Bears 2023 thread V

[fleet]

Wow. Best bears news in month. Love to see Warren leading.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/11/22/bears-eberflus-poles-hot/

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

Wll there's how a GM feels and what he says to the media, often very different. So who knows.

If I were Kevin Warren, I don’t need to see the full throaty version of confidence in the “grown man” Eberflus. Rather, the obligatory mealy mouthed version would be preferable to see. Sure, Poles might be telling Warren behind the scenes that Eberflus is out. But short of that, Poles reminds Warren that his judgment is questionable on coaching hires and quarterbacks hires. And Poles might be stubborn. But who knows. I’m for giving Poles the 3 years he asked for. The problem with that is, that the Bears just might be starting over with the 2 most important pieces of the puzzle at exactly the 3 years mark.

[dice]

Wow. Best bears news in month. Love to see Warren leading.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/11/22/bears-eberflus-poles-hot/

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

both things that literally every GM would say

i think that winning the detroit game could have been the springboard to another season for flus. might have to go 4-2 the rest of the way to keep his job

anybody know the length of poles's contract?

[Chi town]

Wow. Best bears news in month. Love to see Warren leading.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/11/22/bears-eberflus-poles-hot/

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

Yep. Exactly. Can them both!

Get Harbaugh and an experienced GM.

[kyrv]

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

Wll there's how a GM feels and what he says to the media, often very different. So who knows.

If I were Kevin Warren, I don’t need to see the full throaty version of confidence in the “grown man” Eberflus. Rather, the obligatory mealy mouthed version would be preferable to see. Sure, Poles might be telling Warren behind the scenes that Eberflus is out. But short of that, Poles reminds Warren that his judgment is questionable on coaching hires and quarterbacks hires. And Poles might be stubborn. But who knows. I’m for giving Poles the 3 years he asked for. The problem with that is, that the Bears just might be starting over with the 2 most important pieces of the puzzle at exactly the 3 years mark.

I don't want Poles making the decisions this crucial off-season, just saying, I wouldn't read too much into much Poles says at this point.

[Dresden]

https://youtu.be/PvxopAUHDVM?si=U-NfykExs3HcPQzw

Wow. That 2nd base throw. JT says Stroud plays with better than anticipation that any QB he has seen enter the league.

Tough to see any quarterback from either of these 2 drafts being better than Stroud. We may have already missed the boat yet again on the elite franchise quarterback for the taking. The Bears are so good at this. And there’s always *reasons and circumstances* for us to avoid the quarterback because we have more important and smarter things to do.

I understand they wanted to see Fields play one more season to evaluate him. So there are no excuses this time around. Draft Field's replacement and see if you can bag a 2nd rounder for him. Take Drake Maye #1 and if Harrison is gone before our own pick trade down and still get a top receiver like Rome Odunze.

Yep, I think Poles played his cards on this one to perfection. We got to make sure on Fields, we got a #1 WR out of the deal, plus a few other pretty decent picks, we got a solid RT, AND we'll wind up with the #1 overall pick this year, in which there are 2 outstanding QB prospects to chose from. That move alone should almost guarantee Poles another year.

[Dresden]

https://youtu.be/PvxopAUHDVM?si=U-NfykExs3HcPQzw

Wow. That 2nd base throw. JT says Stroud plays with better than anticipation that any QB he has seen enter the league.

Tough to see any quarterback from either of these 2 drafts being better than Stroud. We may have already missed the boat yet again on the elite franchise quarterback for the taking. The Bears are so good at this. And there’s always *reasons and circumstances* for us to avoid the quarterback because we have more important and smarter things to do.

CW def has the talent.
I think Nix could lead a chain moving low mistake offense too.

The Bears would be so fun right now if we had Stroud. That kid is already top 5 QB. So fun to watch.

Yeah, but don't forget, we would have no DJ Moore for him to throw to, and no Darnell Wright to help protect him.

[Chi town]

Tough to see any quarterback from either of these 2 drafts being better than Stroud. We may have already missed the boat yet again on the elite franchise quarterback for the taking. The Bears are so good at this. And there’s always *reasons and circumstances* for us to avoid the quarterback because we have more important and smarter things to do.

I understand they wanted to see Fields play one more season to evaluate him. So there are no excuses this time around. Draft Field's replacement and see if you can bag a 2nd rounder for him. Take Drake Maye #1 and if Harrison is gone before our own pick trade down and still get a top receiver like Rome Odunze.

Yep, I think Poles played his cards on this one to perfection. We got to make sure on Fields, we got a #1 WR out of the deal, plus a few other pretty decent picks, we got a solid RT, AND we'll wind up with the #1 overall pick this year, in which there are 2 outstanding QB prospects to chose from. That move alone should almost guarantee Poles another year.

Poles stays at 1 and takes Stroud…

Bears would have a winning record right now.

[Dresden]

Wow. Best bears news in month. Love to see Warren leading.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/11/22/bears-eberflus-poles-hot/

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

I don't find that so surprising. If you're talking about the #1 overall pick, I would want the GM to be "blown away" by whomever they decide to use that pick on.

[Dresden]

I understand they wanted to see Fields play one more season to evaluate him. So there are no excuses this time around. Draft Field's replacement and see if you can bag a 2nd rounder for him. Take Drake Maye #1 and if Harrison is gone before our own pick trade down and still get a top receiver like Rome Odunze.

Yep, I think Poles played his cards on this one to perfection. We got to make sure on Fields, we got a #1 WR out of the deal, plus a few other pretty decent picks, we got a solid RT, AND we'll wind up with the #1 overall pick this year, in which there are 2 outstanding QB prospects to chose from. That move alone should almost guarantee Poles another year.

Poles stays at 1 and takes Stroud…

Bears would have a winning record right now.

And what if he took Bryce Young instead, as probably at least half, in not more, GM's would have? We would be weeping bitter tears for the next 5 years. At least now, we get another shot at it. Really, hardly anyone was "blown away" by either Young or Stroud last year. Stroud's success was just one of those things no one saw coming, much like Mahomes'. I can't blame a GM for not seeing what practically no one saw coming.

[Jeffster81]

I understand they wanted to see Fields play one more season to evaluate him. So there are no excuses this time around. Draft Field's replacement and see if you can bag a 2nd rounder for him. Take Drake Maye #1 and if Harrison is gone before our own pick trade down and still get a top receiver like Rome Odunze.

Yep, I think Poles played his cards on this one to perfection. We got to make sure on Fields, we got a #1 WR out of the deal, plus a few other pretty decent picks, we got a solid RT, AND we'll wind up with the #1 overall pick this year, in which there are 2 outstanding QB prospects to chose from. That move alone should almost guarantee Poles another year.

Poles stays at 1 and takes Stroud…

Bears would have a winning record right now.

No they would not. Stroud would be sitting behing some Andy Dalton like veteran QB.

Just a reminder about Stroud, every here should remember that once upon a time RGIII and Carson Wentz were hot stuff and in the case of Wentz, an MVP contender. Yes, Stroud is playing great for Houston, is this merely a good streak for him or is this something to expect from Stroud on a yearly basis? I am going to wait until he finishes his second year before I recognize the Bears missing on him.

[Almost Retired]

Wow. Best bears news in month. Love to see Warren leading.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/11/22/bears-eberflus-poles-hot/

I wonder if Warren’s eyebrows raised like mine, when Ian Rapoport reported that the Bears (Poles) would have to be “Blown away” (again) to take a quarterback with their top pick. Poles is saying this again in the same language, literally at a moment while Stroud is terrorizing the countryside.

We can also wonder if Warren raised his eyebrows when his GM gave the dreaded vote of confidence to the head coach that Poles hired who seems out of his depth as a head coach.

Yep. Exactly. Can them both!

Get Harbaugh and an experienced GM.

I agree on Harbaugh. I think the timing is aligned right now with the Michigan controversy. The University and Harbaugh may both think it's time for him to move on. And what better place to resume his NFL coaching career than his former team?

As for Poles I do not agree. No GM hits on every move. But when Poles makes a mistake , like Claypool, he deals with it. He had every reason to want to give Fields a full year to prove himself. QB is probably the hardest thing to do in professional sports. Every QB taken in the draft is a crap shoot, either due to good players going to awful teams, the player not fulfilling his potential, or unfortunate injury. For every Patrick Mahomes there are 7 Ryan Leafs. It's easy to look backwards with our 20/20 vision and say he should have taken Stroud. Considering what Poles inherited from Pace after the disastrous Trubisky draft and the Mack trade I think Poles has done an admirable job overall. We had a lot of holes to fill. Still do. But for that #1 pick last year we got DJ Moore (our best receiver still in his prime), a lower first that became Darnell Wright (a solid starter for years to come), this year's #1 pick, and second round picks in 2023 and 2025. His picks last year:
Darnell Wright - Solid starter from Day 1
Gervon Dexter - Solid contributor, maybe 2nd best interior defensive lineman in the draft so far behind Jalen Carter
Tyrique Stevenson - Solid starter from Day 1
Zacch Pickens - Contributor. Could still develop into something more
Roschonn Johnson - A beast. He will eventually be our #1 RB
Tyler Scott - Has potential. Needs to keep running on his routes. Might get better with experience
Noah Sewell - Already a contributor as back up LB and in special teams
Terell Smith - Made the final roster, a work in progress
Travis Bell - Falcons signed him off our practice squad. (In retrospect I wish we had kept him and dumped Velus Jones)
That's not a bad track record at all.

Best case scenario is that we can pry Harbaugh away and that he and Poles can develop a relationship to help bring the Bears back into the Playoff picture. Harbaugh has been a winner at every level, with every team he has ever coached. Give him some input into personnel moves, especially our ultimate QB decision. And let him turn this franchise back around.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I understand they wanted to see Fields play one more season to evaluate him. So there are no excuses this time around. Draft Field's replacement and see if you can bag a 2nd rounder for him. Take Drake Maye #1 and if Harrison is gone before our own pick trade down and still get a top receiver like Rome Odunze.

Yep, I think Poles played his cards on this one to perfection. We got to make sure on Fields, we got a #1 WR out of the deal, plus a few other pretty decent picks, we got a solid RT, AND we'll wind up with the #1 overall pick this year, in which there are 2 outstanding QB prospects to chose from. That move alone should almost guarantee Poles another year.

Poles stays at 1 and takes Stroud…

Bears would have a winning record right now.

Nobody expected this out of Stroud. So easy to say in hindsight.

[fleet]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

[Dresden]

Looks like we don't have to worry about the Packers in terms of getting ahead of us in the draft order.

[Jeffster81]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love sucks. Packers will be moving on after the season. Now if you are being sarcastic, then I apologize.

[Chi town]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

Then we are in agreement.

[Almost Retired]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Poles is between a rock and a hard place. If he continues on with Fields and he never corrects his weaknesses...he'll get criticized. If trades him and he fulfills his potential elsewhere he'll be crucified. We are unlikely to pick this high again. And if we do then Poles will be gone by then.

There are so many directions we could go. If we take Harrison #1 then Arizona might trade down from #2. Then the 2nd and 3rd picks might take Caleb and Maye off the Board. Then we would probably trade down from #4. Pick up more draft capital and still be in a position to get Nix or McCarthy, a LT, or an elite Edge.

Or we could grab one of the top rated QBs with the #1 pick and trade down from our pick and get a very good receiver like Nabors or Odunze (my preference) plus additional picks. This is probably the safest route to take.

But putting the horse before the cart Poles has got to address the coaching situation first and foremost. I hope Harbaugh makes the jump. Then let him and Poles figure out the QB situation and the Draft. Harbaugh knows what he needs to win. He's done it before. Several times.