Official 2023 Wizards OFFSEASON Thread

[Kanyewest]

In fact, we can't discuss the deal as if it was something entirely separate from the Beal trade.

Did we acquire Chris Paul with the intention of keeping him? Obviously not.
Hence, Will already knew what he was going to do with CP3 before we signed on to do the Phoenix deal. GMs talk to each other many times a weeks -- especially at that time of the year! 10 or 20 deals get proposed for every deal that gets done.

In short, Will knew exactly what he was doing.

Nor do I think he did a bad job -- no, he did an outstanding job! -- given the constraints handed to him! -- He got a lot of stuff plus a player he could move for a fair amount more stuff. That was excellent work.

Brad held all the cards. & taking a chance on Jordan Poole was a good idea. Poole's '21-22 season was quite good. If he were putting up the scoring numbers he did in '21-22, no one here would be talking about his attitude or his defense.

But, he isn't doing that! So we're frustrated. Meanwhile, it might be a good idea to keep in mind that we are in the first few months of a multi-year rebuild. We are supposed to be terrible.

Sorry PIF...But I dont follow.
1) Beal had a NTC and a huge contract. The list of hurdles/restraints are obvious, but he wanted to go to PHX and we made that happen by getting CP3 and picks.
2) Then, Dawkins had to find a third team that wanted CP3 for some positive asset. Given his ability, age, and contract... Most ANY contender would want CP3.

This means 1 of 2 things is true. 1) CP3 had no market and GSW was the ONLY team willing to trade for him. Not only is that HIGHLY unlikely, but you could argue we would have been better just waiving him. 2) A few teams were interested in CP3, but Dawkins felt as though Poole was the best asset. This is far more concerning as it's clear that Poole doesn't play winning basketball. If you are trying to re-build a culture, then focus on Deni, Kispert, Davis, Bilal, etc. Young Guys that play the right way.

So are you asserting that Dawkins didnt have other offers for CP3, or are you saying that Poole and Co is a better package than what other PG needy teams could have offered? I.e. NOP, Miami, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC, etc.

The value for CP3 was quite low. Just a few days before the eventual Beal trade, there were reports that the Suns were going to Waive CP3.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/report-phoenix-suns-waive-chris-paul

BTW Poole may not play the right way although he is younger than Kispert.

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...Then, Dawkins had to find a third team that wanted CP3 for some positive asset. Given his ability, age, and contract... Most ANY contender would want CP3....

Except for the first word -- "Then..." -- I agree entirely.

...1 of 2 things is true. 1) CP3 had no market and GSW was the ONLY team willing to trade for him. Not only is that HIGHLY unlikely, but you could argue we would have been better just waiving him. 2) A few teams were interested in CP3, but Dawkins felt as though Poole was the best asset. This is far more concerning as it's clear that Poole doesn't play winning basketball.....

There was plenty to make one interested in acquiring Jordan Poole. H#ll -- just go back to comments on this Board when we acquired him! A whole lot of excitement & positivity. He was going to lead the league in scoring, etc....

He has played really badly so far. But... 1) he's young, 2) he had a very good season in '21-22, 3) he's obviously talented.

...So are you asserting that Dawkins didnt have other offers for CP3, or are you saying that Poole and Co is a better package than what other PG needy teams could have offered? I.e. NOP, Miami, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC, etc.

We have zero idea what anyone but GS was willing to give for the 38-year-old CP3's $30m expiring contract. I don't. You don't.

...If you are trying to re-build a culture, then focus on Deni, Kispert, Davis, Bilal, etc. Young Guys that play the right way.

We ARE focusing on those guys.

Once again: the acquisition of Jordan Poole was NOT a separate move from trading Bradley Beal. Think of the whole shooting match as what we got for Brad plus the #57 pick in the '23 draft.

Which is: all the picks & pick swaps from Phoenix, plus Poole, Shamet, Rollins, Baldwin, & both a r2 pick & protected R1 pick from Golden State.

It looks like GS hit paydirt with that #57 pick, but that's irrelevant to the trade. TJ-D might have been gone, & anyway no one values the #57 pick much at all. Especially in a 58-pick draft!

Assuming that in essence giving the #57 got Baldwin, I would have done that trade all day long! Even if I valued TJ-D a lot! You're rolling the dice on 2 picks....