Celts Can't Pull a Rabbit Out of Their Hat! Loss vs ORL 11/24

[Deivork]

This was an ugly loss but I don't care so much about the loss column (we'll have a very good record regardless) and I even think it could be a good thing.

How? Well this one loss was very revealing and the sooner the team learns this the better. Circumstances matter of course, but the team showed a clear inability to adapt and most of all it clearly showed our lack of leadership.

Oh yeah like hell it did. The team got exposed for its lack of leadership and this can't be stressed enough because it's extremely important in the long run. Tell me who's the Celtics vocal leader? No one? Horford maybe? The team got rid of the ones we had (Smart and Grant) but now someone has to do it. Most of our guys are timid personalities.

Neither Jayson, Jaylen nor Joe have proved to be the leader we need in games like this.

Today's debacle is just a revelation of a big attitude problem that has been lingering with us for years. Of course the top teams won't win every game but you've got to at least show some fight and pride. The Celtics today showed none of that.

When we got down in the 3rd quarter there was no reaction until the end whatsoever. None at all in like 15 minutes of game time. No picks, no cuts, lazy passing and individual offense. It was frankly shameful to watch. They know better, they were just not set up to do it.

Joe's lack of resourcefulness was exposed again today. He had no counter. Players didn't believe in him even if he tried (that I don't know). No player stepped up, no one talked to each other. Really don't you see that Joe? Brad? It's worrysome.

The 4th quarter's spectacle was pathetic. It would be very hard to see this in Europe on a professional level. Hell even high-school teams are taught to counter with pride, even if they're losing by 20. I'm not kidding or exaggerating if you're familiar with European basketball. Regular season being a washed up product and all that you want, but come the fck on, show some attitude.

Either this changes or this team won't win a championship. It's not supposed to be easy. All teams need leaders, vocal leaders and energy guys, we got none of that today. Hope it changes.

End of rant. Go Cs.

we have lost to them 4 times in a row i think someone said... so, our vocal leaders in smart and grant didn't help in those other 3 games?

Guess not. I guess it's clear it's also not one single problem with the Cs, imo.

[tfmiii]

At least Banton is active, quick, brings energy all over the court

Is he the solution? No, but that type of play is needed badly

[zoyathedestroya]

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[tfmiii]

Would have loved Joe doing what he did against Philly in the 2nd quarter of the last game vs them, bring some energy off the bench rather than ride a sick Tatum, gimpy Brown, injured White...

[Deivork]

This was an ugly loss but I don't care so much about the loss column (we'll have a very good record regardless) and I even think it could be a good thing.

How? Well this one loss was very revealing and the sooner the team learns this the better. Circumstances matter of course, but the team showed a clear inability to adapt and most of all it clearly showed our lack of leadership.

Oh yeah like hell it did. The team got exposed for its lack of leadership and this can't be stressed enough because it's extremely important in the long run. Tell me who's the Celtics vocal leader? No one? Horford maybe? The team got rid of the ones we had (Smart and Grant) but now someone has to do it. Most of our guys are timid personalities.

Neither Jayson, Jaylen nor Joe have proved to be the leader we need in games like this.

Today's debacle is a big revelation of the attitude problem that has been lingering with us for years. Of course the top teams won't win every game but you've got to at least show some fight and pride. The Celtics today showed none of that.

When we got down in the 3rd quarter there was no reaction until the end whatsoever. None at all in like 15 minutes of game time. No picks, no cuts, lazy passing and individual offense. It was frankly shameful to watch. They know better, they were just not set up to do it.

Joe's lack of resourcefulness was exposed again today. He had no counter. Players didn't believe in him even if he tried (that I don't know). No player stepped up, no one talked to each other. Really don't you see that Joe? Brad? It's worrysome.

The 4th quarter's spectacle was pathetic. It would be very rare to see this in Europe on a professional level. Hell even high-school teams are taught to counter with pride, even if they're losing by 20. I'm not kidding or exaggerating if you're familiar with European basketball. Regular season being a washed up product and all that you want, but come the fck on, show some attitude.

Either this changes or this team won't win a championship. It's not supposed to be easy. All teams need leaders, vocal leaders and energy guys, we got none of that today. Hope it changes.

End of rant. Go Cs.

PS: Btw, awesome thread title Bisme

Nah! I’m fine we got rid of Smart!!!!
Fake leader! You lead by example, and Smart is an awful one. Tatum and Joe should be the leader on this team in order for them to be successful. Until Tatum and Brown learns to prioritize winning at all cost, than getting their stats, this team won’t win it all, or struggle to win if shooting is off on the Jays.

I'm fine with Smart criticisms. I'm just saying we lack leadership. Thought it was clear.

[tfmiii]

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And you know if we'd kept him and he played like he did today, he'd foul out in one quarter lol

[VeryMuchWoke]

Non-Celtics fans see it. It's a problem. Even after we've gotten rid of the scapegoat Smart.

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Everybody sees it except Joe Mazulla, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, etc.

[Darthlukey]

Magic still have our number by the looks of things

[PierceFan4ever]

Non-Celtics fans see it. It's a problem. Even after we've gotten rid of the scapegoat Smart.

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Would it be too hard for Tatum to be this fast in the post often? Like every damn time Tatum gets the ball in the post, he gathers the ball, takes a deep breath, backs his defender down 2-3 times and by then the double gets there or he forces up a shot attempt late. Like **** get the ball like you did right here and go straight into it if you see single coverage.

[CelticsPride18]

I expected the loss, but I get so frustrated with Tatum. The Top 5 leap it’s not looking likely for this season and that means no ring for the Celtics. We can change everything around him, but the biggest thing we need is him being top 5.

[Deivork]

This was an ugly loss but I don't care so much about the loss column (we'll have a very good record regardless) and I even think it could be a good thing.

How? Well this one loss was very revealing and the sooner the team learns this the better. Circumstances matter of course, but the team showed a clear inability to adapt and most of all it clearly showed our lack of leadership.

Oh yeah like hell it did. The team got exposed for its lack of leadership and this can't be stressed enough because it's extremely important in the long run. Tell me who's the Celtics vocal leader? No one? Horford maybe? The team got rid of the ones we had (Smart and Grant) but now someone has to do it. Most of our guys are timid personalities.

Neither Jayson, Jaylen nor Joe have proved to be the leader we need in games like this.

Today's debacle is just a revelation of a big attitude problem that has been lingering with us for years. Of course the top teams won't win every game but you've got to at least show some fight and pride. The Celtics today showed none of that.

When we got down in the 3rd quarter there was no reaction until the end whatsoever. None at all in like 15 minutes of game time. No picks, no cuts, lazy passing and individual offense. It was frankly shameful to watch. They know better, they were just not set up to do it.

Joe's lack of resourcefulness was exposed again today. He had no counter. Players didn't believe in him even if he tried (that I don't know). No player stepped up, no one talked to each other. Really don't you see that Joe? Brad? It's worrysome.

The 4th quarter's spectacle was pathetic. It would be very rare to see this in Europe on a professional level. Hell even high-school teams are taught to counter with pride, even if they're losing by 20. I'm not kidding or exaggerating if you're familiar with European basketball. Regular season being a washed up product and all that you want, but come the fck on, show some attitude.

Either this changes or this team won't win a championship. It's not supposed to be easy. All teams need leaders, vocal leaders and energy guys, we got none of that today. Hope it changes.

End of rant. Go Cs.

But, like.. This is all stuff we knew already. They've been getting exposed on this over and over again for years. Nothing changes. The closest they came was under Ime, but even then they shrunk against the GSW.

I mean, fair point, but I don't believe nothing changes. Some things have been changing (Danny, Jrue, KP) and some more should change. You can argue whether Smart or Grant's vocal leadership was good or not, but I'd say at least it was something. As someone said, these traits have been with the team since Brad was coaching and now we we don't have either of them (among other changes) and not only we lose and do nothing, but we also show no semblance of pride or leadership. That was my point.

[BK_2020]

This is a team that just beat the NBA champs so I'd say losing to them doesn't necessarily mean you can't win a ring.

[Green89]

This is a team that just beat the NBA champs so I'd say losing to them doesn't necessarily mean you can't win a ring.

But it means the sky is falling.

[reload141]

This is a team that just beat the NBA champs so I'd say losing to them doesn't necessarily mean you can't win a ring.

But it means the sky is falling.

It’s already fallen.

Time to blow it up and trade everyone.

[fallguy]

Orlando's size/physicality will always be a problem for Tatum.

But Jaylen. Wow. That was disastrous. He remains one of the dumbest 'great' players I've ever seen in green. He's going to sabotage us in the playoffs if we don't get this sorted out during the year.

[Shak_Celts]

this is a game I think queta would have done well in as far as being an energy guy like brissy was supposed to be. d would have been as mediocre as korny's last stint but i think he could have been a bigger threat on the roll and rebounding. it's not that korny being bad on the boards it's that his body isn't equipped to out-hustle or muscle for them, needed some of that when orlando came for our necks in the 3rd but especially the 4th when we had no kp.

again, I was fine with what korny gave given he's a 3rd big with speed limitations which we knew before the game. it came to bite us when kp went down but that wasn't his fault, he is what he is. just think could have given us a different pep when they started going at korny and then snatching the boards (where was al???).

[fallguy]

The thing with Joe, as someone mentioned, is there are rarely any countermoves of any value, especially with respect to play calls. Things get going the wrong way and he doesn't have much in his bag. Not much creativity there at all.

[GoCeltics123]

JT has had like one good game in his last six

And he's still been better than Jaylen which blows.

This team without KP plays like a play-in team

[GoCeltics123]

This is a team that just beat the NBA champs so I'd say losing to them doesn't necessarily mean you can't win a ring.

But it means the sky is falling.

It’s already fallen.

Time to blow it up and trade everyone.

Tatum and KP for Mo Wagner seems fair

[Shak_Celts]

missed jrue.