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Re: PG Celtics - Bucks Fall 

Post#201 » by Neuromancer56 » Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:46 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
Neuromancer56 wrote:Was the reason Giannis tried all the layups instead of dunks was that the Celtics had a guy in position, and would have drawn an offensive foul if he tried to dunk it? Because Giannis couldn't hit a layup to save his life against the Celtics. They weren't even close.


The Celtics employ two strategies (mostly spearheaded by Horford and things Stevens always taught even at the college level):
- When Giannis gets close to the rim, put one arm straight up but do an arm bar shoved into his hip with the other arm to push him slightly off his trajectory
- when Giannis (or anyone) gets the ball near the hoop, slap down on the hand/wrist as hard as you can
Both of these are dare the officials to call it moves and betting the officials won’t call that many fouls to completely slow down the game. Sprinkle in home court advantage and the reputation of being “tough” on defense and you can steal a bunch of no calls that other teams don’t get and cause some misses on normally made baskets around the rim.

Ahh yes, I looked for it, and the first Bucks drive to the hoop I saw was White actually do both against Bobby causing him to miss a layup that he usually makes. No wonder why we had such a hard time scoring inside.
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Re: PG Celtics - Bucks Fall 

Post#202 » by mattg » Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:00 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
mattg wrote:
MissKhriddleton wrote:This game should be setting off alarms. Don’t care if it’s November and lol at we only lost by 3.

We were out of sorts the whole time. Boston is still the big bad boogeyman to Giannis and everyone but Dame. And unfortunately Giannis thinks the only solution is to take it all upon himself.

The defense is awful.

Khris is absolutely cooked, don’t care what his TS% is or per 36 is. He’s done. JB and JT can take him off the dribble whenever they want. Not a chance he lasts the whole season.

AG refuses to play AJJ and this is with Crowder out of the rotation. Dude won’t sniff the court when he comes back.

This is not totally unsalvagable but yikes.

Yeah, there is no moral victory here, Boston was clowning us and then got lackadaisical in a blowout. There are not positives to take away. We straight up are unable to string together good possessions vs good teams. Forget about multiple stops in a row, we have a singular good offensive possession and then the next time down take a dumb shot. We are nowhere even remotely close to being a contender right now. Nowhere close. The defense is dumb and if we are using Giannis on the perimeter then he's just another guy on that end, nothing special and that used to be our biggest weapon.

Khris is done as a high impact guy, he'll have his moments sure, but he's so limited now. He can't play big minutes. He never could in the past, his production has always been pretty much the same once he hits around 30 minutes, he doesn't scale up in production if we ramp him towards 36 mins. Only now he's not even capable of 30 minutes consistently or maybe ever.

The big issue is that we can't figure out how to utilize Dame/Giannis in an additive way offensively, that's utterly pathetic and Dumb Griffin is not the guy to solve that. He's worried about trying to tell Giannis he needs to sit on the bench when Giannis is taking a dump on the court doing nothing positive and this Dame/Giannis issue is a Giannis specific problem. You can't fix stupid and we have a stupid coach, and stupid Giannis problem.



We attempted 10 more layups than the opposition, those were usually attempted by the best rim finisher in the game, missed them all, so we don't know how to run offense?

Giannis was off kilter, possibly because he was dealing with a virus, and suddenly were trash? Nah.

Yeah, I feel like you didn't watch the game or you do watch but just don't understand what your eyes are seeing. We were never even competitive. Celtics had a double digit lead literally the entire game save for 1 possession at the beginning of the 3rd where we cut it to 9 before they promptly poured it back on us, and then our desperation gasp with under 2 minutes to play. We were toyed with for like 45 of 48 minutes basically.

As far as the layups go, a good chunk of those by Giannis were out of control, forced, off balance, and heavily contested. Sure he usually will make a few more, but him making 2-3 more of those layups is still bad offense. We can't play this stupid hypothetical what if game of "well Giannis normally makes thsoe and if he makes even 2 more we win" because Boston plays the game differently if it's closer and they aren't just boat racing us off the court, we don't jsut get to add 4 points to our total and be like ta-da. It's not translatable vs good teams, which we have seen repeatedly for years. Is what it is. Giannis was allegedly sick (which we find out after the fact when he has an absurdly atrocious game so it comes across as a lame excuse), but guess what, Tatum was sick too and was questionable to even play as well. I know you have this weird idea that we are some great offensive team now because we beat up on scrub teams that play zero defense for a handful of games, but nothing that we do translates vs good teams. We are totally out of sorts and can't even string together a single strong quarter of consistency vs good competition on either end of the floor.

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