Celts Can't Pull a Rabbit Out of Their Hat! Loss vs ORL 11/24

[Red2]

I’ve been trying to figure out what Brad sees in Joe and why he made him the head coach in the first place. The only thing I can figure is that Brad loved the 3 point shot and Joe loves it as well. I really truly believe that Joe is the wrong guy to coach this team. But Brad apparently thinks he’s the right guy so we’re stuck with him. It will take a first round exit or maybe a second round exit to get him fired. In the meantime we;’re going to waste another year of our “window” watching Joe lose games that we should win. I’m not saying today was one of those; when you lose by 17 there’s more than bad coaching going on but his unwillingness to call a timeout and his unwillingness to use more guys on his bench when your starters are out of don’t have it is infuriating

[AaronB]

Magic fan here I come in peace.

Just want to say about the floor (not how it looked) and the Porzingas injury, but Paolo was asked about the "in tournament" floor in Orlando and he said it was the best one that they have played on in terms of feeling like a basketball floor and not being too slippery or too sticky.

[zoyathedestroya]

I’ve been trying to figure out what Brad sees in Joe and why he made him the head coach in the first place. The only thing I can figure is that Brad loved the 3 point shot and Joe loves it as well. I really truly believe that Joe is the wrong guy to coach this team. But Brad apparently thinks he’s the right guy so we’re stuck with him. It will take a first round exit or maybe a second round exit to get him fired. In the meantime we;’re going to waste another year of our “window” watching Joe lose games that we should win. I’m not saying today was one of those; when you lose by 17 there’s more than bad coaching going on but his unwillingness to call a timeout and his unwillingness to use more guys on his bench when your starters are out of don’t have it is infuriating

I have no issue hiring him as interim considering the circumstances during that time. Easier transition for everyone eve of training camp if you're getting someone in-house as temporary replacement. I think the mistake was extending him even before the season ended.

[zoyathedestroya]

Magic fan here I come in peace.

Just want to say about the floor (not how it looked) and the Porzingas injury, but Paolo was asked about the "in tournament" floor in Orlando and he said it was the best one that they have played on in terms of feeling like a basketball floor and not being too slippery or too sticky.

KP didn't get injured because of the floor. Your court is one of the more pleasant ones to look at in this IST.

[return2glory]

We go outscored 65-40 in the 2nd half.

We got outrebounded 48-31.

Brown was flat out awful after having a good 1st quarter.

Al was bad and so was coached Joe.

Kornet was the only one that played well. White was solid.

[return2glory]

Orlando’s physicality bothered the Celtics once again. On to the next one.

We are a soft team. We were last year too. Are only tough players are Jrue and Stevens. Jrue was out and Stevens never gets a chance to play.

[return2glory]

This is what we look like without Jrue and KP.

[zoyathedestroya]

I think he's good at prepping for games/for the season. And I don't doubt that he puts in the work. But I don't trust him as much as an in-game manager due to his stubbornness or seeming lack of flexibility. I felt Stevens was good at both, just not that adept at handling personalities/egos on top of not having this much talent on his roster (outside of 2018-19).

Yup.

And one problematic thing compounds another. If Joe basically says to his guys "you figure it out" - which is a HUGE part of his in-game coaching philosophy (or cover for the fact that he can't adjust on the fly) then we're in trouble with JB being one of the prime decision-makers.

fallguy and zoya are on to something.

Same complaints we've been hearing during final years of Stevens as coach. Lack of offensive creativity/real gameplan? Players not listening/following through with the plan or not being held accountable? Either way, it's not leading to good offense. We're 26th in offensive efficiency last 5 games. And I don't think it's just because we're missing threes.

[return2glory]

Read on Twitter

I was happy when we got him. Confused why we gave up on him so fast.

He was really good in college and solid in limited minutes before we got him. He played well last season and is having a stronger season so far this year. He is one of the best scorers off the bench in the entire league, averaging 12 points a game in only 19 minutes. That was prior to today's game.

[return2glory]

JT has had like one good game in his last six

And he's still been better than Jaylen which blows.

This team without KP plays like a play-in team

You forgot about Jrue. With KP and Jrue, this team is like a 8th seed or play-in-team like you mentioned. Some people don't get it when I say Tatum and Brown are overrated.

[BK_2020]

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I was happy when we got him. Confused why we gave up on him so fast.

He was really good in college and solid in limited minutes before we got him. He played well last season and is having a stronger season so far this year. He is one of the best scorers off the bench in the entire league, averaging 12 points a game in only 19 minutes. That was prior to today's game.

Two other teams gave up on him before us so it maybe that Wagner just took longer to develop.

[return2glory]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

Do not do this. Mo **** sucked here

He was only here for 9 games, in which he averaged 7 minutes a game. Yes he was bad here, but that was a total of about 60 minutes. That's equivalent to about 2 games for someone that starts.

[Triple7]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

Do not do this. Mo **** sucked here

He was only here for 9 games, in which he averaged 7 minutes a game. Yes he was bad here, but that was a total of about 60 minutes. That's equivalent on about 2 games for someone that starts.

I agree. You can never have any form of rhythm not having consistent mins.

[Triple7]

Orlando’s physicality bothered the Celtics once again. On to the next one.

We are a soft team. We were last year too. Are only tough players are Jrue and Stevens. Jrue was out and Stevens never gets a chance to play.

I agre with this one as well. We are a soft team, and lazy af at times. Not willing to grind it out, looking for the home run 3. When our shot ain’t falling, we usually lose, even against lesser teams. I think Joe is the problem here. Guys like Jrue and White usually takes it inside a lot, and now, they chuck the 3, the moment it’s there, even early in the shot clock. Horford gets the ball inside, and immediately passes it out. We need a big desperately. Kornet just won’t cut it if KP sits out. We don’t have any post up presence. Also, i’m getting sick of watching our guys constantly chuck 3’s. The magic team mixes it up with mid ranges and constantly trying to attack the rim.

[Green89]

I’ve been trying to figure out what Brad sees in Joe and why he made him the head coach in the first place. The only thing I can figure is that Brad loved the 3 point shot and Joe loves it as well. I really truly believe that Joe is the wrong guy to coach this team. But Brad apparently thinks he’s the right guy so we’re stuck with him. It will take a first round exit or maybe a second round exit to get him fired. In the meantime we;’re going to waste another year of our “window” watching Joe lose games that we should win. I’m not saying today was one of those; when you lose by 17 there’s more than bad coaching going on but his unwillingness to call a timeout and his unwillingness to use more guys on his bench when your starters are out of don’t have it is infuriating

I have no issue hiring him as interim considering the circumstances during that time. Easier transition for everyone eve of training camp if you're getting someone in-house as temporary replacement. I think the mistake was extending him even before the season ended.

Coaching for a franchise that is desperate to win now and says they are all in, should have gone with a "best available" scenario. There is no way Joe was the best available for this job. You hire the best and make it work. We seemed to hire a familiar face over expertise and experience.

[Triple7]

The magic team really moves the ball fast, and are truly enjoy playing with each other. No egos. Meanwhile we see Jaylen pump faking inside several times, refusing to pass the ball, and end up getting stripped. Also our best player sleep walking at times, and have games shooting poorly, but still continues to chuck 3’s non stop. 1/11 and still continue to chuck it up haha. If JT is deqd serious on winning, he should find ways to help the team win, than try to get some stats in.

[Fierce1]

On the bright side of this, it exposed a weakness that Brad must address before the playoffs start.

Celts need another big.

Kornet is fine as a gimmick, but asking him to take over for KP just won't work.

The “bright side” is that it confirmed something that everybody knew already?

Us fans knew, but when asked about the big man situation, Joe or Brad, not sure of the two, said they're fine with Kornet as the 3rd big.

That was before the season started.

This game showed Joe and Brad that Kornet is not good enough.

[NYCelticsfan136]

This team is like a running joke. Still see the flaws. Another debacle in the playoffs and what can you do exactly?

[NYCelticsfan136]

I’ve been trying to figure out what Brad sees in Joe and why he made him the head coach in the first place. The only thing I can figure is that Brad loved the 3 point shot and Joe loves it as well. I really truly believe that Joe is the wrong guy to coach this team. But Brad apparently thinks he’s the right guy so we’re stuck with him. It will take a first round exit or maybe a second round exit to get him fired. In the meantime we;’re going to waste another year of our “window” watching Joe lose games that we should win. I’m not saying today was one of those; when you lose by 17 there’s more than bad coaching going on but his unwillingness to call a timeout and his unwillingness to use more guys on his bench when your starters are out of don’t have it is infuriating

I have no issue hiring him as interim considering the circumstances during that time. Easier transition for everyone eve of training camp if you're getting someone in-house as temporary replacement. I think the mistake was extending him even before the season ended.

Coaching for a franchise that is desperate to win now and says they are all in, should have gone with a "best available" scenario. There is no way Joe was the best available for this job. You hire the best and make it work. We seemed to hire a familiar face over expertise and experience.

You can’t convince me that even a guy like Phil Jackson in his prime can lead this team to a title. Too many people are getting obsessed about that. It’s still about the players.

[Fierce1]

Too bad we won't be seeing a potential Celtics vs. Lakers in Vegas.

Lakers are in, Celts most likely out of in-season tourney.