Celts Can't Pull a Rabbit Out of Their Hat! Loss vs ORL 11/24

[BK_2020]

Since people are again claiming that they see no plan or no plays being run, let's look at what really happened that killed us in the 17-0 run.

We start by giving up a wide open three. Jaylen Brown gets caught sleeping and lets Suggs just float out for a wide open three.


Then Porzingis shoots a long three with Bitadze dropping deep. I personally like that shot for KP but he's not been making that or any other kinds of threes in recent games. Wagner drives in semi-transition against Tatum for a fairly tough layup but Franz is very good at that shot. 5-0.

We get Tatum posting up Suggs on the other end. Tatum misses but he'd been shooting 70% off post-ups. Not sure I would say Joe **** up by having Tatum post up Suggs here.

Then on the way back to play defense, Jaylen and Horford get into a mixup about assignments, both of them pointing to the other to cover Franz. Franz ends up with a wide open three. 8-0. Ideally Jaylen would run back and cover Franz so Horford can cover Banchero, but that would've required Jaylen to run a lot.


The Celtics then run a little action where Jaylen sets a pindown for White who curls, then a second screen gets Bitadze switched on Jaylen. This gets them this little scoring opportunity. I don't think I would blame the coach here for us coming up empty.


Now, missing that layup is one thing, but watch how slowly Jaylen jogs back on defene. 10-0.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

JT and KP double screen for White leads to KP diving for a nice short roll opportunity but White's pass is intercepted.
https://staging.streamable.com/cued62

JT take foul going the other way. 11-0 run. We get a stop finally. Jaylen with a nice transition seal on Suggs, gets Banchero to help and passes to Horford for an open three. Brick. But we get another stop. Porzingis starts limping.

Next, a sideout play. Tatum inbounds to Kornet then sets a pindown for White, forcing a switch on Harris, then posts him up. Harris defends it well, however, and Bitadze ends up blocking the shot. We get the ball back with 4 seconds left but because Kornet is a non-shooter, White has to rush the shot.

On defense again. Again involving Jaylen. White and Jaylen somehow Bitadze wideopen under the basket. To those wondering why we don't run a lot of zone, this is why. 13-0
https://staging.streamable.com/xc9uvu

Next, a nice little action with Jaylen and Tatum both setting pindowns on opposite sides. The ball swings back to Jaylen and that allows White to spring free for a layup--except Jaylen doesn't make the pass and airballs a wide open free throw line jumper instead.
https://staging.streamable.com/j9h522

Banchero and Franz 2 man action. Tatum commits hard to doubling Franz and leaves Banchero wide open for a three. 16-0.

What didn't happen was the Celtics just taking turns trying to ISO with everyone standing around with no plan.

[BK_2020]

This is just shameful. He just doesn't care.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

[Fierce1]

After getting called out by fans against Charlotte, JB bounced back and played well against the Bucks.

Now that he's feeling good about himself, he's back to bad habits.

It's true, even the greatest coach can't lead this team to a title because the players just don't get it.

JB is all about the stats.

He should care more about winning.

[NYCelticsfan136]

I see this team had another 3rd quarter debacle. It’s really getting old with this team man. Really old.

[NYCelticsfan136]

After getting called out by fans against Charlotte, JB bounced back and played well against the Bucks.

Now that he's feeling good about himself, he's back to bad habits.

It's true, even the greatest coach can't lead this team to a title because the players just don't get it.

JB is all about the stats.

He should care more about winning.

Not even a prime phil could win a title with this bunch.

[Fierce1]

After getting called out by fans against Charlotte, JB bounced back and played well against the Bucks.

Now that he's feeling good about himself, he's back to bad habits.

It's true, even the greatest coach can't lead this team to a title because the players just don't get it.

JB is all about the stats.

He should care more about winning.

Not even a prime phil could win a title with this bunch.

Yeah, that's true.

It applies to any sport.

Belichick doesn't look so great without Tom Brady.

[SuperDeluxe]

This is just shameful. He just doesn't care.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

His running looks a little odd so something must've happened at the other end.

[BK_2020]

This is just shameful. He just doesn't care.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

His running looks a little odd so something must've happened at the other end.

That's just how he runs whenever he does something embarrassing on the offensive end.
https://staging.streamable.com/i1tkg4

[SuperDeluxe]

This is just shameful. He just doesn't care.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

His running looks a little odd so something must've happened at the other end.

That's just how he runs whenever he does something embarrassing on the offensive end.
https://staging.streamable.com/i1tkg4

There was no need to show me that. What did I do to deserve it?

[CelticsPride18]

Heat choked two big leads this week and lost. **** happens

[BK_2020]

His running looks a little odd so something must've happened at the other end.

That's just how he runs whenever he does something embarrassing on the offensive end.
https://staging.streamable.com/i1tkg4

There was no need to show me that. What did I do to deserve it?

Not directed at anyone in particular.
But perhaps you are right and it is best that we collectively forget this game happened.

[lon3lytoaster]

This team is like a running joke. Still see the flaws. Another debacle in the playoffs and what can you do exactly?

Our first and/or second round opponents will shoot lights out and there will still be people on here waiting for the “BS shooting luck” to end.

[Cuban Pete]

The commonality in this thread is the Cs are at fault for losing this game. Not gonna lie, I'm not surprised by the outcome. Give Orlando credit. They're for real. I should know, I picked them more than once. Won two dollars. When you bet on these games you get to know the NBA. FWIW, I don't recommend it, but I bid small just for the fun of it. The Magic have been a safe pick more than once. They are a great team and are fun to watch. They will get better as they get older. They have a lot of depth at guard and Banchero is making me eat my words. So has Cole Anthony.

[GoCeltics123]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

Do not do this. Mo **** sucked here

Do not do what? Crap on players based on a 60 minute sample while they are trying to learn a new system on the fly after a midseason trade ? There was years of data before (and now after) his Boston stint that showed he was a fringe rotation guy in the NBA. It never made any sense to get rid of him so fast to protect the job of guys that never showed they belonged in the NBA in the first place.

That Laker game you're talking about was a game in which only Tremont Waters played worse than him. Carsen Edwards was actually BETTER than him that game which says a lot.

Then he got absolutely lit up by KP when he was on the Mavs inn the 5 minutes he played when he started. Kornet looked like 10x better than him at the time.

Mo has found a role in Orlando and good for him I guess, but I don't lose any sleep about losing him because he's a dude who's absolutely useless in the playoffs

[GoCeltics123]

JT has had like one good game in his last six

And he's still been better than Jaylen which blows.

This team without KP plays like a play-in team

You forgot about Jrue. With KP and Jrue, this team is like a 8th seed or play-in-team like you mentioned. Some people don't get it when I say Tatum and Brown are overrated.

It's pretty clear that the Jays haven't shown much ability to take over games when the team needs it most this year, at least they haven't done that nearly as much in the last 5 games

[Shak_Celts]

i don't know why we can never try and pull a rabbit out of our hat by playing a random player earlier when things aren't going well. why couldn't we toss banton, svi or lamar out there out of the blue, with the good players? we know what we're getting from brissy because he's always the guy we try in those moments and it only worked one time IIRC. we are so stringent and predictable with what we are going to do, what happened to throwing a curve that he kept saying preseason? banton cant shoot but he can get inside with ease, I wanted to see him a lil. with jrue out and pritch not standing out, someone else needed a look.

You mentioned Queta earlier. Queta is with the G-League club. They won their game vs. Greensboro. Not that Joe would put him in anyway lol.

I know, was only saying he might have been a good option to try on a night like this. we knew who we were facing before he went down, we should have kept him with the big guys. As you said, he likely wasn't getting pt anyway.

[Shak_Celts]

Since people are again claiming that they see no plan or no plays being run, let's look at what really happened that killed us in the 17-0 run.

We start by giving up a wide open three. Jaylen Brown gets caught sleeping and lets Suggs just float out for a wide open three.


Then Porzingis shoots a long three with Bitadze dropping deep. I personally like that shot for KP but he's not been making that or any other kinds of threes in recent games. Wagner drives in semi-transition against Tatum for a fairly tough layup but Franz is very good at that shot. 5-0.

We get Tatum posting up Suggs on the other end. Tatum misses but he'd been shooting 70% off post-ups. Not sure I would say Joe **** up by having Tatum post up Suggs here.

Then on the way back to play defense, Jaylen and Horford get into a mixup about assignments, both of them pointing to the other to cover Franz. Franz ends up with a wide open three. 8-0. Ideally Jaylen would run back and cover Franz so Horford can cover Banchero, but that would've required Jaylen to run a lot.


The Celtics then run a little action where Jaylen sets a pindown for White who curls, then a second screen gets Bitadze switched on Jaylen. This gets them this little scoring opportunity. I don't think I would blame the coach here for us coming up empty.


Now, missing that layup is one thing, but watch how slowly Jaylen jogs back on defene. 10-0.
https://staging.streamable.com/8p3reo

JT and KP double screen for White leads to KP diving for a nice short roll opportunity but White's pass is intercepted.
https://staging.streamable.com/cued62

JT take foul going the other way. 11-0 run. We get a stop finally. Jaylen with a nice transition seal on Suggs, gets Banchero to help and passes to Horford for an open three. Brick. But we get another stop. Porzingis starts limping.

Next, a sideout play. Tatum inbounds to Kornet then sets a pindown for White, forcing a switch on Harris, then posts him up. Harris defends it well, however, and Bitadze ends up blocking the shot. We get the ball back with 4 seconds left but because Kornet is a non-shooter, White has to rush the shot.

On defense again. Again involving Jaylen. White and Jaylen somehow Bitadze wideopen under the basket. To those wondering why we don't run a lot of zone, this is why. 13-0
https://staging.streamable.com/xc9uvu

Next, a nice little action with Jaylen and Tatum both setting pindowns on opposite sides. The ball swings back to Jaylen and that allows White to spring free for a layup--except Jaylen doesn't make the pass and airballs a wide open free throw line jumper instead.
https://staging.streamable.com/j9h522

Banchero and Franz 2 man action. Tatum commits hard to doubling Franz and leaves Banchero wide open for a three. 16-0.

What didn't happen was the Celtics just taking turns trying to ISO with everyone standing around with no plan.

funny how all the videos of trying to show jb screwing up but in all those instances with everyone else doing it no video. even the videos where jb is blamed was white not doing his job on bitadze, he was standing on no one he was supposed to be there (look at al look confused at white), jb had the corner. the other when al was lower, therefore closer to go and take franz as he was running that way anyway but sure, jb could have run past horford and took him instead of thinking horford could. I mean, white could have gone over there as he was at the key with no one in sight... NO ONE... but nope, that would involve not blaming jb.

[return2glory]

On the bright side of this, it exposed a weakness that Brad must address before the playoffs start.

Celts need another big.

Kornet is fine as a gimmick, but asking him to take over for KP just won't work.

The “bright side” is that it confirmed something that everybody knew already?

Us fans knew, but when asked about the big man situation, Joe or Brad, not sure of the two, said they're fine with Kornet as the 3rd big.

That was before the season started.

This game showed Joe and Brad that Kornet is not good enough.

Kornet was probably our best player today. Brown was something like 2-17 from the field after the 1st quarter.
Al was terrible, scoring out 3 points in 33 minutes. We didn't have Jrue and while KP wasn't having a good game, he was kept us in the game before he left the game. Pritchard was ineffective.

Our biggest weakness if our bench. He doesn't have one guy off the bench that can create their own shot. Not one.

[Shak_Celts]

The “bright side” is that it confirmed something that everybody knew already?

Us fans knew, but when asked about the big man situation, Joe or Brad, not sure of the two, said they're fine with Kornet as the 3rd big.

That was before the season started.

This game showed Joe and Brad that Kornet is not good enough.

Kornet was probably our best player today. Brown was something like 2-17 from the field after the 1st quarter.
Al was terrible, scoring out 3 points in 33 minutes. He didn't have Jrue and while KP wasn't having a good game, he was kept us in the game before he left the game. Pritchard was ineffective.

Our biggest weakness if our bench. He doesn't have one guy off the bench that can create their own shot. Not one.

Korny has done fine as our 3rd big, I’m not sure i can think of any 3rd center who’s been much better. He’s the 3rd big, we expect a bunch of flaws, otherwise he would be on another bench as a 2nd big. For who he is he did very well until they exploited his weaknesses. There are quite a few people who did worse than korny tonight, both jays, white (always gets a pass), Al al al, and brissy for sure.

[jirrit]

Joe is a pussy