PG Wizards - Bucks Escape

[fan230]

Bucks need to figure out if defense is a personnel problem or a coaching problem.

100% both. hes trying to coach a defense thats kind of what we did kidds first year and uhhh.... the guys who get all the minutes and we cant trade unless we smoke crack are all older now

Yes both of course. But is it a 50/50 cause or a 80/20 cause? That would determine if we try for Caruso.

I was thinking that it was much more the scheme that is causing this. But then I realized from one of the posts that we not only lost Jrue but we also lost a very good defender in Carter. I still think it is the scheme which is having a bigger effect overall. Any thoughts?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Giannis "should've sat"/Flu-be game is still a 29/7/2/3/1 on great efficiency. He was definitely frustrating to watch but seems to make slow strides. Made some nice passes, no 3s, I didn't see a charge. I could see him ending the season on a five year low for 3s and charges.

His offensive processing on ball has gotten much better. That's great.

He is hardly moving off ball on either offense or defense. I thought he was killing us on defense tonight. He switches up top and then gives up on the rest of the possession. Never tries to switch up again to help the guard who just got crossmatched on a wing/big and when a shot goes up, he is nowhere near a boxout or rebound. Over and over again, the guy he switches off of is scoring or the guy he switches onto is getting an offensive rebound or wide open following an offensive rebound. It's whatever because he was sick and it's the Wizards but he's been doing it all season.

Scheme or not, Giannis has had consistently poor effort and focus on defense. Similarly to offense, it seems like he only has energy when he's on ball and is just floating otherwise.

thats why his on/offs have been crap the last several years compared to what they used to be. you just nailed it

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Bucks need to figure out if defense is a personnel problem or a coaching problem.

100% both. hes trying to coach a defense thats kind of what we did kidds first year and uhhh.... the guys who get all the minutes and we cant trade unless we smoke crack are all older now

Yes both of course. But is it a 50/50 cause or a 80/20 cause? That would determine if we try for Caruso.

I was thinking that it was much more the scheme that is causing this. But then I realized from one of the posts that we not only lost Jrue but we also lost a very good defender in Carter. I still think it is the scheme which is having a bigger effect overall. Any thoughts?

we have multiple defenders that if you run them around out of position go from net neutral to net negative including each and every one of our stars. caruso isnt fxing that unless hes coming in as head coach

[paulpressey25]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of the be both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

People are learning that Bud was pretty smart. He understood the strengths and weaknesses of his players.

There were some plays tonight where the Wizards got offensive rebounds after Brook challenged the first shot. And normally Giannis is there to clean the boards. But he was out on the perimeter.

[fan230]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of that he both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

Bud clearly got the best out of his existing players; much more than kidd and so far ag. But bud was not too good in making in game adjustments.

[fan230]

100% both. hes trying to coach a defense thats kind of what we did kidds first year and uhhh.... the guys who get all the minutes and we cant trade unless we smoke crack are all older now

Yes both of course. But is it a 50/50 cause or a 80/20 cause? That would determine if we try for Caruso.

I was thinking that it was much more the scheme that is causing this. But then I realized from one of the posts that we not only lost Jrue but we also lost a very good defender in Carter. I still think it is the scheme which is having a bigger effect overall. Any thoughts?

we have multiple defenders that if you run them around out of position go from net neutral to net negative including each and every one of our stars. caruso isnt fxing that unless hes coming in as head coach

I agree

[fan230]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of the be both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

People are learning that Bud was pretty smart. He understood the strengths and weaknesses of his players.

There were some plays tonight where the Wizards got offensive rebounds after Brook challenged the first shot. And normally Giannis is there to clean the boards. But he was out on the perimeter.

Great point

[Brewhoopfan]

Giannis "should've sat"/Flu-be game is still a 29/7/2/3/1 on great efficiency. He was definitely frustrating to watch but seems to make slow strides. Made some nice passes, no 3s, I didn't see a charge. I could see him ending the season on a five year low for 3s and charges.

His offensive processing on ball has gotten much better. That's great.

He is hardly moving off ball on either offense or defense. I thought he was killing us on defense tonight. He switches up top and then gives up on the rest of the possession. Never tries to switch up again to help the guard who just got crossmatched on a wing/big and when a shot goes up, he is nowhere near a boxout or rebound. Over and over again, the guy he switches off of is scoring or the guy he switches onto is getting an offensive rebound or wide open following an offensive rebound. It's whatever because he was sick and it's the Wizards but he's been doing it all season.

Scheme or not, Giannis has had consistently poor effort and focus on defense. Similarly to offense, it seems like he only has energy when he's on ball and is just floating otherwise.

+ 100 if I could. Never, ever rotates except to block a shot at the rim. Never has.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of the be both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

People are learning that Bud was pretty smart. He understood the strengths and weaknesses of his players.

There were some plays tonight where the Wizards got offensive rebounds after Brook challenged the first shot. And normally Giannis is there to clean the boards. But he was out on the perimeter.

there was a very good reason for why bud never wanted giannis guarding the best player and always had him on the worst offering help. were watching in slow motion all year what bud figured out watching tape before he ever even got here

[fan230]

Our whole team will get exhausted soon if there is such a lack of defense, such that almost every game we are getting scored on heavily. Need a defensive scheme adjustment. Soon! Maybe the players should talk to ag like they did about Brook and rim protection.

[VooDoo7]

A win is a win, but damn. Praying Middleton will be fine. I wanna see Griff grab the mic one of these times ala Pop and say "we need you lazy motherf*ckers to start making some g-damn noise".

The crowd can tell when they're sleep walking through the game and playing lazy/uninspired basketball.

Tough to get emotionally invested into what we just watched unless you're one of us.

Always some excuse. There's plenty of times to get loud during the game. And sometimes the crowd can get the players going. Even Dame has mentioned how important it is.

[Chad34]

please come back bud, we miss you

[Siefer]

I'm going to start losing sleep thinking about what Bud (or another great coach) could do with this roster.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Our whole team will get exhausted soon if there is such a lack of defense, such that almost every game we are getting scored on heavily. Need a defensive scheme adjustment. Soon! Maybe the players should talk to ag like they did about Brook and rim protection.

giannis isnt going to go to AG and say...listen man, at the end of the day, i coast defensively. its better, at the end of the day, if i guard the worst guy so i can give help at the rim when other guys get beat.

in general... the players arent going to sk for personnel changes or playing more conservatively. thats not happening. in fact bud got fired because of the players being held in position instead of whats happening now. the players demanded THAT too

bud was like a general to his forces.... hold, hold, hold, hold, hold.... now go. soldiers dont get that kind of thing all the time. great generals do

[paulpressey25]

I'm going to start losing sleep thinking about what Bud (or another great coach) could do with this roster.

Now you know why some of my posts are at 4am

[Chad34]

Just listening to coach Grief, and he still inspires no confidence. Sounds like he's just trying to give answers his players want to hear

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Just listening to coach Grief, and he still inspires no confidence. Sounds like he's just trying to give answers his players want to hear

that will never end either. his entire job security is going to be dependent on licking the players balls if it isnt already

[fan230]

I sometimes feel bad for ag trying his best to succeed in his first head coaching job. Then I get real upset thinking how much better Bud was as a coach. We would never have got this disaster of a defense with Bud and Bud would also have got the best out of Dame like he did from every other player. It is a very upsetting thought process for me as our winning window is so narrow and can vanish anytime with an injury. Imagine if Khris is badly hurt; I am praying he is not.

[rilamann]

Bucks haven't even come close to playing their best basketball yet and they're a 3pt loss on the road vs Boston from having the best record in the league through 16 games.

You guys who are still obsessed with Bud are memes at this point.

[fan230]

If Khris is ok, it would be really great if this aggressive defense designed to force turnovers or whatever, is changed asap. Is bad for his knees and probably Achilles; could also be bad for our other veterans in a similar way also. I hope someone from the coaching staff reads our forum, and at least begins to think about these possibilities.