PG Wizards - Bucks Escape

[VooDoo7]

Just listening to coach Grief

Annnnd, we have a new nickname.

[PhoenixMilwauke]

We are 11-5, one game behind Boston, on pace for 56 wins. That's not all that different than the previous few years. All this with a gimp Middleton and while playing all the young guys which Bud never did. We are getting the best out of Brook, blooding the youngsters and Giannis/Dame are probably about 50% of where they will be in 5 months.

On top of all this, we are in pole position for the NBA Cup even as the other major contenders like Boston, Denver, Philly falter. I suspect we will complain all the way to the NBA Championship (and Cup) just because we aren't winning games by 10+ points.

[fan230]

Waiting anxiously for Khris’ injury report probably tomorrow. Jae is already out for i think 2 months with a left adductor and abdominal tear that will require surgery.

[mattg]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of that he both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

Yep. The way we use Giannis now has turned him into just another guy on defense. Not even a plus really. If he's on the perimeter he's not a good defender and is out of position to do the things he's actually good at, protecting the paint and rebounding. You screen Giannis once and he's done that possession defensively. He has no business guarding top perimeter guys as it is, and him guarding guys outside just compromises everyone else.

[MickeyDavis]

Read on Twitter

[skones]

Shootingthej in shambles

I haven't read any further but I imagine 'But it's only the Wizards' will be the primary defense

Eh, probably just make up a conclusion based on a number and then gaslight when you tell him the actual statistical evidence.

[JimmyTheKid]

The Dre screen on the beas dunk was amazing.

And dre first minutes in the game, bucks immediately go on a 7-0 run wizards call a TO and Dre gets bunched for like felt like an hour.

It's like you see the guy impact the game and he gets pulled after a few minutes, and doesn't see the floor for ages or sometimes is out until garbage time.

Cmom give the kid some consistency and let him stay in the flow of the game.

Still convinced Adrian Griffin is trolling.

[FrieAaron]

I could only listen tonight, but I've been wondering this for a bit. Is Giannis similar to Brook in that he's a defensive marvel but only when used in a particular way?

Bud usually had him on a guy in the corner, and because of that he both rarely had to cover the ball or navigate screens. He got to cheat off his guy to help, make plays, and rebound.

Bud clearly got the best out of his existing players; much more than kidd and so far ag. But bud was not too good in making in game adjustments.

What adjustments have we seen so far this season that have worked out for us? So far what we've seen work the best is going back to what we did under Bud. Still 60 games to figure something else out but maybe the limitations were always more on the floor than the sideline.

Anyway, like has been repeated ad nauseum in the thread, you take an ugly win but we've been doing that a lot. What is our identity right now?

[BroncoBuck]

We are 11-5, one game behind Boston, on pace for 56 wins. That's not all that different than the previous few years. All this with a gimp Middleton and while playing all the young guys which Bud never did. We are getting the best out of Brook, blooding the youngsters and Giannis/Dame are probably about 50% of where they will be in 5 months.

On top of all this, we are in pole position for the NBA Cup even as the other major contenders like Boston, Denver, Philly falter. I suspect we will complain all the way to the NBA Championship (and Cup) just because we aren't winning games by 10+ points.

The difference is every game is a dogfight because our defense is so terrible. We’re relying heavily on Brook in November. That’s not ideal.

[FrieAaron]

coach Grief

If the season goes south, we have a nickname.

[th87]

Sore Agememnon.

Campampates' fault.

(No one will get this )

[mediocrityrules]

We are 11-5, one game behind Boston, on pace for 56 wins. That's not all that different than the previous few years. All this with a gimp Middleton and while playing all the young guys which Bud never did. We are getting the best out of Brook, blooding the youngsters and Giannis/Dame are probably about 50% of where they will be in 5 months.

On top of all this, we are in pole position for the NBA Cup even as the other major contenders like Boston, Denver, Philly falter. I suspect we will complain all the way to the NBA Championship (and Cup) just because we aren't winning games by 10+ points.

The difference is every game is a dogfight because our defense is so terrible. We’re relying heavily on Brook in November. That’s not ideal.

Completely agree. There's a huge difference with how we're winning/playing this year versus previous years. The record may be similar for now, but we are squeaking out wins and looking awful doing it, with a league-worst defense that we know won't stand up in the playoffs.

If somehow people think that this year can be compared in any way to previous years you're kidding yourselves.

[Dick Tate]

Proud Pro-Lo’r!
November games don’t need to be pretty, they just need to be won.
Giannis made a pair of clutch free throws, that was cool. Disaster averted.

[Prez]

Not really feeling the “we’re 11-5” stuff tbh. The defense is gutter trash by NBA title contender standards, frankly I don’t really even consider us real title contenders right now. The combination of the defense coupled with Dre getting buried has me in a real rough spot with this team lol. I would love to not rip on Griffin every game but it’s just infuriating man.

[Jez2983]

I'm going to start losing sleep thinking about what Bud (or another great coach) could do with this roster.

Now you know why some of my posts are at 4am

AB summarized this recently. Bud got figured out a few seasons ago in the playoffs. He didn't have the adaptability on the fly. I'm not trying to say he wasn't an excellent coach, but his time here had run it's course.

AG is perhaps too far the other way. Very adaptable, but it means we really haven't established any defensive identity (apart from being bad at it)

[-Jragon-]

Cam Payne was a nice pickup... I'm glad we got him

[tedbrogen]

Bucks need to figure out if defense is a personnel problem or a coaching problem.

Little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.

This is the defensive lineup a former NBA champion defensive coordinator put out up by three with 16 seconds left: Dame, Cam, Beas, Pat, Giannis.

He actively put their four worst defensive guards on the court as a strategy. He had a time out so he could have put any five players out there and immediately called time out.

[soxperry]

i'm one of the most staunch Andre backers on this board, but he's a rookie and it's still pretty early. give it time.

[tedbrogen]

We are 11-5, one game behind Boston, on pace for 56 wins. That's not all that different than the previous few years. All this with a gimp Middleton and while playing all the young guys which Bud never did. We are getting the best out of Brook, blooding the youngsters and Giannis/Dame are probably about 50% of where they will be in 5 months.

On top of all this, we are in pole position for the NBA Cup even as the other major contenders like Boston, Denver, Philly falter. I suspect we will complain all the way to the NBA Championship (and Cup) just because we aren't winning games by 10+ points.

Please compare this year’s net rating to prior years.

[tedbrogen]

i'm one of the most staunch Andre backers on this board, but he's a rookie and it's still pretty early. give it time.

What five players would you have had out there with the Wiz inbounding and the Bucks up three with 16 seconds left?

You have a timeout so you don’t have to worry about offensive skill at all.