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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#341 » by Sofia » Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:27 pm

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Sofia wrote:Seems like he only gets the ball if he steps out to jack it, there’s no one on the team that can throw an entry pass apparently. The number of times he drew a switch and had deep position on CP3 or Klay and they didn’t get him the ball was just gross.


He'd be Goated with the Bron Bron sauce, Sof. Imagine, 10 years from now, a 50 year old lebron throwing perfectly levied post entry passes to a now 7 foot 6 Wembenyama in his prime. Just beautiful basketball. Imagine it, Sof. Imagine.

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Post#342 » by Godymas » Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:38 pm

Dude seems already pissed at the Spurs for giving him this garbage roster, but his play doesn’t justify the Spurs doing anything right now. He needs to just shut up and put in his time cuz clearly Chet is preferred right now.
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Post#343 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:43 pm

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bigboi wrote:
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Which is why Zion, who was a MASSIVE draw at the time of the lottery, went to noted NBA hotspot New Orleans. Lmfao at these tin hat wearing imbeciles.


Are you magically forgetting AD leaving Pels for big market? Come on now lmao


Your theory is that the NBA rigged the lottery to send a massive incoming star to New Orleans to appease the 11 Pelican fans because AD just left them?
That’s your theory?
Get a better theory.
Lol.

Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.
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Post#344 » by ocelot17 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:06 pm

He’s going to eventually leave San Antonio.

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Post#345 » by Chinook » Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:46 pm

I wish someone made a compilation of "Times Wemby was open and his teammates missed him". I want that not because I want rage fuel for why everyone in and around the team sucks and is failing Victor. I want it so we'd have a reference to point to all of the times folks assume he's open when he's really not.

There was a play last night that made Spurs fans so mad where Wemby didn't get the ball despite being "guarded by Chris Paul". Collins had the nerve to take another three because he's such a low-IQ jerk that he couldn't see the obvious mismatch. I went back to the play and saw that Wemby was being triple-teamed by Warriors, the Spurs swung the ball to Collins, and the whole defense shifted to block the pass from that angle. With nothing else going on Collins took the open three. Wemby, who was in good rebounding position, left the paint as the shot went up and had no chance at getting the board.

It bothers me that fans can see a play like that and not register what happened. There are going to be times when Wemby has a mismatch but can't receive the pass because the defense is keyed to stop him. In some of those times, the best way to get Wemby the ball is going to be for another Spur to shoot it and let Wemby use his mismatch to get the board. A similar play happened with Branham earlier in the game, but the announcers chided Branham for taking an open three rather than give Wemby a contested 18-footer.

It's like yes, Wemby needs better looks. Yes, Pop is failing the team by not getting them looks. Even yes, there are times when the Spurs do have Wemby in good position and miss the opportunity. But folks don't seem to appreciate that Wemby's actually pretty raw. He hasn't figured out how to read an NBA floor and to find his place in it. He hasn't learned how to coordinate with his teammates so that he can move in ways that get him efficient looks while also creating openings for them. A lot of that is going to come with experience and chemistry. But the Spurs could be helping but running more plays that have those windows explicitly designated.

The more often you manufacture situations where you tell Wemby "All right, when these things happen, dive to the basket" and tell his teammates "And at this point in the flow, either Wemby's going to be open or the defense is going to leave this other thing open trying to cover him up", the more comfortable everyone's going to be in recognizing those situations. The idea of putting a bunch of kids on the court with very little direction and expecting them to operate like the 2014 squad is obscene.
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Post#346 » by Miami_Lux » Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:47 pm

Chinook wrote:I wish someone made a compilation of "Times Wemby was open and his teammates missed him". I want that not because I want rage fuel for why everyone in and around the team sucks and is failing Victor. I want it so we'd have a reference to point to all of the times folks assume he's open when he's really not.

There was a play last night that made Spurs fans so mad where Wemby didn't get the ball despite being "guarded by Chris Paul". Collins had the nerve to take another three because he's such a low-IQ jerk that he couldn't see the obvious mismatch. I went back to the play and saw that Wemby was being triple-teamed by Warriors, the Spurs swung the ball to Collins, and the whole defense shifted to block the pass from that angle. With nothing else going on Collins took the open three. Wemby, who was in good rebounding position, left the paint as the shot went up and had no chance at getting the board.

It bothers me that fans can see a play like that and not register what happened. There are going to be times when Wemby has a mismatch but can't receive the pass because the defense is keyed to stop him. In some of those times, the best way to get Wemby the ball is going to be for another Spur to shoot it and let Wemby use his mismatch to get the board. A similar play happened with Branham earlier in the game, but the announcers chided Branham for taking an open three rather than give Wemby a contested 18-footer.

It's like yes, Wemby needs better looks. Yes, Pop is failing the team by not getting them looks. Even yes, there are times when the Spurs do have Wemby in good position and miss the opportunity. But folks don't seem to appreciate that Wemby's actually pretty raw. He hasn't figured out how to read an NBA floor and to find his place in it. He hasn't learned how to coordinate with his teammates so that he can move in ways that get him efficient looks while also creating openings for them. A lot of that is going to come with experience and chemistry. But the Spurs could be helping but running more plays that have those windows explicitly designated.

The more often you manufacture situations where you tell Wemby "All right, when these things happen, dive to the basket" and tell his teammates "And at this point in the flow, either Wemby's going to be open or the defense is going to leave this other thing open trying to cover him up", the more comfortable everyone's going to be in recognizing those situations. The idea of putting a bunch of kids on the court with very little direction and expecting them to operate like the 2014 squad is obscene.


Absolutely this. People seem desperate to find excuses for why Wemby is so inconsistent. Yes the team is not very good but neither is Wemby. He has all the potential in the world but as of right now he is - like you said - he is a very raw player who is still ways away from being consistent and making a meaningful impact on basketball games.
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Post#347 » by KembaWalker » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:19 pm

Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here
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Post#348 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:32 pm

He just has no business spaming as many 3's as he does, he is Embiid-like from 3 at best, so he should be around 3 attempts per game or so, not more.
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Post#349 » by DiegoChara » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Are you magically forgetting AD leaving Pels for big market? Come on now lmao


Your theory is that the NBA rigged the lottery to send a massive incoming star to New Orleans to appease the 11 Pelican fans because AD just left them?
That’s your theory?
Get a better theory.
Lol.

Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.


It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
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Post#350 » by Kineto » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:37 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


They weren't the same age at the time of their rookie season, and the level of competitiveness of the teams they arrived in was way different than this current spurs team.
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Post#351 » by KodiakBear » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:39 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Are you magically forgetting AD leaving Pels for big market? Come on now lmao


Your theory is that the NBA rigged the lottery to send a massive incoming star to New Orleans to appease the 11 Pelican fans because AD just left them?
That’s your theory?
Get a better theory.
Lol.

Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.


So the NBA has repeatedly rigged the lottery for undesirable locations with small national fanbases? And big market teams have been mostly bad for for the last two decades. The Bulls have mostly been bad since Jordan retired. The Knicks have mostly been bad since Ewing was traded. The Clippers were a trainwreck forever.

Sorry, the NBA isn't rigging the lottery for Cleveland, New Orleans and San Antonio.
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Post#352 » by KembaWalker » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:40 pm

Kineto wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


They weren't the same age at the time of their rookie season, and the level of competitiveness of the teams they arrived in was way different than this current spurs team.


Exactly, other guys had already done the hard part developing those HoF bigs and Pop reaped the rewards. There's no reason to think he has any special insight in how to develop Wemby. His cluelessness is apparent. It was a good draft storyline though
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Post#353 » by firedavidkahn » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:41 pm

"NBA draft is rigged"

Then why did the NBA send Edwards to Min, Ball to Charlotte and gave Wiseman to the Warriors? :lol:

Would have been in the NBA's best interests to keep the Warriors rolling.
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Post#354 » by G R E Y » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:02 pm

Godymas wrote:Dude seems already pissed at the Spurs for giving him this garbage roster, but his play doesn’t justify the Spurs doing anything right now. He needs to just shut up and put in his time cuz clearly Chet is preferred right now.


Or we can go by what Wemby actually said:
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The 19-year old rookie has a better perspective than a lot of prognosticators calling for whatever after each game.

KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


And how old and experienced was each? David, 24, by the time he started; TD, 21, both after playing four years in college, and the Spurs waiting for The Admiral an extra two years for his Navy commitments to finish.

It's fair to compare several aspects among them, but necessary to point out the contrasts at the start of their respective NBA careers including stages of team rebuild, rosters around them, physical maturity, and game development. There's a reason why DR and TD had huge impact the second they stepped foot on the court. And despite Wemby's youth, he's still leading rookies in several categories.
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Post#355 » by Godymas » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:05 pm

firedavidkahn wrote:"NBA draft is rigged"

Then why did the NBA send Edwards to Min, Ball to Charlotte and gave Wiseman to the Warriors? :lol:

Would have been in the NBA's best interests to keep the Warriors rolling.


the Warriors botched the draft, they could have had a future superstar and instead took the modern Hasheem Thabeet

They even told LaMelo they would take him, and didn’t, Larriors deserve all the trash talking for that
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Post#356 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:25 pm

DiegoChara wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
Your theory is that the NBA rigged the lottery to send a massive incoming star to New Orleans to appease the 11 Pelican fans because AD just left them?
That’s your theory?
Get a better theory.
Lol.

Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.


It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.
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Post#357 » by KodiakBear » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:25 pm

Godymas wrote:
firedavidkahn wrote:"NBA draft is rigged"

Then why did the NBA send Edwards to Min, Ball to Charlotte and gave Wiseman to the Warriors? :lol:

Would have been in the NBA's best interests to keep the Warriors rolling.


the Warriors botched the draft, they could have had a future superstar and instead took the modern Hasheem Thabeet

They even told LaMelo they would take him, and didn’t, Larriors deserve all the trash talking for that


Right, but if the NBA was rigged they would have given them the top pick. It would have been easy to do since they had the worst record in the league. Then they would have had another superstar in Edwards.

The lottery being rigged is one of the dumbest conspiracies in sports. Everyone who believes this has to twist themselves in a pretzel with the dumbest logic imaginable to justify why the NBA is rigging the lottery for players to go to small market franchises with small national followings and often over big markets with huge followings. Zion was another one. Despite what you might think of his career, he was super hyped coming into the NBA. His season at Duke got huge ratings and was probably one of the most talked about college basketball seasons because of him. I don't watch a ton of college basketball, but I was watching Duke games to see him that year. Well the Pelicans with 33 wins get the top pick over the Knicks with 17 wins. Is anybody really going to argue they rigged the lottery for the Pelicans with a much better record to get that pick over a huge cash cow(when they are winning) the Knicks? C'mon.
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Post#358 » by KodiakBear » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:26 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.


It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.


You believe in fairy tales. Yes the NBA rigged the lottery so Zion would go to the Pelicans over the Knicks. Your conspiracy is so bad that you believe the NBA is conspiring against itself. In reality everybody in the league office wanted Zion to go to the Knicks.
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Post#359 » by firedavidkahn » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:39 pm

Godymas wrote:
firedavidkahn wrote:"NBA draft is rigged"

Then why did the NBA send Edwards to Min, Ball to Charlotte and gave Wiseman to the Warriors? :lol:

Would have been in the NBA's best interests to keep the Warriors rolling.


the Warriors botched the draft, they could have had a future superstar and instead took the modern Hasheem Thabeet

They even told LaMelo they would take him, and didn’t, Larriors deserve all the trash talking for that

But if it was rigged, the Warriors would have got the #1 pick and not drafted a bust
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Post#360 » by madmaxmedia » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:56 pm

Trey24 wrote:He has shown some insane flashes for a rookie. He is going to be very good for a long time.

I am surprised he doesn't rebound more consistently though


Agreed. I don’t know how great he’ll ultimately become, but I confident he will at minimum justify his draft position. OP’s observations are fine, but the conclusions I completely disagree with. Victor looks absolutely fine so far, yes he is a physical marvel but he’s only 19. He’s shown enough flashes to show his potential, other developmental aspects are going to happen over time as with most all 19 year old rookies. He still has to learn to consistently box out and use his body inside to get rebounds, despite his height.

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