76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[phillynative]

Most guys who fits the “perimeter shotcreator” that are available are the Zach Lavine, Herro or Beal prototype. They are more of a ball stopper and are slightly negative at best on defense. So you’d likely end up being a worse team by going hard for a Lavine.

Offensively, I think Maxey should be played like most guards. The top ISO/shot creators players are wings and bigs, we can’t rely on Maxey on ISO/shotcreators. But he should rather play a lot of 2 man game or screenplays for buckets just like almost all of the top guards out there not named Kyrie or SGA.

And if you want a shotcreator, you need to be more confident on Embiid.

A shotcreator/playmaker doesn't necessarily have to be a high usage player like Beal. Just another player you can put the ball in hands and he can take the pressure off Embiid and Maxey for stretches. Right now we are operating with only one ball handler, while most teams have multiple capable on the ball players.

[elchengue20]

Most guys who fits the “perimeter shotcreator” that are available are the Zach Lavine, Herro or Beal prototype. They are more of a ball stopper and are slightly negative at best on defense. So you’d likely end up being a worse team by going hard for a Lavine.

Offensively, I think Maxey should be played like most guards. The top ISO/shot creators players are wings and bigs, we can’t rely on Maxey on ISO/shotcreators. But he should rather play a lot of 2 man game or screenplays for buckets just like almost all of the top guards out there not named Kyrie or SGA.

And if you want a shotcreator, you need to be more confident on Embiid.

I mean, unforunotately you re not wrong, finding the kind of player we need its very hard. Morey himself has sayed we probably need to settle for a plan B.

If that player isnt available, we just need to upgrade on what we have. I would love to bring Caruso to upgrade Beverly and OG to upgrade Roco/Batum.

In that case we have to pray our team defense can carry us while we have enough offense from Biid and Maxey.

[elchengue20]

Maxey is the new age Tony Parker.

Lighting quick, shoot first PG. Can give you 50 as a 2nd option in a really good team, but if he's your 1st option you are in a problem.

Also can have some issues creating in the halfcourt, we need another good secondary creator. The issue is to find someone who isnt a liability on defense (as Maxey already is) and also wont hurt our spacing. Those players dont grow on trees.

Kawhi Leonard is a pretty good option when LAC falls apart in the first round in the West

In a perfect World yes, but I rather have PG13.

Khawi is starting to really decline and hasnt finished the Playoffs healthy in years.

[mjkvol]

its not about talent.

its about fit and roles. The Nuggets on paper aren't that talented outside of their big two. However everyone on the team plays their role and fits to a T to make up for any flaws their big two has IMO. Gordon was mid on Orlando but on Denver he fits pefectly. He covers Jokic subpar rim protection, is a connective passer, lob threat and just solid enough shooter to not be left alone. MPJ's lack of **** would suck on other teams but him being a black hole works perfectly as a release valve for Jokic. They have a bunch of wings who are willing shooters who are also good-great on defense to again cover for their big two's lack on that end. Bruce Brown solved their main issue of a **** ass bench last year and Murray is a god tier playoff riser as the second guy.

Exactly. This has been my primary point for the entire off season, that the "3rd star" and bringing in a Lavine type of ball stopping "creator" isn't the answer here and will never be. This is a fun, talented roster that is a couple of key pieces away from being a legit contender.

That doesn't mean we become the favorites, but with the right pieces added that address the things that kill us every spring it gives us a shot at winning those tough series we always find a way to blow. And if the group really meshes at the right time, ala the Nuggets, who knows?

[M2J]

Lose Tobias and we're back to square one. Tobias is a 20 ppg scorer right now.

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I think it's ideal to keep Tobias long-term. They can still do that by trading Morris, Roco, Joel, filler. But, I guess I'm just thinking about Tobias going back to having to a similar role to last year and his unhappiness with it. So, I'll push back on the square one thought with this. Add in the Caruso piece and it's worth it to lose Tobi. Caruso is averaging 10 with 3 3pa a game, same amount as Tobi. Lavine is a 25ppg scorer last year and if he were to stay in Chicago, he's probably that again by the end of the year, and he's taking 7 3s a game. With that trade you're essentially adding 7 more 3s to the offense with guys as capable or more of making them. If a player like Zach came with Tobias, he's at best a 14 ppg scorer again...Oubre fills that role easily....and you're getting 10ish from guys like Melton and Caruso and Batum who all are happy to shoot 3s.

I'm harping on the 3s because Sixers need to take more, and at the end of the day that's a Tobias issue. You don't want Joel who is getting the bulk of your shots taking more, but he and Maxey and Oubre for that matter need the outlet and the space.

Like Tobias did when Harden arrived, he took a lesser offensive role and upped his defense, I've seen Zach do that a bit when Chicago is good defensively and his role will certainly be less than he's used to in Philly.

[M2J]

its not about talent.

its about fit and roles. The Nuggets on paper aren't that talented outside of their big two. However everyone on the team plays their role and fits to a T to make up for any flaws their big two has IMO. Gordon was mid on Orlando but on Denver he fits pefectly. He covers Jokic subpar rim protection, is a connective passer, lob threat and just solid enough shooter to not be left alone. MPJ's lack of **** would suck on other teams but him being a black hole works perfectly as a release valve for Jokic. They have a bunch of wings who are willing shooters who are also good-great on defense to again cover for their big two's lack on that end. Bruce Brown solved their main issue of a **** ass bench last year and Murray is a god tier playoff riser as the second guy.

Exactly. This has been my primary point for the entire off season, that the "3rd star" and bringing in a Lavine type of ball stopping "creator" isn't the answer here and will never be. This is a fun, talented roster that is a couple of key pieces away from being a legit contender.

That doesn't mean we become the favorites, but with the right pieces added that address the things that kill us every spring it gives us a shot at winning those tough series we always find a way to blow. And if the group really meshes at the right time, ala the Nuggets, who knows?

Fact of the matter is a lot of the time, these "super teams"and Big 3s that everyone is convinced isn't needed anymore... Doesn't work due to depth issues. That wouldn't be the case with this trade of Lavine, Caruso, Drummond. You add guard depth, keep wing depth with Oubre/Batum/Roco and Lavine can play SF and adds athleticism, plus you're adding the best backup center Philly has had behind Joel.

A Caruso type piece makes this team a legit contender (fringe). This type of trade makes them the favorites for a couple of years. Lessen the need for Joel to take chances in the first or second round (even though last 2 times he didn't need to either) and increases his chance finishing healthy. With a healthy team Nurse would have 0 excuses not to win a ring this year.

Fun team? Or win a ring?

[mjkvol]

its not about talent.

its about fit and roles. The Nuggets on paper aren't that talented outside of their big two. However everyone on the team plays their role and fits to a T to make up for any flaws their big two has IMO. Gordon was mid on Orlando but on Denver he fits pefectly. He covers Jokic subpar rim protection, is a connective passer, lob threat and just solid enough shooter to not be left alone. MPJ's lack of **** would suck on other teams but him being a black hole works perfectly as a release valve for Jokic. They have a bunch of wings who are willing shooters who are also good-great on defense to again cover for their big two's lack on that end. Bruce Brown solved their main issue of a **** ass bench last year and Murray is a god tier playoff riser as the second guy.

Exactly. This has been my primary point for the entire off season, that the "3rd star" and bringing in a Lavine type of ball stopping "creator" isn't the answer here and will never be. This is a fun, talented roster that is a couple of key pieces away from being a legit contender.

That doesn't mean we become the favorites, but with the right pieces added that address the things that kill us every spring it gives us a shot at winning those tough series we always find a way to blow. And if the group really meshes at the right time, ala the Nuggets, who knows?

Fact of the matter is a lot of the time, these "super teams"and Big 3s that everyone is convinced isn't needed anymore... Doesn't work due to depth issues. That wouldn't be the case with this trade of Lavine, Caruso, Drummond. You add guard depth, keep wing depth with Oubre/Batum/Roco and Lavine can play SF and adds athleticism, plus you're adding the best backup center Philly has had behind Joel.

A Caruso type piece makes this team a legit contender (fringe). This type of trade makes them the favorites for a couple of years. Lessen the need for Joel to take chances in the first or second round (even though last 2 times he didn't need to either) and increases his chance finishing healthy. With a healthy team Nurse would have 0 excuses not to win a ring this year.

Fun team? Or win a ring?

I don't believe that's the choice you are offering. Adding an oft-injured lifelong stat compiler for bad teams allegedly as a guy to take big shots for a championship contender? Lavine eats up cap space and IMO insures that we will be a second round casualty for as long as Embiid chooses to remain here.

[M2J]

Exactly. This has been my primary point for the entire off season, that the "3rd star" and bringing in a Lavine type of ball stopping "creator" isn't the answer here and will never be. This is a fun, talented roster that is a couple of key pieces away from being a legit contender.

That doesn't mean we become the favorites, but with the right pieces added that address the things that kill us every spring it gives us a shot at winning those tough series we always find a way to blow. And if the group really meshes at the right time, ala the Nuggets, who knows?

Fact of the matter is a lot of the time, these "super teams"and Big 3s that everyone is convinced isn't needed anymore... Doesn't work due to depth issues. That wouldn't be the case with this trade of Lavine, Caruso, Drummond. You add guard depth, keep wing depth with Oubre/Batum/Roco and Lavine can play SF and adds athleticism, plus you're adding the best backup center Philly has had behind Joel.

A Caruso type piece makes this team a legit contender (fringe). This type of trade makes them the favorites for a couple of years. Lessen the need for Joel to take chances in the first or second round (even though last 2 times he didn't need to either) and increases his chance finishing healthy. With a healthy team Nurse would have 0 excuses not to win a ring this year.

Fun team? Or win a ring?

I don't believe that's the choice you are offering. Adding an oft-injured lifelong stat compiler for bad teams allegedly as a guy to take big shots for a championship contender? Lavine eats up cap space and IMO insures that we will be a second round casualty for as long as Embiid chooses to remain here.

He's been healthy the last few years, and same logic I said for Embiid applies to him too. He's going to have less to do and hopefully stays healthier and becomes 1 of 3 guys to take big shots if the coaching is right, and the 3rd of those 3.

Only takes 1 ring to make it worth it, and that roster should be able to do it comfortably this year.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ideally we need another guard that can handle, create, defend, and hit open threes. That doesn't need to be a star player in my opinion. There are players in this league that fit that role that we can trade for if we want to. The main thing comes down to not overpaying for them. While Caruso is that ideal player, we are going to have to overpay for him. Jordan Clarkson is going to be available at some point from Utah. Not sure what they'll take in return for him, but I like his game too. He's just a bad defender, but you put him with the second unit and we're going to have the scoring depth we need to keep afloat during the second quarter part of games. It's probably a toss up between which one i'd rather have, but if the goal is to keep Embiid, Maxey, Tobias, Oubre as options 1-4, then I'm probably going to lean towards Caruso as the better fit. Spencer Dinwiddie is another name that I like.

[Jailblazers7]

The thing with Lavine is that he has too many red flags. Career loser, bad knees, and a terrible contract. If he didn’t have the health issues, I could maybe get on board with a trade. But the combo of all 3 makes him way too risky.

[Jailblazers7]

The one name I can’t stop thinking about is Josh Giddey. From the outside looking in, he seems like a the odd man out in OKC. He’s an intriguing big playmaker to pair with Maxey & he’s super fun to watch.

His shooting & our history with bad shooters feels like tempting fate but it’s a fun idea.

Edit:

I retract my previous statement after seeing this news immediately after I posted.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273756/NBA-Opens-Investigation-Into-Allegations-Josh-Giddey-Has-Improper-Relationship-With-Minor

[elchengue20]

Lavine is terrible, it woudnt be a Big 3 with him, hes not that calibeer of player. Hes more of a JR Smith than a Vince Carter. And im talking JR before learning to play some defense and within a team concept in NY/Cleveland.

I would be very dissapointed if hes Morey target.

I get the Denver point and team ball but we cant ignore they have by far the best and most vesatile offensive player in the World. Also Murray has played out of his mind in their deep playoff runs. So talent still matters.

That being sayed, if we cant get that third star we need, we still have a shot if we upgrade the role players. I insist in Caruso for Beverley and OG for Roco.

[M2J]

Lavine is terrible, it woudnt be a Big 3 with him, hes not that calibeer of player. Hes more of a JR Smith than a Vince Carter. And im talking JR before learning to play some defense and within a team concept in NY/Cleveland.

I would be very dissapointed if hes Morey target.

I get the Denver point and team ball but we cant ignore they have by far the best and most vesatile offensive player in the World. Also Murray has played out of his mind in their deep playoff runs. So talent still matters.

That being sayed, if we cant get that third star we need, we still have a shot if we upgrade the role players. I insist in Caruso for Beverley and OG for Roco.

OG and Caruso is interesting.... But truly not possible. Both those guys are going to require draft capital. Unless you sign OG next year.

Lavine is truly capable of playing similar to Klay without dribbling with Tyrese. Great fit.

It's also very very likely to happen unless someone else comes up for sale. When it does you'll be title favorites. Getting him and Alex almost guarantees it

[Mik317]

again LaVine's whole selling point is that placing him in a situation in which we doesn't have to be a main engine opens up other parts of his game.

Its the super charged version of what Oubre has done

IDK if that happens but I also thought Oubre was buns and he has proven me wrong so far soooo

[eyeatoma]

again LaVine's whole selling point is that placing him in a situation in which we doesn't have to be a main engine opens up other parts of his game.

Its the super charged version of what Oubre has done

IDK if that happens but I also thought Oubre was buns and he has proven me wrong so far soooo

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

again LaVine's whole selling point is that placing him in a situation in which we doesn't have to be a main engine opens up other parts of his game.

Its the super charged version of what Oubre has done

IDK if that happens but I also thought Oubre was buns and he has proven me wrong so far soooo

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.

[eyeatoma]

again LaVine's whole selling point is that placing him in a situation in which we doesn't have to be a main engine opens up other parts of his game.

Its the super charged version of what Oubre has done

IDK if that happens but I also thought Oubre was buns and he has proven me wrong so far soooo

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.

Yeah a tiger doesn't change his stripes.

Make no mistake LaVine ain't no tiger.

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[M2J]

again LaVine's whole selling point is that placing him in a situation in which we doesn't have to be a main engine opens up other parts of his game.

Its the super charged version of what Oubre has done

IDK if that happens but I also thought Oubre was buns and he has proven me wrong so far soooo

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.

They were like a top 5 or 6 defense last year without a Joel behind him. It'll be okay

[eyeatoma]

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.

They were like a top 5 or 6 defense last year without a Joel behind him. It'll be okay

You can't have LaVine and Maxey as our gaurds defensively. The reason it's okay is because of Melton, and then Oubre...

[eyeatoma]

It's the super charged version of ass defense too.



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Unless you get him to buy in on playing defense which I don't think would happen.

They were like a top 5 or 6 defense last year without a Joel behind him. It'll be okay

They're a top 15 defense right now, with Embiid because Maxey has been so bad.