Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[rayallenscalves]

Find a young team that’s interested in Marjon and move him for a better piece. Usually I’m not crazy about “win now” trades if it results in sacrificing talented youth but I’m starting to think Marjon is closer to being a scrub than any type of usable asset. Cash him in now and keep it moving. He’s not gonna be someone that we want getting minutes when it matters so don’t delay the inevitable.

I've never been a proponent of Marjon, but I do think he deserves more opportunities. I'm sick of seeing Pat's completely unproductive 24 minutes a night in the box score. Marjon has been no worse than Pat. Their minute allocation should be swapped.

[fan230]

Khris and Giannis play well together. Khris needs to start.

An important point indeed. Some of Khris’ passes to Giannis have been sublime, unlike anyone else’s this year.

[BUCKnation]

It's a shame Khris's body is letting him down with these injuries. We've always said he has an old man game, and is basically proving it now, when he can play, despite the lack of athleticism.

[raferfenix]

Khris and Giannis play well together. Khris needs to start.

An important point indeed. Some of Khris’ passes to Giannis have been sublime, unlike anyone else’s this year.

This is an entirely fair point.

If the Bucks feel like Middleton should start whenever he can to maximize time next to Giannis then somehow swapping Beasley with a better defender (bless his heart he's trying) is the main priority.

To date it seems like Griffin has been challenging Beasley to improve on that front. If Middleton were a better defender flanking him that'd be a different situation though.

Bucks did bring Khris off the bench during his ramp up last year. But he looked way worse then than he does now on net.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Find a young team that’s interested in Marjon and move him for a better piece. Usually I’m not crazy about “win now” trades if it results in sacrificing talented youth but I’m starting to think Marjon is closer to being a scrub than any type of usable asset. Cash him in now and keep it moving. He’s not gonna be someone that we want getting minutes when it matters so don’t delay the inevitable.

Yeah this is where I'm at with him. He comes off as mediocre-at-best at pretty much every basketball skill, he's not some physical freak of nature (he's plenty athletic but it doesn't feel like functional athleticism) and he doesn't have some insane motor or game sense. I'd love to be wrong but he feels like a JAG. Like I honestly think Sterling Brown flashed more by this point.

Green and AJJ have been underwhelming too, but they at least tick some of the boxes above. I can't believe that if MJB was on a different team, we'd be looking his way or thinking he was a missing piece.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, Khris looks kinda cooked defensively. Doesn't mean we should be trading him for some team's scrap role players, but it at least should be setting off some alarm bells if he's still moving like this by mid-January. I'd then think long and hard about calling up Portland again and seeing how much interest they have in something like this:

MIL Out: Middleton, Bobby, 2024 Portland 2nd
MIL In: Jerami Grant, Royce O'Neal

POR Out: Grant, Ish Wainwright
POR In: Spencer Dinwiddie, Bobby, 2023 Portland 2nd, Day'Ron Sharpe, Brooklyn 2nd's

BKN Out: Dinwiddie, O'Neal, Sharpe, 2nd's
BKN In: Middleton, Wainwright

[raferfenix]

Caruso for MarJon, Portland 2nd, and Connaughton?

We'd lose size on the wing and Pat's proven clutch play. But significant improvement defensively in the short run.

We'd be extra thin at the 3 unless Ajax will be unleashed in the period before Crowder comes back.

Alternatively we could make Bobby available the centerpiece in that kind of trade. He has significantly more value than Connaughton and we'd have to make changes to replace him. More Middleton / Pat small ball 4 at a baseline. Relying on Thanasis / RoLo yeeesh.

Either way it might be tough to compete with the most competitive offers.

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[buckboy]

Yes, Khris looks kinda cooked defensively. Doesn't mean we should be trading him for some team's scrap role players, but it at least should be setting off some alarm bells if he's still moving like this by mid-January. I'd then think long and hard about calling up Portland again and seeing how much interest they have in something like this:

MIL Out: Middleton, Bobby, 2024 Portland 2nd
MIL In: Jerami Grant, Royce O'Neal

POR Out: Grant, Ish Wainwright
POR In: Spencer Dinwiddie, Bobby, 2023 Portland 2nd, Day'Ron Sharpe, Brooklyn 2nd's

BKN Out: Dinwiddie, O'Neal, Sharpe, 2nd's
BKN In: Middleton, Wainwright

Interesting idea. Leaves us pretty thin up front. I also feel like we're giving up too much. Would want to keep that Portland 2nd, I feel that that's an important pick.

Would almost prefer to cut Portland out and make it Dinwiddie, O'Neal, 2nds for Middleton and whoever it needs to make it work.

Although overall I think there's a close to zero chance Giannis would allow a Middleton trade anyway.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, Khris looks kinda cooked defensively. Doesn't mean we should be trading him for some team's scrap role players, but it at least should be setting off some alarm bells if he's still moving like this by mid-January. I'd then think long and hard about calling up Portland again and seeing how much interest they have in something like this:

MIL Out: Middleton, Bobby, 2024 Portland 2nd
MIL In: Jerami Grant, Royce O'Neal

POR Out: Grant, Ish Wainwright
POR In: Spencer Dinwiddie, Bobby, 2023 Portland 2nd, Day'Ron Sharpe, Brooklyn 2nd's

BKN Out: Dinwiddie, O'Neal, Sharpe, 2nd's
BKN In: Middleton, Wainwright

Interesting idea. Leaves us pretty thin up front. I also feel like we're giving up too much. Would want to keep that Portland 2nd, I feel that that's an important pick.

Would almost prefer to cut Portland out and make it Dinwiddie, O'Neal, 2nds for Middleton and whoever it needs to make it work.

Although overall I think there's a close to zero chance Giannis would allow a Middleton trade anyway.

The defense just isn't gonna work with this scheme and a jumbo frontcourt of Giannis/Brook/Bobby in your Top-7 rotation. I think that's almost obvious at this point. I think Grant has plenty of warts but he's an obvious fit to counter what Boston wants to do in a playoff matchup with us, and he's locked up long term.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I doubt Marjon has much if any trade value. Guys picked 20+ just don't retain trade value unless they show some legit flashes. These guys get cut as roster crunch casualties all the time. Every team has a Marjon type fringe prospect at the back of their bench already.


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[MissKhriddleton]

AG and Dame dominating the discourse has kind of overshadowed how bad Marjon has looked. Really needed him to develop into at least a rotation player and he looks like Sterling Brown. I’m out.

[old skool]

Beauchamp "could" possibly maybe (hopefully) still become impactful. Michael Redd began his career slowly, not getting many minutes on a contending team, before blossoming. I'm not seeing a one-time All-Star like Redd, but he seems to be showing more potential than any of the other young role players. Or he could bust.

I agree that the Bucks need a couple of their prospects to become rotation level role players, as the 2nd apron restrictions will really limit them in the future. They can't afford to do any more 2 for 1 deals like they did for Lillard. Nor can they let role players like DiVicenzo leave, relying on a mid-level exception to replenish the rotation.

[skones]

AG and Dame dominating the discourse has kind of overshadowed how bad Marjon has looked. Really needed him to develop into at least a rotation player and he looks like Sterling Brown. I’m out.

I guess I don't see where he's looked "bad." He's knocking down his shots and has been fine. Think it's too early to be out on him this year, especially when you consider his ankle injury.

[Ron Swanson]

Has Marjon looked bad or has he just not yet lived up to the "awesome 3&D starting caliber wing" expectations that people unfairly put on him too early? It was always a long shot that the 1st and 2nd year guys were gonna immediately come in and be playoff rotation dudes. I don't know why people keep getting their hopes up like that. If Pat can't regain his shooting form and Crowder/Middleton's health is gonna be sketchy, then we were always gonna have to go out and find another rotation-level guard/wing anyways.

[SupremeHustle]

I'm not a Marjon guy and I can see the 3&D potential. Not elite 3&D like Bridges. More like an upper middle class Tony Snell.

[BUCKnation]

I think Marjon has been fine. Would like more PT, but he hasn't been outright bad when from what I've seen.

[MoreTrife]

Marjon somehow needs confidence.

There was a particular play in Portland game where he got the ball swung to him on the right wing behind three point line and his man was the ONLY guy near him, everyone else was on the other end of the court. Marjon didn't even LOOK to drive. Didn't even look for himself. Just sat with the ball waiting to swing it back around. It was really sad. No ball player should just blindly defer without exploring "hey, do I have a play here?".

I bet he's a solid player when he plays with confidence. If Griffin should be able to do anything, he should be able to unlock players. Not seeing him do that with marjon. AJJ seems the type to be a self-motivator.

[bucksfansince88]

Yes, Khris looks kinda cooked defensively. Doesn't mean we should be trading him for some team's scrap role players, but it at least should be setting off some alarm bells if he's still moving like this by mid-January. I'd then think long and hard about calling up Portland again and seeing how much interest they have in something like this:

MIL Out: Middleton, Bobby, 2024 Portland 2nd
MIL In: Jerami Grant, Royce O'Neal

POR Out: Grant, Ish Wainwright
POR In: Spencer Dinwiddie, Bobby, 2023 Portland 2nd, Day'Ron Sharpe, Brooklyn 2nd's

BKN Out: Dinwiddie, O'Neal, Sharpe, 2nd's
BKN In: Middleton, Wainwright

Interesting idea. Leaves us pretty thin up front. I also feel like we're giving up too much. Would want to keep that Portland 2nd, I feel that that's an important pick.

Would almost prefer to cut Portland out and make it Dinwiddie, O'Neal, 2nds for Middleton and whoever it needs to make it work.

Although overall I think there's a close to zero chance Giannis would allow a Middleton trade anyway.

If we do any deal with Portland I’d want a combo of Grant + Toumani or Thybulle

[skones]

Marjon somehow needs confidence.

There was a particular play in Portland game where he got the ball swung to him on the right wing behind three point line and his man was the ONLY guy near him, everyone else was on the other end of the court. Marjon didn't even LOOK to drive. Didn't even look for himself. Just sat with the ball waiting to swing it back around. It was really sad. No ball player should just blindly defer without exploring "hey, do I have a play here?".

I bet he's a solid player when he plays with confidence. If Griffin should be able to do anything, he should be able to unlock players. Not seeing him do that with marjon. AJJ seems the type to be a self-motivator.

I'm not entirely sure that's a basketball confidence issue as much as it is a bum ankle confidence issue. If he doesn't feel like he's got maximum burst or push off, it's pretty easy to shy away from trying to make that play if the ankle still feels a bit loose. He was playing pretty assertively prior to that sprain IMO.

[soxperry]

The silver lining if AG is a total flop is that we theoretically should have the top coaching destination next offseason and its not gonna be close. We should be able to put together a top of the line staff