Wembanyama. I'm concerned

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jokic was an awesome rookie and an all-nba caliber player by his second year (26.3 PER, 7.3 BPM). If it's true that nobody on this board could see what was coming, then it's an indictment on this board, not on young Jokic.

The deficiencies I'm alluding to are his poor shooting, poor decision making, and his lack of strength. As I said, things like shooting and decision making are more innate than people want to admit, and while he can make marginal improvements it's unlikely those skills will ever be strengths.

As for his physical strength, he can add plenty of muscle and still get pushed around due to his high center of gravity. Porzingis has put on a lot of weight since his rookie year and still lives primarily as a jump shooter. In 5 years' time I expect Wemby to be very much the same. It's one of the limitations of being a lanky 7'4 alien.

The Nuggets themselves didn't see this coming, or else they would have traded Nurkic during his rookie year. Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either

Poor decision making isn't a talent deficiency, it's just a young player making mistakes, neither is strength. He has to get better as a shooter, which is really the only talent deficiency but his FT% leads me to believe he'll be solid in the future especially if he gets his shot selection more disciplined.



Kristaps had an injury that derailed his career and got top heavy, even with that in mind he was 89th percentile in post ups last year and is in the 100th percentile this year. They aren't the same either, he's longer and better around the basket right now than Kristaps was as a rookie, Kristaps was an awful finisher for how big he was, Victor is shooting almost 20% higher at the rim than Kristaps rookie year.

There's a difference between putting on weight with a body builder trainer like Kristaps did and what Victor and his camp have talked about, their model for him is Giannis. I don't expect Victor to be like Kristaps, he's a better athlete and more fluid, if he ends up putting on mass like Giannis did then a higher center of gravity won't mean too much, much the way it hasn't meant much for Giannis who is almost always significantly taller than the guy guarding him.

I couldn't have predicted that Jokic would be a generational player, but all-NBA and MVP candidate were real possibilities after his rookie year. The Nuggets were only slow to realize it because of internal politics. When a flabby second rounder starts outplaying everyone on the team, dudes are going to catch feelings when he starts taking their minutes and touches. He had to earn his spot more than probably any superstar in history.

Victor may be a better finisher around the rim than KP, but he's going to struggle to get there against a set defense for the same reasons. He's easily knocked off balance and I don't see that changing too much as he adds muscle. You can't compare him to Giannis, who is 5 inches shorter and not nearly as lanky.

Again, this isn't to say he can't be a great player. But there are serious red flags with his offensive game, and some of the more bullish pre-draft predictions are looking silly right now. Woj actually said he was going to be the best defensive and offensive player in the world by year 3. That's not happening.

If the Nuggets knew he was going to be an MVP caliber player there would never have been any discussion on the future between them. The Cavs traded all their dead weight LeBrons rookie year. The point is as great as he was not even his own team saw it right away, nobody did, bigs take longer to develop which is why it's also been 22 yrs since a 7 footer won rookie of the year.

He's easily knocked off his path now, if he develops his body right then that will be harder to do in the future. If he were similar to KP he'd be shooting under 60% at the rim like he was as a rookie, instead he's at 74%, KP didn't 73% at the rim until his 4th season which was at 24 and his 5th year in the NBA.


We can definitely compare, height is relative in terms of position, Giannis is + for his position and is defended by guys who are several inches shorter than himself. They have a lower center of gravity than him but it really doesn't matter as long as he gets within 6 feet of the rim. When Victor is older he'll be playing C where he's taller than guys but not 6-8" taller than the guy guarding him, the height difference between him and most Cs will be similar to Giannis and most PFs. I'll start judging him when he's strong enough to play center full time, which I would think is next year.

Two of your talent deficiencies were strength and decision making, those are correctable things without too much hassle. The only real concern is his shooting and health. He's going to be an all-star very soon, and if his body develops correctly he's going to be the best player in the league in short order.

[tsherkin]

Porzingis is a better shooter than Wemby, he also struggles from 3 though. I think it's tough to be that tall with giant hands and be very accurate from distance. For one, a shooting arc is a parabola and the taller you shoot from the more that tiny perturbations reduce accuracy.

Porzingis is a 35.8% 3P shooter on his career, which isn't really "[struggling] from 3." He's also a 41.4% shooter from 16 feet out to the 3pt line. His real issue with his 3P% is that he doesn't get corner 3s, which is how most guys get their 3P% up much higher than 36% or so. Porzingis is shooting 33.8% from above the break this season, and he's customarily a 36-38% shooter from there over the past few seasons. He's also generally assisted on like 66-70% of his 2s and 98% or so of his 3s. He has also been bricking open 3s more than usual, shooting 31.4% on 3s where the nearest defender has been 6+ feet away. He's also an 82.6% FT shooter on his career, so the similarities between him and Wemby (leastwise Wemby to date) are intriguing from a comparative standpoint.

Wembanyama, by contrast, is assisted on about 75% of his twos, but only about 80% of his 3s. And he also doesn't get very many from the corner. He is shooting 29.4% on above-break 3s, and hasn't done terribly well wide open either at this early point.

I don't think his height or the parabolic nature of shooting are his problems. I think he's adjusting to the league, finding his rhythm and will eventually be fine. He may not be an ATG shooter, and that's fine, but that was always hyperbole from his fans to begin with, after all. But it will be better than what we've seen so far. Short sample, some rough games, some pretty up and down performance from 3, as is customary with that shot. But he'll be fine.

[AleksandarN]

And yet it took years for him to become a dominant force and all-nba player. There is nobody on this board that looked at rookie Jokic and saw what was coming. These guys take more time than guards and wings, in large part because their bodies need to mature, Embiid had 2 years with NBA strength and conditioning helping him.

You can see where his development is going to be, working on his shot and even more importantly getting stronger. A lot of his issues stem from the fact he's very thin, he gets stood up on drives or stopped dead in his tracks on post ups and takes a shot from our further than he should. What talent deficiency are you even alluding to? He's not a finished product, but compared to other bigs at this age he is sensational as a prospect.

Jokic was an awesome rookie and an all-nba caliber player by his second year (26.3 PER, 7.3 BPM). If it's true that nobody on this board could see what was coming, then it's an indictment on this board, not on young Jokic.

The deficiencies I'm alluding to are his poor shooting, poor decision making, and his lack of strength. As I said, things like shooting and decision making are more innate than people want to admit, and while he can make marginal improvements it's unlikely those skills will ever be strengths.

As for his physical strength, he can add plenty of muscle and still get pushed around due to his high center of gravity. Porzingis has put on a lot of weight since his rookie year and still lives primarily as a jump shooter. In 5 years' time I expect Wemby to be very much the same. It's one of the limitations of being a lanky 7'4 alien.

The Nuggets themselves didn't see this coming, or else they would have traded Nurkic during his rookie year. Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either

Poor decision making isn't a talent deficiency, it's just a young player making mistakes, neither is strength. He has to get better as a shooter, which is really the only talent deficiency but his FT% leads me to believe he'll be solid in the future especially if he gets his shot selection more disciplined.



Kristaps had an injury that derailed his career and got top heavy, even with that in mind he was 89th percentile in post ups last year and is in the 100th percentile this year. They aren't the same either, he's longer and better around the basket right now than Kristaps was as a rookie, Kristaps was an awful finisher for how big he was, Victor is shooting almost 20% higher at the rim than Kristaps rookie year.

There's a difference between putting on weight with a body builder trainer like Kristaps did and what Victor and his camp have talked about, their model for him is Giannis. I don't expect Victor to be like Kristaps, he's a better athlete and more fluid, if he ends up putting on mass like Giannis did then a higher center of gravity won't mean too much, much the way it hasn't meant much for Giannis who is almost always significantly taller than the guy guarding him.

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jokic was an awesome rookie and an all-nba caliber player by his second year (26.3 PER, 7.3 BPM). If it's true that nobody on this board could see what was coming, then it's an indictment on this board, not on young Jokic.

The deficiencies I'm alluding to are his poor shooting, poor decision making, and his lack of strength. As I said, things like shooting and decision making are more innate than people want to admit, and while he can make marginal improvements it's unlikely those skills will ever be strengths.

As for his physical strength, he can add plenty of muscle and still get pushed around due to his high center of gravity. Porzingis has put on a lot of weight since his rookie year and still lives primarily as a jump shooter. In 5 years' time I expect Wemby to be very much the same. It's one of the limitations of being a lanky 7'4 alien.

The Nuggets themselves didn't see this coming, or else they would have traded Nurkic during his rookie year. Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either

Poor decision making isn't a talent deficiency, it's just a young player making mistakes, neither is strength. He has to get better as a shooter, which is really the only talent deficiency but his FT% leads me to believe he'll be solid in the future especially if he gets his shot selection more disciplined.



Kristaps had an injury that derailed his career and got top heavy, even with that in mind he was 89th percentile in post ups last year and is in the 100th percentile this year. They aren't the same either, he's longer and better around the basket right now than Kristaps was as a rookie, Kristaps was an awful finisher for how big he was, Victor is shooting almost 20% higher at the rim than Kristaps rookie year.

There's a difference between putting on weight with a body builder trainer like Kristaps did and what Victor and his camp have talked about, their model for him is Giannis. I don't expect Victor to be like Kristaps, he's a better athlete and more fluid, if he ends up putting on mass like Giannis did then a higher center of gravity won't mean too much, much the way it hasn't meant much for Giannis who is almost always significantly taller than the guy guarding him.

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

[zimpy27]

Porzingis is a better shooter than Wemby, he also struggles from 3 though. I think it's tough to be that tall with giant hands and be very accurate from distance. For one, a shooting arc is a parabola and the taller you shoot from the more that tiny perturbations reduce accuracy.

Porzingis is a 35.8% 3P shooter on his career, which isn't really "[struggling] from 3." He's also a 41.4% shooter from 16 feet out to the 3pt line. His real issue with his 3P% is that he doesn't get corner 3s, which is how most guys get their 3P% up much higher than 36% or so. Porzingis is shooting 33.8% from above the break this season, and he's customarily a 36-38% shooter from there over the past few seasons. He's also generally assisted on like 66-70% of his 2s and 98% or so of his 3s. He has also been bricking open 3s more than usual, shooting 31.4% on 3s where the nearest defender has been 6+ feet away. He's also an 82.6% FT shooter on his career, so the similarities between him and Wemby (leastwise Wemby to date) are intriguing from a comparative standpoint.

Wembanyama, by contrast, is assisted on about 75% of his twos, but only about 80% of his 3s. And he also doesn't get very many from the corner. He is shooting 29.4% on above-break 3s, and hasn't done terribly well wide open either at this early point.

I don't think his height or the parabolic nature of shooting are his problems. I think he's adjusting to the league, finding his rhythm and will eventually be fine. He may not be an ATG shooter, and that's fine, but that was always hyperbole from his fans to begin with, after all. But it will be better than what we've seen so far. Short sample, some rough games, some pretty up and down performance from 3, as is customary with that shot. But he'll be fine.

He will get better but I doubt he ends up better than Prozingis. I'm expecting slightly worse career arc of shooting %s honestly. Maybe 10% worse I'd guesstimate.

Porzingis had a peak seasons at 39.5%, I'd expect Wemby to have a peak season at around 35.5%.
Porzingis has a career average at 36%, I'd expect Wemby to have a career average at around 32.5%.

I had KP as the offensive comp for Wemby before he entered NBA, but I think it's wrong. KP is a better shooter and Wemby is just a far better inside scorer than Porzingis and in an easier era for inside scoring. So I expect Wemby to have better TS% than KP once he plays to his strengths more.

Chet is actually the best Wemby comp. Wemby will likely be a better defensive version of Chet once he plays offense with better PGs and optimises his efficiency in a team context.

[nomansland]

Just saw this on Reddit:

In the 192 minutes Wemby has spent with Tre Jones on the floor, he averages 26ppg/36 on 58%TS. That's also 33.2p/100 for those curious.
This is actually an astoundingly strong blend of volume and efficiency for a rookie.

What's the other factor holding Wemby back? He's playing PF next to Cs clogging the paint and taking away some mismatch opportunities.
Wemby has only gotten 124 minutes at Center this season, but when he does? He averages a whopping 33ppg/36 on 62%TS. That's with or without Tre Jones at PG even.

Put this man at his actual position and give him a PG and it's game over

Yep, if his offensive game was more like Gobert then he'd be 60% TS at 20-25ppg. He should be playing C.

I know some SPurs fans disagree but I think Wemby is purposely being held back so they can tank but also so he can get stronger before tackling the paint. But he is truly best served as a C.

Last night during the Denver game I was wondering if Pop has him out of the paint for now so that he doesn't get banged up and injured. It's pretty clear their strategy is to let him figure out the outside game first.

[AleksandarN]

The Nuggets themselves didn't see this coming, or else they would have traded Nurkic during his rookie year. Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either

Poor decision making isn't a talent deficiency, it's just a young player making mistakes, neither is strength. He has to get better as a shooter, which is really the only talent deficiency but his FT% leads me to believe he'll be solid in the future especially if he gets his shot selection more disciplined.



Kristaps had an injury that derailed his career and got top heavy, even with that in mind he was 89th percentile in post ups last year and is in the 100th percentile this year. They aren't the same either, he's longer and better around the basket right now than Kristaps was as a rookie, Kristaps was an awful finisher for how big he was, Victor is shooting almost 20% higher at the rim than Kristaps rookie year.

There's a difference between putting on weight with a body builder trainer like Kristaps did and what Victor and his camp have talked about, their model for him is Giannis. I don't expect Victor to be like Kristaps, he's a better athlete and more fluid, if he ends up putting on mass like Giannis did then a higher center of gravity won't mean too much, much the way it hasn't meant much for Giannis who is almost always significantly taller than the guy guarding him.

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

I was replying to your Nurkic not being traded was an indication how they viewed Jokic. Malone knew how valuable Jokic was during his rookie year. He wouldn't trade him over anybody Kat, KP, Embiid at that time. Did Malone know he would break Wilt's records of course not. No one saw that. Wilt's records were seen unbreakable. Malone knew Jokic was special. "Chief"

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

I was replying to your Nurkic not being traded was an indication how they viewed Jokic. Malone knew how valuable Jokic was during his rookie year. He wouldn't trade him over anybody Kat, KP, Embiid at that time. Did Malone know he would break Wilt's records of course not. No one see that. Wilt's records were seen unbreakable. Malone knew Jokic was special. "Chief"

"Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either "

No, you bolded this as well, and Mike Malone in his own words said anyone who claims they saw 2x MVP coming is full of ****. You tried to imply that Mike saw that coming and you failed, that's all there is to it.

Also, why would he trade him for Embiid? He didn't play his first game until 8 months after that quote you're all over the place.

[AleksandarN]

"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

I was replying to your Nurkic not being traded was an indication how they viewed Jokic. Malone knew how valuable Jokic was during his rookie year. He wouldn't trade him over anybody Kat, KP, Embiid at that time. Did Malone know he would break Wilt's records of course not. No one see that. Wilt's records were seen unbreakable. Malone knew Jokic was special. "Chief"

"Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either "

No, you bolded this as well, and Mike Malone in his own words said anyone who claims they saw 2x MVP coming is full of ****. You tried to imply that Mike saw it coming you failed, that's all there is to it.

Also, why would he trade him for Embiid? He didn't play his first game until 8 months after that quote you're all over the place.

Again why bring up Nurkic? How am I all over the place?? Malone mentioned it in the video I posted.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I was replying to your Nurkic not being traded was an indication how they viewed Jokic. Malone knew how valuable Jokic was during his rookie year. He wouldn't trade him over anybody Kat, KP, Embiid at that time. Did Malone know he would break Wilt's records of course not. No one see that. Wilt's records were seen unbreakable. Malone knew Jokic was special. "Chief"

"Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either "

No, you bolded this as well, and Mike Malone in his own words said anyone who claims they saw 2x MVP coming is full of ****. You tried to imply that Mike saw it coming you failed, that's all there is to it.

Also, why would he trade him for Embiid? He didn't play his first game until 8 months after that quote you're all over the place.

Again why bring up Nurkic? How am I all over the place?? Malone mentioned it in the video I posted.

Your video is from 2016, my quote is from 2023. He clear as day said he didn't see 2x MVP coming, you can think someone is special that doesn't mean generational. Ausar Thompson looks special, and nobody is going to say they saw MVP coming if he wins one 5 yrs from now.

[AleksandarN]

"Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either "

No, you bolded this as well, and Mike Malone in his own words said anyone who claims they saw 2x MVP coming is full of ****. You tried to imply that Mike saw it coming you failed, that's all there is to it.

Also, why would he trade him for Embiid? He didn't play his first game until 8 months after that quote you're all over the place.

Again why bring up Nurkic? How am I all over the place?? Malone mentioned it in the video I posted.

Your video is from 2016, my quote is from 2023. He clear as day said he didn't see 2x MVP coming, you can think someone is special that doesn't mean generational. Ausar Thompson looks special, and nobody is going to say they saw MVP coming if he wins one 5 yrs from now.

Your quote from Malone was referenced to what? Context matters. Your quote that you used was referring to when Malone first saw him in his first summer league. Totally different reference point than what he was doing during his rookie season as he was learning the NBA game.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Again why bring up Nurkic? How am I all over the place?? Malone mentioned it in the video I posted.

Your video is from 2016, my quote is from 2023. He clear as day said he didn't see 2x MVP coming, you can think someone is special that doesn't mean generational. Ausar Thompson looks special, and nobody is going to say they saw MVP coming if he wins one 5 yrs from now.

Your quote from Malone was referenced to what? Context matters. Your quote that you used was referring to when first saw him in his first summer league. Totally different reference point than what he was doing during his rookie season as he was learning the NBA game.

This is just weird now, his summer league quote was "nice player" after that he went on to elaborate and in 2023 he's saying nobody saw 2x MVP coming. Are you this pressed to believe that Mike Malone knew he had one of the greatest offensive players ever? I know talking about Jokic on here is pretty much the only thing you do, but wanting to be right about something like this when Malone has said they didn't see this coming....is odd.

Either way, I'm done talking about about Jokic, this thread is about Victor.

[AleksandarN]

The Nuggets themselves didn't see this coming, or else they would have traded Nurkic during his rookie year. Nobody after his rookie year saw 2x MVP and generational player coming, you didn't either

Poor decision making isn't a talent deficiency, it's just a young player making mistakes, neither is strength. He has to get better as a shooter, which is really the only talent deficiency but his FT% leads me to believe he'll be solid in the future especially if he gets his shot selection more disciplined.



Kristaps had an injury that derailed his career and got top heavy, even with that in mind he was 89th percentile in post ups last year and is in the 100th percentile this year. They aren't the same either, he's longer and better around the basket right now than Kristaps was as a rookie, Kristaps was an awful finisher for how big he was, Victor is shooting almost 20% higher at the rim than Kristaps rookie year.

There's a difference between putting on weight with a body builder trainer like Kristaps did and what Victor and his camp have talked about, their model for him is Giannis. I don't expect Victor to be like Kristaps, he's a better athlete and more fluid, if he ends up putting on mass like Giannis did then a higher center of gravity won't mean too much, much the way it hasn't meant much for Giannis who is almost always significantly taller than the guy guarding him.

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

Funny how you didn’t even use the whole quote. Next time try not to be disingenuous

"That first Summer League in Vegas, 300 pounds, out of shape, 'Hey, he's a nice player,'" Malone said. "No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that."

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No one on the Nuggets huh? Next time you shouldn’t be so arrogant when replying back to others or you can look foolish.

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"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

Funny how you didn’t even use the whole quote. Next time try not to be disingenuous

"That first Summer League in Vegas, 300 pounds, out of shape, 'Hey, he's a nice player,'" Malone said. "No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that."

Do you have any concerns about Victor, other than him not being Jokic?

[AleksandarN]

Your video is from 2016, my quote is from 2023. He clear as day said he didn't see 2x MVP coming, you can think someone is special that doesn't mean generational. Ausar Thompson looks special, and nobody is going to say they saw MVP coming if he wins one 5 yrs from now.

Your quote from Malone was referenced to what? Context matters. Your quote that you used was referring to when first saw him in his first summer league. Totally different reference point than what he was doing during his rookie season as he was learning the NBA game.

This is just weird now, his summer league quote was "nice player" after that he went on to elaborate and in 2023 he's saying nobody saw 2x MVP coming. Are you this pressed to believe that Mike Malone knew he had one of the greatest offensive players ever? I know talking about Jokic on here is pretty much the only thing you do, but wanting to be right about something like this when Malone has said they didn't see this coming....is odd.

Either way, I'm done talking about about Jokic, this thread is about Victor.

You know what’s weird when you don’t even use use the full wuote and removed the context. Now I know why you are done. You got cooked. At least I didn’t have to edit someone’s quote and the context to try and win a point. I expected better

[AleksandarN]

"No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that." - Mike Malone


Take your own advice chief.

Funny how you didn’t even use the whole quote. Next time try not to be disingenuous

"That first Summer League in Vegas, 300 pounds, out of shape, 'Hey, he's a nice player,'" Malone said. "No one, and if anybody tells you different, they're full of sh*t. No one could have seen that he'd be a two-time MVP passing Wilt Chamberlain, it seems like, every other night. That speaks to his dedication to his craft, getting in great shape, and understanding for him to fulfill his potential, he had to work harder. And he's done that."

Do you have any concerns about Victor, other than him not being Jokic?

Never about Victor. He will be special. It was reply I had issues with

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Your quote from Malone was referenced to what? Context matters. Your quote that you used was referring to when first saw him in his first summer league. Totally different reference point than what he was doing during his rookie season as he was learning the NBA game.

This is just weird now, his summer league quote was "nice player" after that he went on to elaborate and in 2023 he's saying nobody saw 2x MVP coming. Are you this pressed to believe that Mike Malone knew he had one of the greatest offensive players ever? I know talking about Jokic on here is pretty much the only thing you do, but wanting to be right about something like this when Malone has said they didn't see this coming....is odd.

Either way, I'm done talking about about Jokic, this thread is about Victor.

You know what’s weird when you don’t even use use the full wuote and removed the context. Now I know why you are done. You got cooked. At least I didn’t have to edit someone’s quote and the context to try and win a point. I expected better

Cooked? do you think we're competing or there's win loss records here or something. I'm done because this is all you talk about and you're arguing semantics, you don't even know how to comprehend what he said. You want to think Malone knew because if not you'll be embarrassed about that first post, that's all this is about at this point. You trying to save face because you were arrogant in your reply

[links135]

How the f did this thread become about Jokic.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Funny how you didn’t even use the whole quote. Next time try not to be disingenuous

Do you have any concerns about Victor, other than him not being Jokic?

Never about Victor. He will be special. It was reply I had issues with

Well, we all know that much, it was because I said the 5 letter word that you have alerts on for.

[AleksandarN]

This is just weird now, his summer league quote was "nice player" after that he went on to elaborate and in 2023 he's saying nobody saw 2x MVP coming. Are you this pressed to believe that Mike Malone knew he had one of the greatest offensive players ever? I know talking about Jokic on here is pretty much the only thing you do, but wanting to be right about something like this when Malone has said they didn't see this coming....is odd.

Either way, I'm done talking about about Jokic, this thread is about Victor.

You know what’s weird when you don’t even use use the full wuote and removed the context. Now I know why you are done. You got cooked. At least I didn’t have to edit someone’s quote and the context to try and win a point. I expected better

Cooked? do you think we're competing or there's win loss records here or something. I'm done because this is all you talk about and you're arguing semantics, you don't even know how to comprehend what he said. You want to think Malone knew because if not you'll be embarrassed about that first post, that's all this is about at this point. You trying to save face because you were arrogant in your reply

Saving face? I didn’t manipulate a quote to clap back . Who is the one being dishonest. Not me. And yes Jokic was way better half through his rookie season than he was in his first summer league. Do you know when Jokic’s summer league was? Hint it was his draft year. Again context matters.