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Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET

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Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#1 » by god shammgod » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:13 pm

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The New York Knicks couldn't complete a second straight comeback from a second-half, double-digit deficit Sunday night. But the echoes of the Knicks' comeback win Friday night will still be reverberating Tuesday.

New York attempts to clinch a wild card to the knockout round of the NBA's in-season tournament when it hosts the Charlotte Hornets in the East Group B finale for both teams.

Each squad was off Monday after losing Sunday. Devin Booker drained the tie-breaking 3-pointer with 1.7 seconds left to lift the visiting Phoenix Suns to a 116-113 win over the Knicks while the Hornets fell to the host Orlando Magic 130-117.

But the Knicks' 100-98 win over the Miami Heat on Friday night ensures both New York and the Hornets will take the court Tuesday still officially in contention for an Eastern Conference berth, albeit only marginally so in Charlotte's case.

The Knicks' comeback from a 21-point third-quarter deficit improved them to 2-1 in Group B play and kept the Heat (2-1) from eliminating both New York and Charlotte (1-2).

Among the 10 teams in the Eastern Conference that have neither clinched a berth in the knockout round nor been eliminated from contention, only the Group B-leading Milwaukee Bucks and Group C-leading Magic have a better point differential than the Knicks' plus-18.

The Hornets are at minus-30, the worst point differential of any NBA team still in the running.

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Quickley is a young, scrappy guard who many around the league believe could break out if he were handed a starting role. Include him with Evan Fournier’s expensive salary, maybe throw in a first-round pick or two, and the Knicks could bring back an impact player to help them at another position. After all, they’re already loaded with guards under 6 foot 6.

Of course, Quickley and Brunson destroying defenses together would have to change the calculus.

Head coach Tom Thibodeau often closes games with those two together, sliding a defensive-minded perimeter player next to them. Sometimes, it’s starting shooting guard Quentin Grimes. Other times, it’s feisty reserve Josh Hart. On Sunday, it was RJ Barrett, who had to stick with Booker for the final five minutes of the evening.

The challenge with Brunson and Quickley comes on the defensive end. Both are heady team defenders, but size turns into a problem against larger backcourts that can shoot over or muscle either guard. But sometimes, a decision becomes so obvious that basketball theory can’t force a team out of it.

Quickley, who is averaging fewer minutes so far this season than he did in 2022-23 when he finished second in NBA Sixth Man of the Year voting, was the catalyst for the Knicks’ 21-point comeback Friday against the Miami Heat. He wrecked fellow reserves and then closed the win alongside Brunson. Two days later, he energized the group again.

The evidence to support more Quickley-Brunson minutes is mounting. The Knicks are outscoring opponents by 5.5 points per 100 possessions so far this season when the duo is on the court. That number was even more jarring last season: plus-12.1 per 100.

Quickley is critical against defenses that go all out to keep the basketball away from Brunson. For example, the Heat full-court pressure Brunson. They send double-teams his way. The Knicks benefit from placing their second-best creator next to him, as was on display Friday. If Brunson can’t make a play, that’s fine; Quickley can take care of it. He can get the Knicks into their offense as Brunson frees himself off the ball. Or he can run an action on the second side. Or he can set a pick for Brunson to create an open shot or dart downhill with an advantage. Lately, he’s receiving more opportunities.


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Post#2 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Just Here to watch the Brunson Burner Folkssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????!!!!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#3 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:31 pm

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The New York Knicks couldn't complete a second straight comeback from a second-half, double-digit deficit Sunday night. But the echoes of the Knicks' comeback win Friday night will still be reverberating Tuesday.

New York attempts to clinch a wild card to the knockout round of the NBA's in-season tournament when it hosts the Charlotte Hornets in the East Group B finale for both teams.

Each squad was off Monday after losing Sunday. Devin Booker drained the tie-breaking 3-pointer with 1.7 seconds left to lift the visiting Phoenix Suns to a 116-113 win over the Knicks while the Hornets fell to the host Orlando Magic 130-117.

But the Knicks' 100-98 win over the Miami Heat on Friday night ensures both New York and the Hornets will take the court Tuesday still officially in contention for an Eastern Conference berth, albeit only marginally so in Charlotte's case.

The Knicks' comeback from a 21-point third-quarter deficit improved them to 2-1 in Group B play and kept the Heat (2-1) from eliminating both New York and Charlotte (1-2).

Among the 10 teams in the Eastern Conference that have neither clinched a berth in the knockout round nor been eliminated from contention, only the Group B-leading Milwaukee Bucks and Group C-leading Magic have a better point differential than the Knicks' plus-18.

The Hornets are at minus-30, the worst point differential of any NBA team still in the running.

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Quickley is a young, scrappy guard who many around the league believe could break out if he were handed a starting role. Include him with Evan Fournier’s expensive salary, maybe throw in a first-round pick or two, and the Knicks could bring back an impact player to help them at another position. After all, they’re already loaded with guards under 6 foot 6.

Of course, Quickley and Brunson destroying defenses together would have to change the calculus.

Head coach Tom Thibodeau often closes games with those two together, sliding a defensive-minded perimeter player next to them. Sometimes, it’s starting shooting guard Quentin Grimes. Other times, it’s feisty reserve Josh Hart. On Sunday, it was RJ Barrett, who had to stick with Booker for the final five minutes of the evening.

The challenge with Brunson and Quickley comes on the defensive end. Both are heady team defenders, but size turns into a problem against larger backcourts that can shoot over or muscle either guard. But sometimes, a decision becomes so obvious that basketball theory can’t force a team out of it.

Quickley, who is averaging fewer minutes so far this season than he did in 2022-23 when he finished second in NBA Sixth Man of the Year voting, was the catalyst for the Knicks’ 21-point comeback Friday against the Miami Heat. He wrecked fellow reserves and then closed the win alongside Brunson. Two days later, he energized the group again.

The evidence to support more Quickley-Brunson minutes is mounting. The Knicks are outscoring opponents by 5.5 points per 100 possessions so far this season when the duo is on the court. That number was even more jarring last season: plus-12.1 per 100.

Quickley is critical against defenses that go all out to keep the basketball away from Brunson. For example, the Heat full-court pressure Brunson. They send double-teams his way. The Knicks benefit from placing their second-best creator next to him, as was on display Friday. If Brunson can’t make a play, that’s fine; Quickley can take care of it. He can get the Knicks into their offense as Brunson frees himself off the ball. Or he can run an action on the second side. Or he can set a pick for Brunson to create an open shot or dart downhill with an advantage. Lately, he’s receiving more opportunities.


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There was a thread on the GB about stars on the verge of breaking out.

I was obviously all in on Haliburton when he was in Sacramento (even before the draft, as was HerSports).

I think Sengun's now the most likely to follow this path and break out in the NBA.

But the other name I mentioned was IQ. He's not Haliburton, but I think he's a hidden gem and one of the most undervalued players in the whole league considering his role and contract situation.

The Knicks have a young star in their hands and they need to commit to him and start him at some point. You can always make adjustments and tweak the roster to preserve the balance provided by the bench.

If there was ever a player to extend early, it was him. 25 mill will look like a bargain in the near future.
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Re: Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#5 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:04 pm

I love sometimes watching Quickley on defense and seeing him direct teammates to the right place. He's bringing lots of value on that end too.
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Re: Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#6 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:15 pm

Gotta run up the score on these insects.
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Post#7 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:21 pm

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Re: Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#8 » by mpharris36 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:41 pm

so as long as we blow out the Hornets its likely we advance to the single elimination in-season tourny in Vegas for whoever cares.
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Post#10 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:59 pm

Thibs has to love that he will have a good excuse to keep the starters in all game even if we are up big ... Just have to go out and do it though

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Post#11 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:00 pm

mpharris36 wrote:so as long as we blow out the Hornets its likely we advance to the single elimination in-season tourny in Vegas for whoever cares.


I think more people should care about it. As Knicks fans we shouldn't be above wanting to win any sort of championship lol
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Post#12 » by Lord Commander » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:10 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:Gotta run up the score on these insects.



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Post#13 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:16 pm

a sham game thread. damn. who's going to get hit with a career ending injury tonight
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Post#14 » by DaGawd » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:48 pm

if we lose to this team without lamelo…
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Post#15 » by dakomish23 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:27 pm

Thibs didn’t go back to the

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Lineup that did so well vs MIA despite facing a similar scenario va PHX.

He’s got to be willing to break from his set rotation in general, but especially when we’re struggling.
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Re: Hornets @ Knicks - Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 7:30 PM ET 

Post#16 » by KnixtapeH20 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:32 pm

Seriously what would it take to get Jerami Grant?

You replace Randle with Grant and we are a much better team all around
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Post#18 » by Fat Kat » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:38 pm

KnixtapeH20 wrote:Seriously what would it take to get Jerami Grant?

You replace Randle with Grant and we are a much better team all around


It would take Isiah Thomas being hired as the Blazer’s GM.
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Post#19 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 pm

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Post#20 » by DaGawd » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:07 pm

KnixtapeH20 wrote:Seriously what would it take to get Jerami Grant?

You replace Randle with Grant and we are a much better team all around

don’t see why the blazers would want or need randle
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