What is the biggest reason the magic are 12-5?

[eyriq]

Defensive buy-in rolls up into Mosley as far as I'm concerned.

[basketballRob]

Isaac has been better than he was before because of his rebounding, especially offensive rebounding, has been sensational. I can already think of around a dozen rebounds and put backs that he's had a clutch times.

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[drsd]

Why are the Magic 12-5?

For me I think it is probably because in 12 games the Magic scored more points than their opponent. Points scored minus points surrendered does seem like an important stat in the Wins v Loss column.

[drsd]

My serious answers are not an option: FT attempts per game and offensive rebounding advantages. These two offensive stats explain why Orlando's scoring has improved.

And yes I credit an improved offense as the reason wins are piling on.

[drsd]

How about improved 3pt shooting?

We're the 3rd worst 3 point shooting team in the league right now in all statistical categories. They've hit timely 3s when needed. But they're more of an inside the paint, and FT shooting team.

This goes to my point that just shooting 3s doesn't make a successful team.

Orlando's "three point shooting" is old-school And-1s. This team is getting teams into foul trouble and scoring loads of free points.

[jezzerinho]

I believe the only answer here can be Mosley's coaching.

Why? Because there's no way the all the other factors would have come into play to propel the Magic without a very good coach pushing all aspects forward.

What would we have said were the tasks to accomplish at season start?

Accept our defensive ID and work on honing it and executing it relentlessly. DONE

Knowing we still need to outscore an Opponent, begin to install and execute an offensive identity. DONE

Move the ball. Our ball movement last year was poor. Start using the clock and the ball to work the open man. DONE

Cutting. Our roster suits getting the ball in the paint and then finding cutting players. More visión, more movement, more plays involving cuts. DONE

Put the ball in the hands of Franz and Paolo more. DONE

Find someone to run the second unit so Franz doesnt have to always play heavy minutes with them. DONE

Rebound better, esp on offense. DONE


I mean, we're like a new team. No way they achieve all that without the guiding hand of Mose and his staff. Amazing job.

[basketballRob]

We're 18-6 in the last two seasons when Isaac plays. We are a mediocre team when he doesn't play. Everyone looks better when he plays.

The game against Charlotte was an anomaly against the worst defense in the league.

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[drsd]

We're 18-6 in the last two seasons when Isaac plays.

This sentence actually depresses me. You worked out that Isaac is playing 12 games in a season when he plays at all.

[basketballRob]

We're 18-6 in the last two seasons when Isaac plays.

This sentence actually depresses me. You worked out that Isaac is playing 12 games in a season when he plays at all.

That's why a really big wing is our biggest need. I don't expect Isaac and Ingles to last 3-5 years during Franz and Paolo's primes.

Siakam could make us really good for the next 5 years.

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[Skybox]

We're 18-6 in the last two seasons when Isaac plays.

This sentence actually depresses me. You worked out that Isaac is playing 12 games in a season when he plays at all.

That's why a really big wing is our biggest need. I don't expect Isaac and Ingles to last 3-5 years during Franz and Paolo's primes.

Siakam could make us really good for the next 5 years.

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so would OG...but neither is a sub. Who do you have at Center-if we scored one of those $30-40m/yr studs?

[drsd]

That's why a really big wing is our biggest need.

And so management delivered !

Spoiler:

My 11 son has noted that Ingles and I have the same, let's call it "physique" ; he uses the term "dad bod".

After all, when one stops growing up, they start growing out!

[Optimus_Steel]

That's why a really big wing is our biggest need.

And so management delivered !

Spoiler:

My 11 son has noted that Ingles and I have the same, let's call it "physique" ; he uses the term "dad bod".

After all, when one stops growing up, they start growing out!

Is that a young Tio Joe? lol

[tooler]

We're 18-6 in the last two seasons when Isaac plays.

This sentence actually depresses me. You worked out that Isaac is playing 12 games in a season when he plays at all.

That's why a really big wing is our biggest need. I don't expect Isaac and Ingles to last 3-5 years during Franz and Paolo's primes.

Siakam could make us really good for the next 5 years.

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I’ve been wondering what the point was behind your constant harping on the team record when JI plays. Are you emphasizing that we need a long-term backfill for him, or do you just really like him?

[GameOver25]

Why isn't Weltman and Hammond an option? I mean they are the guys that drafted and signed and traded for almost every player/coach on this team? In essence they are the driving force behind every option to vote for.

They're a polarizing tandem here. But to me they deserve all the credit because a lot of these moves outside of Jalen Suggs and the package for the Vucevic trade when he was initially traded they were getting killed.

1. Paolo Banchero was not the consensus pick here but Jabari Smith.

2. F. Wagner, people were really upset they didn't get Kuminga.

3. Wendell Carter Jr. alot of people wanted Bamba to be the gut over him

4. Jonathan Issac everyone (including myself at a certain point) thought it would be for best for then to cut him. Now he's balling out like he never left.

5. Cole Anthony was thought to be negative until he was put in the 6th man role and they built the bench around him.

You do have misfires like Chuma, Bamba, and the Fournier trade. But to be this successful after 2 1/2 years into their first official rebuild with a squad that has their core of the future and a strong supporting cast on nice contracts and flexible cap situation to add guys that compliment that you have is easily the best job anyone has done in the league outside of OKC.

This team since these guys have come in has always had a direction and purpose. And seeing a well run organization with those guys at the helm.

Don't forget....

6. 2nd round picks, cash considerations!

[zaymon]

Why isn't Weltman and Hammond an option? I mean they are the guys that drafted and signed and traded for almost every player/coach on this team? In essence they are the driving force behind every option to vote for.

They're a polarizing tandem here. But to me they deserve all the credit because a lot of these moves outside of Jalen Suggs and the package for the Vucevic trade when he was initially traded they were getting killed.

1. Paolo Banchero was not the consensus pick here but Jabari Smith.

2. F. Wagner, people were really upset they didn't get Kuminga.

3. Wendell Carter Jr. alot of people wanted Bamba to be the gut over him

4. Jonathan Issac everyone (including myself at a certain point) thought it would be for best for then to cut him. Now he's balling out like he never left.

5. Cole Anthony was thought to be negative until he was put in the 6th man role and they built the bench around him.

You do have misfires like Chuma, Bamba, and the Fournier trade. But to be this successful after 2 1/2 years into their first official rebuild with a squad that has their core of the future and a strong supporting cast on nice contracts and flexible cap situation to add guys that compliment that you have is easily the best job anyone has done in the league outside of OKC.

This team since these guys have come in has always had a direction and purpose. And seeing a well run organization with those guys at the helm.

Its for sure the front office. I would also add to the list.
1. Recognizing bad players quick and trading them (Hezonja, Payton, Hampton). You can argue about Bamba and now Fultz but lets be honest, majority of fans thought they were trading Bamba too soon, and now we are in the middle of the same situation but instead of Bamba its Fultz.
2. Signing great contracts. Jonathon Simmons, WCJ, Anthony, MWagner, GHarris, JIngles.
3. Building great ne training facility

I will also give the credit where the credit is due. I was critical of Mosley at the beginning of the season, and i think my criticism was warranted, but Mosley improved from that time. I still think his quick decision making is subpar, but his long term adjustments are spot on. Some of it is luck like another weird Fultz breakdown, WCJ injury after very slow start, but some of it is good implementation of analytics.
I wrote Fultz/Banchero pairing is awful and due to injury Fultz is gone. I wrote Banchero/Ingles minutes should be up and they are. Finishing games with more spacing. Keeping the morale high.
Defensive buy in is a mix of good drafting of front office and good coaching.

[Knightro]

I’ve been wondering what the point was behind your constant harping on the team record when JI plays. Are you emphasizing that we need a long-term backfill for him, or do you just really like him?

Rob finds one specific talking point and just hammers the hell out of it for about a week.

A couple weeks ago it was how bad the Magic are on back-to-backs because Mosley insists on having practice on non game days during the season and how that kills the Magic's legs.

[basketballRob]

I’ve been wondering what the point was behind your constant harping on the team record when JI plays. Are you emphasizing that we need a long-term backfill for him, or do you just really like him?

Rob finds one specific talking point and just hammers the hell out of it for about a week.

A couple weeks ago it was how bad the Magic are on back-to-backs because Mosley insists on having practice on non game days during the season and how that kills the Magic's legs.

They were historically bad on b2b.

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[VFX]

Why isn't Weltman and Hammond an option? I mean they are the guys that drafted and signed and traded for almost every player/coach on this team? In essence they are the driving force behind every option to vote for.

They're a polarizing tandem here. But to me they deserve all the credit because a lot of these moves outside of Jalen Suggs and the package for the Vucevic trade when he was initially traded they were getting killed.

1. Paolo Banchero was not the consensus pick here but Jabari Smith.

2. F. Wagner, people were really upset they didn't get Kuminga.

3. Wendell Carter Jr. alot of people wanted Bamba to be the gut over him

4. Jonathan Issac everyone (including myself at a certain point) thought it would be for best for then to cut him. Now he's balling out like he never left.

5. Cole Anthony was thought to be negative until he was put in the 6th man role and they built the bench around him.

You do have misfires like Chuma, Bamba, and the Fournier trade. But to be this successful after 2 1/2 years into their first official rebuild with a squad that has their core of the future and a strong supporting cast on nice contracts and flexible cap situation to add guys that compliment that you have is easily the best job anyone has done in the league outside of OKC.

This team since these guys have come in has always had a direction and purpose. And seeing a well run organization with those guys at the helm.

I'd say they are dead even in terms of their decision making good or bad.

The first three you mentioned are just selections based on need/fit. They didn't move for these picks. Orlando lacked offense entirely after punting on the Vuc era. Franz made more sense over Kuminga in this aspect and he's from Michigan (more on that later).

They DO get massive kudos for the Vuc trade. Not sure who you claim was against that deal or that they were getting "killed". It was inevitable and Chicago was dumb enough to pull the trigger. AG should have been moved 1-2 seasons prior. He was worth more than a guy off the bench and a late pick. To me they broke even with those moves combined with Fournier, and later Ross, by waiting far too long.

Paolo has more in his bag than Jabari. Orlando needed an engine and not a role player. Chet was really the only guy you could argue could have been the pick. But again, they went with the better offensive player.

I'll eat crow on Cole Anthony. He's become more than he was in college and his rookie season. I absolutely hated the pick but it worked out. He's carved out a nice role and hes a completely different player, most of the time, than he was in his rookie season.

They weren't getting rid of Isaac. He was injured, on a huge contract, and had limited value elsewhere during what seemed like 3 years of rehab.

They sat on their hands far too long with their decisions to give them full credit here. They picked up Cole and that was about it via draft for non starters. Chuma and Bamba were huge misses. They also have some kind of weird bias about drafting Michigan players obviously coming down from ownership's ties to the University. Not a fan of that kind of decision making. Fultz will be their next big test. How they navigate that situation will determine my feelings on them in either a positive of negative light.

Mosely here has done the most with this roster as humanly possible. Nobody would look at this roster on paper prior to seasons start and say "wow Weltman and co did a fantastic job, look at all this elite talent they've put together in 8 years".

Like anything else involved in Magic acquiring talent... It all comes down to nailing draft picks, which they are above average here by coming out great with two drafts, bad in two, good in one, and TBD with the last one.

[The-Stallion70]

I'm not ready to give Weltman too much credit. He really blew the Bamba pick and that did set the franchise back.

That's the single biggest blemish on his record but he knocked it out of the park with Paolo and Franz.

[eyriq]

Why isn't Weltman and Hammond an option? I mean they are the guys that drafted and signed and traded for almost every player/coach on this team? In essence they are the driving force behind every option to vote for.

They're a polarizing tandem here. But to me they deserve all the credit because a lot of these moves outside of Jalen Suggs and the package for the Vucevic trade when he was initially traded they were getting killed.

1. Paolo Banchero was not the consensus pick here but Jabari Smith.

2. F. Wagner, people were really upset they didn't get Kuminga.

3. Wendell Carter Jr. alot of people wanted Bamba to be the gut over him

4. Jonathan Issac everyone (including myself at a certain point) thought it would be for best for then to cut him. Now he's balling out like he never left.

5. Cole Anthony was thought to be negative until he was put in the 6th man role and they built the bench around him.

You do have misfires like Chuma, Bamba, and the Fournier trade. But to be this successful after 2 1/2 years into their first official rebuild with a squad that has their core of the future and a strong supporting cast on nice contracts and flexible cap situation to add guys that compliment that you have is easily the best job anyone has done in the league outside of OKC.

This team since these guys have come in has always had a direction and purpose. And seeing a well run organization with those guys at the helm.

I'd say they are dead even in terms of their decision making good or bad.

The first three you mentioned are just selections based on need/fit. They didn't move for these picks. Orlando lacked offense entirely after punting on the Vuc era. Franz made more sense over Kuminga in this aspect and he's from Michigan (more on that later).

They DO get massive kudos for the Vuc trade. Not sure who you claim was against that deal or that they were getting "killed". It was inevitable and Chicago was dumb enough to pull the trigger. AG should have been moved 1-2 seasons prior. He was worth more than a guy off the bench and a late pick. To me they broke even with those moves combined with Fournier, and later Ross, by waiting far too long.

Paolo has more in his bag than Jabari. Orlando needed an engine and not a role player. Chet was really the only guy you could argue could have been the pick. But again, they went with the better offensive player.

I'll eat crow on Cole Anthony. He's become more than he was in college and his rookie season. I absolutely hated the pick but it worked out. He's carved out a nice role and hes a completely different player, most of the time, than he was in his rookie season.

They weren't getting rid of Isaac. He was injured, on a huge contract, and had limited value elsewhere during what seemed like 3 years of rehab.

They sat on their hands far too long with their decisions to give them full credit here. They picked up Cole and that was about it via draft for non starters. Chuma and Bamba were huge misses. They also have some kind of weird bias about drafting Michigan players obviously coming down from ownership's ties to the University. Not a fan of that kind of decision making. Fultz will be their next big test. How they navigate that situation will determine my feelings on them in either a positive of negative light.

Mosely here has done the most with this roster as humanly possible. Nobody would look at this roster on paper prior to seasons start and say "wow Weltman and co did a fantastic job, look at all this elite talent they've put together in 8 years".

Like anything else involved in Magic acquiring talent... It all comes down to nailing draft picks, which they are above average here by coming out great with two drafts, bad in two, good in one, and TBD with the last one.

Cole is serving up crow for me, too. If I could go back in time and correct my stance, it would be that the six-man role was perfect for him (I kind of thought this already) and that he was going to be content to accept that role and at great value to boot (I figured he'd want a starting role and bigger money).

Cole proving me wrong!