Masai’s plan moving forward

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yeah i just completely disagree.

it's obvious that retaining OG has now taken precedence over retaining Siakam. maybe you're just not paying attention.

I think you and I are arguing two different points.

I'm not saying they are, or should prioritize re-signing Siakam, I fully agree that OG should absolutely take priority.

I'm saying that from the player perspective, it's different. Siakam's value has tanked, and he knows that his value to this team, is greater than other teams, so he would be more likely to re-sign if we matched an offer.

OG on the other hand, he is wildly coveted, and the Sixers, an actual legit threat to make it out of the east this year, can throw max money at him. From a players perspective, when you can get the same money but be on a WAY better team with a chance at a ring, it's not as simple as "the Raps matched, guess I'll stay".

sure, but with a reduced role on offence? under a coach that previously kept you as 4th/5th option? yeah i don't see it, but we'll see.

all things being equal you might have a point, but players want the touches on offence because it equates higher future earning potential. it's pretty rare for 26 year old players to ring chase.

For sure, I don't think you're way off base or anything, what you are saying makes sense, I just think that his numbers on that team wouldn't be what people would want to pay him for.

If he's putting up DPOY level defence on a team that is a legit contender, and still shooting 38-40% from 3, trust, he's getting paid a max no matter what.

[Tom_Foolery]

We are a treadmill team. It's the sad reality.

Unless we make a major trade nothing will move the needle.

[WuTang_CMB]

overly patient on a flawed roster. Time to make some moves

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Every single raps fan rn

[libertyYYZ]

Let me know when a Raptor cracks the top 25 PER. Not the best metric, but we should have one guy on the top 25 list in a 30 team league to be in contention. Roster needs a talent upgrade.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273780/NBA-PER-Week-5-Devin-Booker-Climbs-To-No-4

[Mark_83]

Whoever is responsible for trading our 1st rounder for Poeltl's bird rights and only put top 6 protections on the pick should be fired immediately. That pick should have been lottery protected for at least the first year. You can argue "weak draft" all you want, but there are players available who could help this team (not to mention the extra wins last year very likely cost us Cason Wallace). The last supposedly weak draft was 2020 and that year still produced Anthony Edwards, Haliburton, Lamelo, Maxey, Vassell, Bane, McDaniels. Weak draft is often just a synonym for harder to evaluate.

[SharoneWright]

Evaluate.

[DelAbbot]

Whoever is responsible for trading our 1st rounder for Poeltl's bird rights and only put top 6 protections on the pick should be fired immediately. That pick should have been lottery protected for at least the first year. You can argue "weak draft" all you want, but there are players available who could help this team (not to mention the extra wins last year very likely cost us Cason Wallace). The last supposedly weak draft was 2020 and that year still produced Anthony Edwards, Haliburton, Lamelo, Maxey, Vassell, Bane, McDaniels. Weak draft is often just a synonym for harder to evaluate.

That was Bobby, given he still thinks that's a good trade

But Masai reviewed and ok'ed the trade, so cut his paycheck by 50% as a warning he is about to be fired too

[Gatoradeguy]

All I know is if we make a trade we got alot of trash to dump off to another team to make it work

[Raps in 4]

Whoever is responsible for trading our 1st rounder for Poeltl's bird rights and only put top 6 protections on the pick should be fired immediately. That pick should have been lottery protected for at least the first year. You can argue "weak draft" all you want, but there are players available who could help this team (not to mention the extra wins last year very likely cost us Cason Wallace). The last supposedly weak draft was 2020 and that year still produced Anthony Edwards, Haliburton, Lamelo, Maxey, Vassell, Bane, McDaniels. Weak draft is often just a synonym for harder to evaluate.

There is no such thing as a weak draft. Every draft produces productive players. And a FO like ours is more likely than others to find that productive talent (drafting and player development has been our strength for Masai's entire tenure). The fact that we keep trading away picks for veteran role players is maddening. Just play to your strengths. How **** hard is that to do?

[Raps in 4]

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Lmao at Grange thinking we won't still be having this discussion next year.

This is our third year of not picking a direction. There is absolutely zero reason to think Masai will pick a direction this season.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

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Lmao at Grange thinking we won't still be having this discussion next year.

This is our third year of not picking a direction. There is absolutely zero reason to think Masai will pick a direction this season.

Yes, but after the trade deadline - it wont be up to them. Pascal and OG and Gary could all just leave regardless of what Masai wants, just like Fred did, and we'll be left with bare shelves so Masai won't have much of a choice.

[Kingsway_fan]

Hiring stiffs like Temple shows me Bobby and Masai are totally out of touch these days... as far as talent evaluation and acquisition goes ... hopefully trade deadline offers them a chance to redeem themselves.... the Raptors have over $25m on the roster considered "past expired" Deadwood by most GMs....

No sooner do they squander picks to unload stiffs like Birch, do they add to their Deadwood.

[Spates]

Future plans should involve consideration of the team as higher quality entertainment. There's been no style, no flavour, no intrigue. The past few seasons were empty calorie content. Games so boring fans are willing to become data analysts to find meaning. That's been the real problem.

[hyper316]

Hiring stiffs like Temple shows me Bobby and Masai are totally out of touch these days... as far as talent evaluation and acquisition goes ... hopefully trade deadline offers them a chance to redeem themselves.... the Raptors have over $25m on the roster considered "past expired" Deadwood by most GMs....

No sooner do they squander picks to unload stiffs like Birch, do they add to their Deadwood.

Temple is a pure locker room presence and culture move. If the 15th man on the team is counted on to play, the team is doomed no matter what

[ArthurVandelay]

Future plans should involve consideration of the team as higher quality entertainment. There's been no style, no flavour, no intrigue. The past few seasons were empty calorie content. Games so boring fans are willing to become data analysts to find meaning. That's been the real problem.

Yes. So true. I’m becoming bored again. Can’t even get hyped for Scottie development because it’s back to the pascal show which has been painful ball for 4 seasons now.

[Dalek]

To me the evaluation point is not about the roster, although it plays a part, it is about how we want to play and whether it works.

People here seem to call it "Project 6'9." Toronto is playing with size and defense over a high functioning offensive minded team. While I do see some improvements from Darko on assisted baskets and passes, the team is by no means an offensive minded team. He wants a large number of deflections per game (30+). He does also want a high number of assists (30+) meaning we dial back the isolation attempts.

24th in isolation scoring this season compared 13th last season. That's a frequency of 5.9% compared to 7.7% last year. That impacts the scoring to a degree because we are not working mismatches and scoring as easily now as we did previously. I also think that as a result of the lack of ISO ball we are reducing second chance points.

Last year we were top 3 in second chance points. This year we are tenth. It's a huge stylistic difference and curious because we have guys that are really good at it like Chris Boucher, Achuiwa, Poeltl. In the tight games, those second chance points make a difference.

The bigger concern to me is defense. Toronto is 19th in giving up points in the paint, 18th in second chance points. If we can't stop teams from scoring with our size, what good is it doing playing these unconventional line-ups.

[James_Raptors]

Hiring stiffs like Temple shows me Bobby and Masai are totally out of touch these days...

I already pointed this out a few games ago, when I mentioned Temple with his arm around Malachi, trying to teach him, mentor him. There are reasons by behind every decision, whether you or I know why is fundamentally irrelevant. But if you're worried about an end-of-the-bench signing, then I'd suggest there are bigger fish to fry and more important things to focus on.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[brownbobcat]

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Everybody in the league has known this for what, the last 10 months now? I have no idea what Masai and Co. are going to learn over the next 3 months that they shouldn't have already known a long time ago.