For all this hoopla over Wembanyanma, what about our own Banchero?

The-Stallion70 · Post #1 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:47 pm

Player A:

19.8 ppg 6.5 rpg 4.6 apg age: 21 years 16d

1st pick in NBA draft

Player B:

19.2 ppg 9.5 rpg 2.6 apg age 19 years 328 days

1st pick in NBA draft

What I'm saying is, for all the hoopla over Wembanyanma and how he is supposedly a generational player, how about we compare him to our own Banchero and try to be as objective as possible before the media or whoever already annoints one guy as better than the other.

Banchero team: 12-5

Wemby team: 3-14

Are we sure Banchero isn't a "generational player"? For so many guys in NBA history nobody thought they'd be great players until they, well, became great players.

Wemby can shoot but he can't play bully ball like Banchero. Paolo seems to have a sense for protecting his body, not really go all out with risky moves like Jabari Parker did and keeps himself in excellent shape.

Steph Curry was a 3 star high school recruit and went to Davidson because it was his only scholarship offer.

JoshuaPotter · Post #2 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:57 pm

No, just. No.

Wemby barring an injury might be a top 5 player all time.

Paulo, when the dust settles will be whom he is and it doesn't change the fact that right now he isn't projected to be a game defining player.

I hate hype as much as the next guy. Wemby passes the eye test. He is good. No telling how good he can be. Paulo, hey he is improving, and I am waiting to see if he can just become a lock starter in an all-star game.

The-Stallion70 · Post #3 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:59 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:No, just. No.

Wemby barring an injury might be a top 5 player all time.

Paulo, when the dust settles will be whom he is and it doesn't change the fact that right now he isn't projected to be a game defining player.

I hate hype as much as the next guy. Wemby passes the eye test. He is good. No telling how good he can be. Paulo, hey he is improving, and I am waiting to see if he can just become a lock starter in an all-star game.

And yup man these are all just words until they happen.

Ralof · Post #4 » by **Ralof** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:59 pm

Please,no

VFX · Post #5 » by **VFX** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:08 pm

The-Stallion70 · Post #6 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:09 pm

Ralof wrote:Please,no

Every GM in the league was prepared to take Greg Oden over KD in 2007.

JoshuaPotter · Post #7 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:10 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
And yup man these are all just words until they happen.

Well. No. It's called. "Projection" for a reason.

Somewhere between 90's ball and the ball that is played today. Players are drafted as prospects and even though we still have misses. We are hitting more often then we are not in todays modern NBA ball.

Wemby, barring injury, a motivational issue, or a circumstance yet unforseen. Projects to be a top 5 player in the NBA. Merely watching him play on the destitute team that drafted him proves it enough.

Things can still happen. He is one of the few players that if I ignore his dedicated page and just watch him play. He has the potential to be the next guy.

Post #8 » by **eyriq** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:10 pm

Paolo > Wemby

JoshuaPotter · Post #9 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:12 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
Ralof wrote:Please,no

Every GM in the league was prepared to take Greg Oden over KD in 2007.

You are confusing tragedy with projection. As a Magic fan, you should be well acquainted with injury limiting a persons projected potential.

JoshuaPotter · Post #10 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:13 pm

eyriq wrote:Paolo > Wemby

Lol it's too early Eyriq.....

You know I "want" Paulo to be a generational player.

Post #11 » by **eyriq** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:18 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo > Wemby

Lol it's too early Eyriq.....

You know I "want" Paulo to be a generational player.

Hahaha yeah, your take is the objective one. I am going to enjoy watching how they spin Wemby's rookie stats though, especially considering that they aren't going to be much different to Paolo's rookie stats.

Chet though... Oh not to have to lead an offense.

drsd · Post #12 » by **drsd** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:18 pm

Frankly I don't get the Wembanyanma hype. He projects as "the next Porziņģis", which is very good and worthy of the overall #1. But this isn't a GOAT level conversation.

But frankly neither is it for Banchero. Sure Wembanyanma, Banchero might win a scoring title and could have 5-10 allstar apperances, but this isn't a conversation of a Karl Malone transformational talent. Let's say he could be a Chris Webber type. Really nice and worth the overall #1, but not GOAT.

What I can say is that it is clear the Magic actually drafted BPA with its pick. That's all we can ask of in managment.

The-Stallion70 · Post #13 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:20 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
And yup man these are all just words until they happen.

Well. No. It's called. "Projection" for a reason.

Ok and how do you define "projection"?

What was Steph Curry's "projection" in 2008?

Everyone has their own opinion or "projection".

Do you know for sure that teams make fewer mistakes in scouting and drafting today than they did decades ago? You have a source or data?

I believe that scouting players today is entirely different than before mainly because of the improved shooting ability of the players by and large. I don't know that there's data that supports that teams do a better job today overall though.

Skybox · Post #14 » by **Skybox** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:25 pm

drsd wrote:Frankly I don't get the Wembanyanma hype. He projects as "the next Porziņģis", which is very good and worthy of the overall #1. But this isn't a GOAT level conversation.

But frankly neither is it for Banchero. Sure Wembanyanma, Banchero might win a scoring title and could have 5-10 allstar apperances, but this isn't a conversation of a Karl Malone transformational talent. Let's say he could be a Chris Webber type. Really nice and worth the overall #1, but not GOAT.

What I can say is that it is clear the Magic actually drafted BPA with its pick. That's all we can ask of in managment.

and, even more Kudos due to the fact that it appeared to be a 3-way race in a loaded draft.

The most exciting thing, IMO, about our young bulldozer (who's also developing a nice 3pt shot and has gotten to the line since day 1) is that he's showing signs of leading the team in assists, possibly by a clear margin...that's Jokic type stuff (I didn't say Jokic-level (yet)). If he's really the hub of the offense - and keeps progressing as a passer, that opens up so much opportunity for open shots from the guard spots. That's MVP type stuff...and the kind of play that enhances the whole team's performance.

JoshuaPotter · Post #15 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:25 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo > Wemby

Lol it's too early Eyriq.....

You know I "want" Paulo to be a generational player.
Hahaha yeah, your take is the objective one. I am going to enjoy watching how they spin Wemby's rookie stats though, especially considering that they aren't going to be much different to Paolo's rookie stats.

Chet though... Oh not to have to lead an offense.

MagicMatic vision of Paulo follows very much in line with what Chet has in a PG.

JoshuaPotter · Post #16 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:41 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
And yup man these are all just words until they happen.

Well. No. It's called. "Projection" for a reason.

Ok and how do you define "projection"?

What was Steph Curry's "projection" in 2008?

Everyone has their own opinion or "projection".

Do you know for sure that teams make fewer mistakes in scouting and drafting today than they did decades ago? You have a source or data?

I believe that scouting players today is entirely different than before mainly because of the improved shooting ability of the players by and large. I don't know that there's data that supports that teams do a better job today overall though.

Usually when someone says this line. It is because they feel they have an opinion that moves away from everyone else.

Is that what is happening here?

I honestly can't believe that your immediate defense is just to say "Steph Curry" and "Durant".

As far as data? You got me. I walked away from the NBA for a few years. Just been doing the reading I can to catch up. Which seems like, due to rule changes, NBA pace, love of the 3ball is very different. Some argue has even lead to inflated worthless stats.

But I am essentially changing the subject with that topic.

swarlesbarkley · Post #17 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:45 pm

I'd rather have Paolo than Wemby.

Even as a rookie Paolo was putting up historic rookie numbers - better than Wemby. Orlando was also losing just like Wemby and the Spurs.

Wemby will likely be the better overall player in their primes but there's always going to be an injury fear with him as a unicorn.

dsg2021 · Post #18 » by **dsg2021** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:06 pm

We've had Shaquille O'Neal and Dwight Howard with zero titles to show for it. And big men drop off or don't last long-term like star forwards.

So excuse me while I take Paolo Banchero over Victor Wembanyanma and Chet Holmgren.

Give me 6'11 forwards like Banchero and Franz Wagner all day.

Rainwater · Post #19 » by **Rainwater** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:48 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
Ralof wrote:Please,no

Every GM in the league was prepared to take Greg Oden over KD in 2007.

You do realize Oden got hurt, right?

Post #20 » by **Knightro** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:41 pm

drsd wrote:What I can say is that it is clear the Magic actually drafted BPA with its pick. That's all we can ask of in managment.

I don't think this is clear at all.

I liked Banchero more than a lot of people did in the pre-draft process two years ago, but there's literally another guy from that draft class who was absolutely in the mix to be taken 1st overall averaging 18.1 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.9 SPG, 2.3 BPG on a .564/.438/.881 slash with A+ defense.

It isn't a knock on Paolo to say Chet is a better/more impactful basketball player. Paolo's very good and I'm happy to be cheering for him, but Chet is absolutely incredible and already unquestionably a top 20 NBA player with a real chance to be top 10.

I'd rather have Wembanyama than Paolo too, and that's speaking as someone who is extremely pleased with Paolo's development.