Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[gambitx777]

I just don't believe that Poole as poor as he's played is untradable. He has enough talent and the wizards are enough of a mess that someone will think he's worth it. His contract isn't that bad in the long run.

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[prime1time]

I just don't believe that Poole as poor as he's played is untradable. He has enough talent and the wizards are enough of a mess that someone will think he's worth it. His contract isn't that bad in the long run.

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Anyone is tradeable. The question is whether or not Poole is a negative or positive asset? Would we have to attach a draft pick to trade Poole or would we be able to get something back in return?

[nate33]

WOW well JDub's off the table but good to know. Kuz has definitely been balling and obviously that's why I'm asking. In any scenario I hope he keeps up his production because he's been fun to watch especially the passing.

Yea Williams is a crazy ask, but the offer you made on the trade board wouldn't suffice either, unless we knew exactly where that Houston pick landed. I would also ask for that Clippers pick unprotected as well.

I'll be honest I would do that deal but I could see my draft pick greedy cohorts in either the trade board or the OKC board calling me crazy. Just lived through so many squandered Russ/KD years that I'm ready for them to be more aggressive this time around.

I think the offer you made on the Trade Board of the Houston top 4 protected 1st plus Dieng and Tre Mann is a fair deal and I'd probably do it.

I love Kuzma, but let's face it, future assets are way more important than current assets for this club. Dieng may still turn out to be a good player, and I think that Houston pick will end up being a lotto pick given the strength of the West.

[gambitx777]

I just don't believe that Poole as poor as he's played is untradable. He has enough talent and the wizards are enough of a mess that someone will think he's worth it. His contract isn't that bad in the long run.

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Anyone is tradeable. The question is whether or not Poole is a negative or positive asset? Would we have to attach a draft pick to trade Poole or would we be able to get something back in return?

I don't think that's the question. I think what do you get back. Like it's it a good return. Probably not but is it a return sure. I think you can probably get an expiring contract and some second round picks for him.

Possible trade I could see

Nets - he's a better player than Simmons right now and they can't afford to tank.
Ben Simmons and a some seconds.

Hornets - they might like his fit with melo, they don't really have a 2G tmruunning mate from him yet.
Hayward and some seconds

76ers - they might like his fit on a better team
Morris, exprings and some seconds




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[TGW]

I just don't believe that Poole as poor as he's played is untradable. He has enough talent and the wizards are enough of a mess that someone will think he's worth it. His contract isn't that bad in the long run.

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Anyone is tradeable. The question is whether or not Poole is a negative or positive asset? Would we have to attach a draft pick to trade Poole or would we be able to get something back in return?

I don't think that's the question. I think what do you get back. Like it's it a good return. Probably not but is it a return sure. I think you can probably get an expiring contract and some second round picks for him.

Possible trade I could see

Nets - he's a better player than Simmons right now and they can't afford to tank.
Ben Simmons and a some seconds.

Hornets - they might like his fit with melo, they don't really have a 2G tmruunning mate from him yet.
Hayward and some seconds

76ers - they might like his fit on a better team
Morris, exprings and some seconds


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There is no way any of those happen. Poole is useless. Unless the Wizards attach an attractive piece with him, no one is trading for him. It's that simple bruh. Like there is no way anyone is trading expirings and seconds for him...get real.

[Dark Faze]

We should move Kispert at this point. I've seen enough to know that the transition from great roleplaying shooter to high level scorer (Booker for example, and to a lesser extent Herro) isn't going to happen.

He's a fringe starting-level pure shooting roleplayer who has more value for teams actually looking to win something atm and his minutes need to go to Davis.

[nate33]

We should move Kispert at this point. I've seen enough to know that the transition from great roleplaying shooter to high level scorer (Booker for example, and to a lesser extent Herro) isn't going to happen.

He's a fringe starting-level pure shooting roleplayer who has more value for teams actually looking to win something atm and his minutes need to go to Davis.

I'm open to trading him, but I'm also fine with not trading him. I think Winger/Dawkins have demonstrated how they will handle our young role players' future with the way they handled the Deni contract and the Kuzma contract. They lock them up to a long term, front-loaded deal which should be a very cheap contract far in the future when the Wizards will actually be in need of cap room.

I agree that Kispert is tracking to be a 20-25 MPG role player more so than a full time starter, but there's little harm in locking up a quality role player on a team-friendly deal that gets even friendlier in the future. If the Wizards and Kispert can agree that Kispert is worth, say, $8M a year, they can sign him to a long term contract paying him an average of $8M but frontloaded. So it would be: $9.1M, $8.4M, $7.6M, $6.9M. If nothing else, his trade value is preserved and he can still be flipped if need be.

[Hibachi_0]

Just saw that CJ McCollum is returning soon. If his level dropped a bit (if it`s too much then we don´t want him) due to his injury I could see us trading him for Poole, it could be a good place for him and for our new 'culture' CJ would be better. Their contracts are virtually the same, but Poole`s one year longer.

[Dark Faze]

I don't disagree with you there Nate. If a value long-term extension is on the table, then I'd consider that a plus signing. That being said, that outcome vs possibly obtaining a quality second-rounder is worthy of debate.

[nate33]

Just saw that CJ McCollum is returning soon. If his level dropped a bit (if it`s too much then we don´t want him) due to his injury I could see us trading him for Poole, it could be a good place for him and for our new 'culture' CJ would be better. Their contracts are virtually the same, but Poole`s one year longer.

If Poole permanently plateaus at his currently awful level, then, sure, trade him for anybody with a shorter contract. But I think it's a bad move to trade Poole right now while his value is so clearly negative. I don't think Poole is THIS bad. He posted some really good offensive numbers in Golden State even when Curry wasn't on the floor with him. I'd wait a bit and see if he can figure this out. I do think his statistical production is going to regress upward to some degree.

[J-Ves]

Kuz for Ivey

Detroit gets their hometown son and a vet who can help guide the Pistons in the right direction

Washington gets a young, talented guard who has lost some luster since being highly drafted. His minutes are down but his production is improved from his rookie season

Wiseman and something more will have to be included as trade filler to match salaries

[pcbothwel]

Guys...I've scoured the league and Poole is going NOWHERE anytime soon. lol
The ONLY Team/Player that even remotely fits is Nets/Simmons... but that is a stretch and Simmons would just destroy what Kuz/Deni are doing at the wing. We just have to hope he gets hot at the deadline NEXT year and move him then.

Again, Im still surprised by the trade. We had CP3 ready to go to a third team and the best we got was Poole?!?
Not even Lowry/Jovic? Hayward + 2nd? Joe Harris + Filler from Det?

[mhd]

Guys...I've scoured the league and Poole is going NOWHERE anytime soon. lol
The ONLY Team/Player that even remotely fits is Nets/Simmons... but that is a stretch and Simmons would just destroy what Kuz/Deni are doing at the wing. We just have to hope he gets hot at the deadline NEXT year and move him then.

Again, Im still surprised by the trade. We had CP3 ready to go to a third team and the best we got was Poole?!?
Not even Lowry/Jovic? Hayward + 2nd? Joe Harris + Filler from Det?

We need to spend on the money on someone. The new CBA requires teams to pay 90% of the cap. We aren't signing anyone worth a darn for the foreseeable future. With Kuzma's declining salary, we have plenty of room. We took a shot at Poole as a young guy and we a potential 1st rounder way out in the future. I would not have done the deal without the new CBA requirement.

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[pcbothwel]

Guys...I've scoured the league and Poole is going NOWHERE anytime soon. lol
The ONLY Team/Player that even remotely fits is Nets/Simmons... but that is a stretch and Simmons would just destroy what Kuz/Deni are doing at the wing. We just have to hope he gets hot at the deadline NEXT year and move him then.

Again, Im still surprised by the trade. We had CP3 ready to go to a third team and the best we got was Poole?!?
Not even Lowry/Jovic? Hayward + 2nd? Joe Harris + Filler from Det?

We need to spend on the money on someone. The new CBA requires teams to pay 90% of the cap. We aren't signing anyone worth a darn for the foreseeable future. With Kuzma's declining salary, we have plenty of room. We took a shot at Poole as a young guy and we a potential 1st rounder way out in the future. I would not have done the deal without the new CBA requirement.

Sorry...but this argument is weak as all hell (Not you, but in general).
Is there an alternate universe where teams are struggling to add salary?
The Kings traded the #23 pick to dump an expiring Holmes.
The Hawks traded Garuba, TyTy, and a 2nd to save $4.5M.
The Mavs traded KP to us for Dinwiddie and Bertans for goodness sake.

[nate33]

Guys...I've scoured the league and Poole is going NOWHERE anytime soon. lol
The ONLY Team/Player that even remotely fits is Nets/Simmons... but that is a stretch and Simmons would just destroy what Kuz/Deni are doing at the wing. We just have to hope he gets hot at the deadline NEXT year and move him then.

Again, Im still surprised by the trade. We had CP3 ready to go to a third team and the best we got was Poole?!?
Not even Lowry/Jovic? Hayward + 2nd? Joe Harris + Filler from Det?

We need to spend on the money on someone. The new CBA requires teams to pay 90% of the cap. We aren't signing anyone worth a darn for the foreseeable future. With Kuzma's declining salary, we have plenty of room. We took a shot at Poole as a young guy and we a potential 1st rounder way out in the future. I would not have done the deal without the new CBA requirement.

Sorry...but this argument is weak as all hell (Not you, but in general).
Is there an alternate universe where teams are struggling to add salary?
The Kings traded the #23 pick to dump an expiring Holmes.
The Hawks traded Garuba, TyTy, and a 2nd to save $4.5M.
The Mavs traded KP to us for Dinwiddie and Bertans for goodness sake.

Even with Kuzma and Poole on the books, we have a ton of cap room to buy bad contracts if that's the way we want to go. As it stands now, assuming we refrain from resigning Gallo, Wright, Gill and Muscala; and we waive Shamet, we will have a payroll of just $104M, leaving us with $38M in cap room. Figure about $7-10M going to our lotto pick, leaving us with $30M.

Of course, all that math might change depending upon what happens between now and the Trade Deadline. I'm assuming we are shopping our vets for draft picks, and we might be willing to take on bad salary to get better draft picks.

[gambitx777]

Anyone is tradeable. The question is whether or not Poole is a negative or positive asset? Would we have to attach a draft pick to trade Poole or would we be able to get something back in return?

I don't think that's the question. I think what do you get back. Like it's it a good return. Probably not but is it a return sure. I think you can probably get an expiring contract and some second round picks for him.

Possible trade I could see

Nets - he's a better player than Simmons right now and they can't afford to tank.
Ben Simmons and a some seconds.

Hornets - they might like his fit with melo, they don't really have a 2G tmruunning mate from him yet.
Hayward and some seconds

76ers - they might like his fit on a better team
Morris, exprings and some seconds


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There is no way any of those happen. Poole is useless. Unless the Wizards attach an attractive piece with him, no one is trading for him. It's that simple bruh. Like there is no way anyone is trading expirings and seconds for him...get real.

I am real. You're being more unrealistic than I am and just plain out negative because you're being a sour puss and a hater.

He's no less tradable than Russ was. He's not less tradable than Beal was. He's 24 has a record of being much better than this. He's on a terrible team with not real leadership. Some team could very well want him and it won't be attaching an asset to move him.

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[TGW]

I don't think that's the question. I think what do you get back. Like it's it a good return. Probably not but is it a return sure. I think you can probably get an expiring contract and some second round picks for him.

Possible trade I could see

Nets - he's a better player than Simmons right now and they can't afford to tank.
Ben Simmons and a some seconds.

Hornets - they might like his fit with melo, they don't really have a 2G tmruunning mate from him yet.
Hayward and some seconds

76ers - they might like his fit on a better team
Morris, exprings and some seconds


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There is no way any of those happen. Poole is useless. Unless the Wizards attach an attractive piece with him, no one is trading for him. It's that simple bruh. Like there is no way anyone is trading expirings and seconds for him...get real.

I am real. You're being more unrealistic than I am and just plain out negative because you're being a sour puss and a hater.

He's no less tradable than Russ was. He's not less tradable than Beal was. He's 24 has a record of being much better than this. He's on a terrible team with not real leadership. Some team could very well want him and it won't be attaching an asset to move him.

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I dare you to post any of those trades on the trade board. See what kind of response it gets. Then you'll see who's the unrealistic one.

[nate33]

I am real. You're being more unrealistic than I am and just plain out negative because you're being a sour puss and a hater.

He's no less tradable than Russ was. He's not less tradable than Beal was. He's 24 has a record of being much better than this. He's on a terrible team with not real leadership. Some team could very well want him and it won't be attaching an asset to move him.

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I dare you to post any of those trades on the trade board. See what kind of response it gets. Then you'll see who's the unrealistic one.

TGW is right. You are wrong. Those trade proposals are DOA. Nobody would take on Poole's contract without significant incentive. He is a massive negative right now - one of the worst contracts in the league. I'd say Beal and Simmons are worse, but that's about it.

[gambitx777]

There is no way any of those happen. Poole is useless. Unless the Wizards attach an attractive piece with him, no one is trading for him. It's that simple bruh. Like there is no way anyone is trading expirings and seconds for him...get real.

I am real. You're being more unrealistic than I am and just plain out negative because you're being a sour puss and a hater.

He's no less tradable than Russ was. He's not less tradable than Beal was. He's 24 has a record of being much better than this. He's on a terrible team with not real leadership. Some team could very well want him and it won't be attaching an asset to move him.

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I dare you to post any of those trades on the trade board. See what kind of response it gets. Then you'll see who's the unrealistic one.

Every one else but me obviously!

Jordan Poole is 24. Has a track record of being an decent playable NBA player. His contract is not that bad it tops out at 34. Yeah is he playing bad sure but that won't be the norm.

When pools contact hits 34 mill a year the cap will be around 181-189 mill. That's 18 ish percent of the cap. Mid level money is about 10 percent of the cap so you're looking at the equivalent of 2 mid-level contacts.

Even bring it back to today's money a 24 year old guy who can score is not untradable. Right here right now Today. Do I think it happens? Not really I don't see this front office as a front office to sell low. If they do cool but he's not a negative asset yet. And eventually I'll be right when we move him.

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