Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach

[DonaldSanders]

Kerr is getting roasted from all angles.. Klay's catching a lot of it too, and its not Klay's fault. Well not directly anyways.. Kerr can stop this at any time by nutting up. But because he doesn't, Moody is going to be propped up too high, Klay's going to be beaten too low, and you can 100% bet that there will be hard feelings going in different directions.

If managing personalities is supposed to be one of the things he does well, this is a clear and loud counterpoint

At this point Steve is putting Klay in a bad spot. He's being pushed into a role he can't fill anymore when Kerr needs to be the one that takes the heat off of him. The fans are all happy to cheer for Klay for 20 minutes a game, I know I am. Klay had a good 1st half, but doesn't have the same stamina or athletic ability for crunch time anymore. Klay had about as good of a game as Klay is going to have at this point, Steve just played him too much. I know Klay did some stupid stuff, but that's Klay, he just doesn't do the crazy POA defense anymore to make up for it.

Let the legend age gracefully. Klay is getting roasted in every NBA space right now and it's totally unnecessary. After his injury history (plus age) and managing to get 1 more chip as a starter, 100% of people would understand at this point in his career he is an off the bench non crunch time guy.

C'mon Steve.

[Impuniti]

https://www.theringer.com/2023/11/29/23980835/golden-state-warriors-trade-rumors-klay-thompson-steph-curry

Kerr praised Moody after the game, calling him “awesome” and “fantastic” and “the ultimate pro.” But that’s apparently not enough for the 21-year-old to earn minutes over the veterans. Not giving minutes to excelling young players is taking the easy way out, rather than playing the young guys and managing the fragile egos of his older players. All Kerr is doing now is sending a message that hard work will not be rewarded with chances, and production during limited opportunities will not be rewarded with more minutes. Because on Kerr’s Warriors, tenure is all that matters.

Koc went all in and said everything that we've said in this thread.

Kerr is getting roasted from all angles.. Klay's catching a lot of it too, and its not Klay's fault. Well not directly anyways.. Kerr can stop this at any time by nutting up. But because he doesn't, Moody is going to be propped up too high, Klay's going to be beaten too low, and you can 100% bet that there will be hard feelings going in different directions.

If managing personalities is supposed to be one of the things he does well, this is a clear and loud counterpoint

Good, he deserves it.

[EvanZ]

All Kerr has to do is give Moody 20+ minutes consistently and bench CoJo. It's really not that hard. Kerr makes it so much harder than it is folks. It is so obvious that Moody should be ahead of JK in the rotation.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Nellie and Doc Rivers are hall of fame coaches too. Try again.

And yes this is the NBA we don't pay you based on what you did years ago. How do you fit so many Ls into a single sentence

When you hear other coaches/scouts talk about Kerr they all say he’s an all-time great and they’re a lot smarter than you or I.

What do you expect? They all are on the same boat.

Like I heard Troy Weaver say that once, we does he have to gain by doin so? Lol

[Onus]

Kerr is getting roasted from all angles.. Klay's catching a lot of it too, and its not Klay's fault. Well not directly anyways.. Kerr can stop this at any time by nutting up. But because he doesn't, Moody is going to be propped up too high, Klay's going to be beaten too low, and you can 100% bet that there will be hard feelings going in different directions.

If managing personalities is supposed to be one of the things he does well, this is a clear and loud counterpoint

At this point Steve is putting Klay in a bad spot. He's being pushed into a role he can't fill anymore when Kerr needs to be the one that takes the heat off of him. The fans are all happy to cheer for Klay for 20 minutes a game, I know I am. Klay had a good 1st half, but doesn't have the same stamina or athletic ability for crunch time anymore. Klay had about as good of a game as Klay is going to have at this point, Steve just played him too much. I know Klay did some stupid stuff, but that's Klay, he just doesn't do the crazy POA defense anymore to make up for it.

Let the legend age gracefully. Klay is getting roasted in every NBA space right now and it's totally unnecessary. After his injury history (plus age) and managing to get 1 more chip as a starter, 100% of people would understand at this point in his career he is an off the bench non crunch time guy.

C'mon Steve.

It's almost as if Steve wants to embarrass Klay

[Onus]

All Kerr has to do is give Moody 20+ minutes consistently and bench CoJo. It's really not that hard. Kerr makes it so much harder than it is folks. It is so obvious that Moody should be ahead of JK in the rotation.

why is jk even getting minutes? Feel like TJD would be a better fit with Saric and cp3 and Moody would provide more spacing and better defense. But for some reason JK is penciled in minutes but Moody isn't.

[CDM_Stats]

Kerr is getting roasted from all angles.. Klay's catching a lot of it too, and its not Klay's fault. Well not directly anyways.. Kerr can stop this at any time by nutting up. But because he doesn't, Moody is going to be propped up too high, Klay's going to be beaten too low, and you can 100% bet that there will be hard feelings going in different directions.

If managing personalities is supposed to be one of the things he does well, this is a clear and loud counterpoint

At this point Steve is putting Klay in a bad spot. He's being pushed into a role he can't fill anymore when Kerr needs to be the one that takes the heat off of him. The fans are all happy to cheer for Klay for 20 minutes a game, I know I am. Klay had a good 1st half, but doesn't have the same stamina or athletic ability for crunch time anymore. Klay had about as good of a game as Klay is going to have at this point, Steve just played him too much. I know Klay did some stupid stuff, but that's Klay, he just doesn't do the crazy POA defense anymore to make up for it.

Let the legend age gracefully. Klay is getting roasted in every NBA space right now and it's totally unnecessary. After his injury history (plus age) and managing to get 1 more chip as a starter, 100% of people would understand at this point in his career he is an off the bench non crunch time guy.

C'mon Steve.

It's almost as if Steve wants to embarrass Klay

If Kerr is generating a sample size or trying to force MDJ's hand or trying to embarrass Klay.. any of these things, he should be fired. **** a replacement, it doesnt matter, because that would be god-awful leadership. This aint Real Housewives of Golden State, he needs to shoot straight

But I believe he is shooting straight, he's just stubborn and afraid of making a move because of the downstream effects, most of which would be Klay getting inside his own head. But he already is.. so whats the point?

At some point Kerr and MDJ need to get on the same page, sit Klay down and tell him he's either going to the bench or seeing a reduction in minutes, here's an extension offer that's fair, you can sign it now or bet on yourself. And then Klay can have autonomy over that decision, and Kerr can put out the best lineup for the sake of the team

[Onus]

At this point Steve is putting Klay in a bad spot. He's being pushed into a role he can't fill anymore when Kerr needs to be the one that takes the heat off of him. The fans are all happy to cheer for Klay for 20 minutes a game, I know I am. Klay had a good 1st half, but doesn't have the same stamina or athletic ability for crunch time anymore. Klay had about as good of a game as Klay is going to have at this point, Steve just played him too much. I know Klay did some stupid stuff, but that's Klay, he just doesn't do the crazy POA defense anymore to make up for it.

Let the legend age gracefully. Klay is getting roasted in every NBA space right now and it's totally unnecessary. After his injury history (plus age) and managing to get 1 more chip as a starter, 100% of people would understand at this point in his career he is an off the bench non crunch time guy.

C'mon Steve.

It's almost as if Steve wants to embarrass Klay

If Kerr is generating a sample size or trying to force MDJ's hand or trying to embarrass Klay.. any of these things, he should be fired. **** a replacement, it doesnt matter, because that would be god-awful leadership. This aint Real Housewives of Golden State, he needs to shoot straight

But I believe he is shooting straight, he's just stubborn and afraid of making a move because of the downstream effects, most of which would be Klay getting inside his own head. But he already is.. so whats the point?

At some point Kerr and MDJ need to get on the same page, sit Klay down and tell him he's either going to the bench or seeing a reduction in minutes, here's an extension offer that's fair, you can sign it now or bet on yourself. And then Klay can have autonomy over that decision, and Kerr can put out the best lineup for the sake of the team

I'm sure that'll happen, when the playoffs start and Kerr actually tries to chase wins.

We don't chase wins in the regular season.

[CDM_Stats]

It's almost as if Steve wants to embarrass Klay

If Kerr is generating a sample size or trying to force MDJ's hand or trying to embarrass Klay.. any of these things, he should be fired. **** a replacement, it doesnt matter, because that would be god-awful leadership. This aint Real Housewives of Golden State, he needs to shoot straight

But I believe he is shooting straight, he's just stubborn and afraid of making a move because of the downstream effects, most of which would be Klay getting inside his own head. But he already is.. so whats the point?

At some point Kerr and MDJ need to get on the same page, sit Klay down and tell him he's either going to the bench or seeing a reduction in minutes, here's an extension offer that's fair, you can sign it now or bet on yourself. And then Klay can have autonomy over that decision, and Kerr can put out the best lineup for the sake of the team

I'm sure that'll happen, when the playoffs start and Kerr actually tries to chase wins.

We don't chase wins in the regular season.

Maybe, but I think the smart play would be doing it well before the trade deadline. Gives the team flexibility in many ways.. if Klay melts down, you dont want it to happen in April. If we need to make a move, we could at least use Kuminga for whatever value he has.. ditto CP3, pending his health. Or if Kerr just fully embraces his hate, Moody could be dealt.

I know its not the norm but the norm is dead and gone, and its better to acknowledge it now than hope for a miracle

[Onus]

If Kerr is generating a sample size or trying to force MDJ's hand or trying to embarrass Klay.. any of these things, he should be fired. **** a replacement, it doesnt matter, because that would be god-awful leadership. This aint Real Housewives of Golden State, he needs to shoot straight

But I believe he is shooting straight, he's just stubborn and afraid of making a move because of the downstream effects, most of which would be Klay getting inside his own head. But he already is.. so whats the point?

At some point Kerr and MDJ need to get on the same page, sit Klay down and tell him he's either going to the bench or seeing a reduction in minutes, here's an extension offer that's fair, you can sign it now or bet on yourself. And then Klay can have autonomy over that decision, and Kerr can put out the best lineup for the sake of the team

I'm sure that'll happen, when the playoffs start and Kerr actually tries to chase wins.

We don't chase wins in the regular season.

Maybe, but I think the smart play would be doing it well before the trade deadline. Gives the team flexibility in many ways.. if Klay melts down, you dont want it to happen in April. If we need to make a move, we could at least use Kuminga for whatever value he has.. ditto CP3, pending his health. Or if Kerr just fully embraces his hate, Moody could be dealt.

I know its not the norm but the norm is dead and gone, and its better to acknowledge it now than hope for a miracle

Oh for sure. I'm just saying from Kerr's point of view. We've seen him give JP a leash all year last year even though he was tanking the season. Then he finally cut his minutes in the playoffs. No reason to think Kerr is going to change now.

He's still saying we believe in this group. He doesn't actually want to coach and manage Klay's ego. He knows Klay helped win him 4 rings and he's going to ride him until he's forced to change.

[EvanZ]

I do understand the psychology that once Kerr "moves off" Klay, that's kind of the end of that relationship probably. My guess is Kerr is literally waiting for Klay to change his mindset, ala recent Russell Westbrook (as I posted the other day), and give Kerr the ok to actually manage his minutes with the best interest of the team in mind.

It's fully possible that Steve is 100% aware of everything he's doing and just gutting through it.

[EvanZ]

OTOH, there's really no good explanation for playing Brad Wanamaker 2.0 over Moody (or Podz).

[Onus]

any update on gp2?

[floppymoose]

I still think the real audience for Kerrs treatment of Klay is… MDJr.

[Dom801e]

I would like to see how Moody and Klay swapping roles and TDJ taking Kuminga’s minutes worked.

Steph-Wiggins-Moody-Dray get 30 min
Klay-Looney-Saric get 25 min
CP3-GP2-TDJ get 20 min

[Warriorfan]

I do understand the psychology that once Kerr "moves off" Klay, that's kind of the end of that relationship probably. My guess is Kerr is literally waiting for Klay to change his mindset, ala recent Russell Westbrook (as I posted the other day), and give Kerr the ok to actually manage his minutes with the best interest of the team in mind.

It's fully possible that Steve is 100% aware of everything he's doing and just gutting through it.

I agree with this totally. Kerr IMO isn't chasing wins early in the season. I think it's get a top 6 seed and have the team ready mentally and physically healthy for a long playoff run.

Klay put up 20pts 9rb it's a start.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Kerr is not a below average coach. He is average or good.

The problem is that Wiggins Klay and Dray are not playing close to their peak play. The Warriors are not a good team when Klay Dray and Wiggins are playing like average starters.

Curry is a good enough best player.
Most good teams have a better 2nd best player than what Draymond our 2nd best player has done so far this year.

I don’t know who are 3rd best player is but good teams have a better 3rd best player than we have.


Klay, Wiggins, Chris Paul and Looney are not playing better than the average 4th best player on a good team. Wiggins or one of our old guys need to play better than they are for the Warriors to be good.

Our bench is OK, much better than last years bench. 6th man and 2nd through 5th starters are not playing well enough to be good.

Looney is OK if he as our 5th best starter but he is not OK as the 3rd best starter on a good team and Looney might be our 3rd best player.

Klay often started slow but we need more than Klay playing well to win a championship.

Replace Klay and Dray with Feb 2016 Klay and Dray and replace Wiggins with 2022 playoffs Wiggins and then the Warriors would be the best team in the league despite our centers being small.

[Impuniti]

I still think the real audience for Kerrs treatment of Klay is… MDJr.

He's the only hope left in this miserable and delusional season. Hopefully he's as ruthless as he needs to be.

[TB]

Kerr is not a below average coach. He is average or good.

The problem is that Wiggins Klay and Dray are not playing close to their peak play. The Warriors are not a good team when Klay Dray and Wiggins are playing like average starters.

We might be the 1 seed right now if Wiggins and Klay were playing like average starters

[marthafokker]

JK at PF is just stupid. He is shorter than Wiggs and Klay.

If he fails, he should fail at SF. Why not just put GP2 at PF and be done with it?