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Re: PG Heat - Win 

Post#201 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:55 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Guys, is my memory flawed? I always thought Midds sucked at passing and lacked vision? That's been his best asset this year.

Is he like a "Knows his role" version of Klay? Feel they are similar points in their career but Midds kind of knows his role on the team while Klay still wants the max.


Your memory is flawed. Back in 2015-16, Kidd empowered Midds to run the offense. He was fantastic at it.

That was when we started the debate whether Redd was better than Middleton, and Middleton won it by virtue of him being multi-dimensional.
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Post#202 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:57 pm

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Consistent run out of the NBA


Hard to expect him to come in late second half after sitting all that time and be expected to shoot high percentage. It seems like that’s how he’s been used during this short slump. That said, give me all the AJ stock. One for ten over a few games is such a small sample size for a shooter. I expect he’ll go 8 for his next ten.


But that is his role, to sit most of the game and come in to make shots at certain spots. Many players have done this role to perfection and created careers out of it.


veterans can operate like that but young guys who havent cut their teeth usually need a little confidence from their coach before they can have confidence in their shot. ajj has got some burn in every game and even started a few and look whats going on with him now
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Post#203 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:02 pm

The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.
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Post#204 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:06 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.


Truly one of the oddest fandoms I’ve ever seen. Atleast Nate Wolters could do a few things and those teams were absolute cannon fodder
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Post#205 » by Shaffty » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:24 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.



thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me
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Post#206 » by Bmaasse » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:59 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.


Truly one of the oddest fandoms I’ve ever seen. Atleast Nate Wolters could do a few things and those teams were absolute cannon fodder

Someone mentioned that he was currently going through a "slump". When was he ever good enough for this to be considered a slump?
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Post#207 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:11 pm

Shaffty wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.



thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me


Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo
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Post#208 » by tonymanero » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:29 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.


What about when he is hitting shots? He's an asset as a bench player. I'll take the larger sample size of all of his last season shooting the ball as a better indicator of his play than the last four games. Which role player would you bet has the best shooting percentage at the end of the year? I'll take AJ. None of the bench players have impressed on defense outside of AJJ. The team defense stinks. AJ remains positive +/- for the year so I'm not convinced he is killing the team when he is out there.
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Post#209 » by -Jragon- » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:29 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.



thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me


Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo


Yeah, coached up and accepting a minimal role of D/hustle. and "whatever your best offensive skill is," like any of our bench guys could start with our top 4 guys.

I just don't see a huge overall talent gap (both sides of the ball) between our bench guy 5 to 13
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Post#210 » by old skool » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:35 pm

In 42 minutes of "clutch" time, the Bucks have the 3rd best defensive rating at 95.8.

That is pretty amazing for a team that has such a horrible defense overall. I think we tend to celebrate the great scoring late in games, but maybe are not seeing the collective defense being played by the top 8 rotation players - which generally means no minutes for Beauchamp, Jackson and Green. The shut down clutch defense is coming from the starters plus Portis, Crowder and Connaughton.
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Post#211 » by skones » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:45 pm

old skool wrote:In 42 minutes of "clutch" time, the Bucks have the 3rd best defensive rating at 95.8.

That is pretty amazing for a team that has such a horrible defense overall. I think we tend to celebrate the great scoring late in games, but maybe are not seeing the collective defense being played by the top 8 rotation players - which generally means no minutes for Beauchamp, Jackson and Green. The shut down clutch defense is coming from the starters plus Portis, Crowder and Connaughton.


Last night specifically, they were playing more in their traditional Bud drop than they had all game. Almost like they're saving it as a changeup in the 4Q. That's not unique to last night's contest either. There's certainly a learning curve with what Griffin is trying to accomplish, and maybe these minutes he's insisting on it are those, take our lumps now so we're more comfortable later, but boy it doesn't feel like it. It feels like forcing a square peg into a round hole.
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Post#212 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:58 pm

-Jragon- wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me


Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo


Yeah, coached up and accepting a minimal role of D/hustle. and "whatever your best offensive skill is," like any of our bench guys could start with our top 4 guys.

I just don't see a huge overall talent gap (both sides of the ball) between our bench guy 5 to 13


Dre has limitations offensively but I think he’s leagues ahead of the 5-13 guys in BBIQ and athleticism
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Kidd would have curb stomped him.

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Post#213 » by Profound23 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:09 pm

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Profound23 wrote:
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Hard to expect him to come in late second half after sitting all that time and be expected to shoot high percentage. It seems like that’s how he’s been used during this short slump. That said, give me all the AJ stock. One for ten over a few games is such a small sample size for a shooter. I expect he’ll go 8 for his next ten.


But that is his role, to sit most of the game and come in to make shots at certain spots. Many players have done this role to perfection and created careers out of it.


veterans can operate like that but young guys who havent cut their teeth usually need a little confidence from their coach before they can have confidence in their shot. ajj has got some burn in every game and even started a few and look whats going on with him now



AJJ has looked great from day 1. He makes mistakes as all young players do but he has come in for a minute or two at times and made an impact on the game. AJ Green only does something when we are down 30 or up 30.


HE IS F***ING TRASH.....TRASH. Nobody can tell me different. AJ GREEN is trash. Worst defender on the team, one trick pony and can't even do that one trick.
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Post#214 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:22 pm

AJJ is definitely a player. But I'm fine with going slow with him. The proverbial rookie wall is a real thing for most. He played 36 games last season and 85 in his 3 year college career. We have 64 games left. If he continues to play well he'll get more minutes.
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Post#215 » by Shaffty » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:35 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.



thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me


Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo



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Post#216 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:43 pm

Shaffty wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me


Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo



excellent joke


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Kidd would have curb stomped him.

Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.


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Post#217 » by blazza18 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.


As someone who was calling out his bandwagon over the off-season I’ve actually been impressed by his ability to be a connector and know where to be when he’s out there. But athletically he can’t hang defensively and I still don’t buy him as a real shooter either.
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Post#218 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:33 pm

Bless his heart, dude tries out there on defense and he's actually pretty fundamentally sound on both ends. But yes, unfortunately he's the carbon copy of another Iowa guy who managed to have a cup of coffee in the league through nothing but sheer grit and shooting ability, Matt Thomas. Unless he's a constant 45% 3PT guy on high volume, there's just no upside there.
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Post#219 » by craig » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:49 pm

Green is like lots of 3-point specialists: needs to be good at his specialty. When a 3-point specialist isn't making them, he's out of the league. I think he'll need to turn it on pretty soon.

I'd like to see that happen. Bucks get out-shot from 3 pretty much every night. Could help if Green was hitting the open 3's when he got his spots.
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Post#220 » by JayMKE » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:51 pm

Full disclosure I'm 2 degrees separated from AJ Green and that's only NBA player I can say that about so I have soft spot for the guy but IMO he is a better athlete and shooter than you guys are giving him credit for I think he'll come around & start nailing them. Maybe won't break thru in Milwaukee or in the NBA right away but I think he'll land somewhere eventually.
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