2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[cgf]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds


Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

Barnes is the middest of the mids.

Are you trying to say he's perfect for us & our Mid-3?

[nykinoz]

Any interest in Davis Bertans?

[RHODEY]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds


Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

Barnes is the middest of the mids.

Are you trying to say he's perfect for us & our Mid-3?

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

[cgf]

Barnes is the middest of the mids.

Are you trying to say he's perfect for us & our Mid-3?

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

[RHODEY]

Are you trying to say he's perfect for us & our Mid-3?

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

[Jalen Bluntson]

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

Barnes is shooting 37.8% on 5.1 3pt shots per game. 1.9 makes per game. He is also a career 37.8% from downtown.

[cgf]

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

And it was embraced sarcastically by those that watched his Dallas performances and knew we had something good brewing

Bogey's a better scorer, but a lot worse defensively. The old man is nearly Fournier bad, whereas Barnes could get on the court for Thibs regularly and as Wingo posted is at nearly 38% on good volume.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

And it was embraced sarcastically by those that watched his Dallas performances and knew we had something good brewing

Bogey's a better scorer, but a lot worse defensively. The old man is nearly Fournier bad, whereas Barnes could get on the court for Thibs regularly and as Wingo posted is at nearly 38% on good volume.

Wingo?

[RHODEY]

Huh? The Mid-3 was created because Brunson had proved what he could do when Luka went down.

Barnes is an above average 3pt shooter and a good defender to have on the bench. Even if he didn't push anyone out of our 9 rotation, having him instead of Fournier be the first wing when injuries strike would be really nice...and if we make a consolidation trade in the offseason we'd already have a good bench guy to backfill for any depth we lost.

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

And it was embraced sarcastically by those that watched his Dallas performances and knew we had something good brewing

Bogey's a better scorer, but a lot worse defensively. The old man is nearly Fournier bad, whereas Barnes could get on the court for Thibs regularly and as Wingo posted is at nearly 38% on good volume.

Barnes reminds me of cardboard...only less interesting.

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Think it would be a good move for maximizing THIS roster, but giving up another 1st for a rental seems short sighted in my opinion. Especially, one that is 34 going on 35 this year and is having soft tissue injury issues to start the season. If they want Fournier and a couple 2nds or something like that, then maybe it makes a little more sense. But also how many minutes is he truly going to get here as long as Randle is still here? He's getting too old to guard 3's and Thibs never would run a Bojan/Randle 4/5 frontcourt.

Just seems like we'd be paying a premium for a guy who is destined to get at most 20 mpg.

What Premium are they paying? They can trade Detroit Fournier, their own 1st and maybe a couple of future 2nds for him.

That's a premium for a guy whose minutes are capped at 20-25 MAX as currently constructed. You can find someone else to fill a role like that without giving up a 1st is my point. Unless there's a subsequent move to be made that clears a minutes logjam up it just doesn't make sense for us to do that for a 35 year old come playoff time in my opinion.

[Dude-niagara]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

[Nazrmohamed]

Barnes is the middest of the mids.

Are you trying to say he's perfect for us & our Mid-3?

Mid 3 was created before Brunson proved what he could do. But yeah Barnes is mid at everything except height.

Well now it's the mid 4.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind this trade in a bubble. At the end of the day mid is better than non existent but obviously I'd rather see if I could use Fournier somewhere else.

[RHODEY]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

[cgf]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

TBF we were top 4 in the east just last spring with Grimes starting.

[Dude-niagara]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

Raptors are retooling around OG and Barnes, Siakam available and they will give OG full max

[Dude-niagara]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

TBF we were top 4 in the east just last spring with Grimes starting.

I don't see it this year, Boston/Philly/Bucks and much stronger Heat team

[cgf]

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

TBF we were top 4 in the east just last spring with Grimes starting.

I don't see it this year, Boston/Philly/Bucks and much stronger Heat team

Eh, the Bucks actually scare me less after this offseason. They used to be able to beat us on the boards and lock us down, but now their perimeter D is weak and we can push them around on the glass, and if we can dominate the rebound battle we can beat anyone. That's why we match up so well with the Celtics and Heat.

We wouldn't be favored against the big dogs, but there isn't a team in the east we can't beat...especially with our kids looking like they leveled up over the summer and if Randle's struggles last year had more to do with his ankle needing surgery than him just being a playoff-choker.

[Dude-niagara]

TBF we were top 4 in the east just last spring with Grimes starting.

I don't see it this year, Boston/Philly/Bucks and much stronger Heat team

Eh, the Bucks actually scare me less after this offseason. They used to be able to beat us on the boards and lock us down, but now their perimeter D is weak and we can push them around on the glass, and if we can dominate the rebound battle we can beat anyone. That's why we match up so well with the Celtics and Heat.

We wouldn't be favored against the big dogs, but there isn't a team in the east we can't beat...especially with our kids looking like they leveled up over the summer and if Randle's struggles last year had more to do with his ankle needing surgery than him just being a playoff-choker.

I agree the Bucks got weaker after losing Holiday and depth

[cgf]

Mid 3 was minted by those that didn't believe Brunson was as good as advertised during his Dallas playoff performances. I would estimate roughly 2/3 of this forum felt this way. But we know what happened last season. And this season Brunson has improved his 3 point shooting. For that low price Barnes would be a good get..I guess....is he really better than average from 3? I would much prefer Boggy....

And it was embraced sarcastically by those that watched his Dallas performances and knew we had something good brewing

Bogey's a better scorer, but a lot worse defensively. The old man is nearly Fournier bad, whereas Barnes could get on the court for Thibs regularly and as Wingo posted is at nearly 38% on good volume.

Barnes reminds me of cardboard...only less interesting.

That's fair, but we're talking about getting him for Fournier and a couple SRPs, that kind of package isn't exactly going to return a prime-MJ. It's not a big deal, but Barnes would give us cover in the one spot we have no injury insurance, and he's a good enough shooter + defender that he could step into our rotation and contribute positively if we ran into a matchup that required more size from the bench unit.

[cgf]

I don't see it this year, Boston/Philly/Bucks and much stronger Heat team

Eh, the Bucks actually scare me less after this offseason. They used to be able to beat us on the boards and lock us down, but now their perimeter D is weak and we can push them around on the glass, and if we can dominate the rebound battle we can beat anyone. That's why we match up so well with the Celtics and Heat.

We wouldn't be favored against the big dogs, but there isn't a team in the east we can't beat...especially with our kids looking like they leveled up over the summer and if Randle's struggles last year had more to do with his ankle needing surgery than him just being a playoff-choker.

I agree the Bucks got weaker after losing Holiday and depth

I also think coaching is a big issue for the East's top 2. Milwaukee lost depth, but they're also just a lot worse at rebounding structurally/organizationally, so even if they can replace some of the depth they lost, they shouldn't start dominating us like they used to...while Knicks-Celtics and Knicks-Heat games are always wild.


That's why I'm not particularly concerned with improving our starting lineup unless we got the chance to make our version of the Kawhi trade and upgrade one of the Mid 3 (Brunson / Barrett / Randle) to a title caliber #1. We'd be underdogs with a legit shot at the upset against the east's top tier regardless of whether we starting Grimes or Anunoby.

...plus I'd argue that we need Grimes' spacing advantage more than OG's defensive advantage, given that our defense is on the cusp of the top 5 while our offense is just on the cusp of the top 10. Not saying OG is a bad shooter or that he isn't even better than Grimes defensively, just that Grimes is a really good defender in his own right and we need shooting help more.