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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#161 » by Onus » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:34 pm

Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#162 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:59 pm

marthafokker wrote:JK at PF is just stupid. He is shorter than Wiggs and Klay.

If he fails, he should fail at SF. Why not just put GP2 at PF and be done with it?

If you're a SF without a reliable 3 ball, youd better be elite at something.. GP2 is an elite defender, but Kuminga has nothing to hang his hat on. There has been minimal progression since he was a rookie..

Patterns are forming here, not just w/Kerr's development or lack thereof, but with a certain kind of draftee: if you dont play in college, you are likely going to struggle in the NBA. Wiseman and Kuminga are the easy ones, but look at Jalen Green, Scoot Henderson, Dyson Daniels.. all the lotto picks from the Ignite are stumbling out of the gate

Hell, OTE has a better track record and I can only recall 2 draftees from there (Thompson twins)
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#163 » by Impuniti » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:13 pm

Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.

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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#164 » by marthafokker » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:05 pm

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marthafokker wrote:JK at PF is just stupid. He is shorter than Wiggs and Klay.

If he fails, he should fail at SF. Why not just put GP2 at PF and be done with it?

If you're a SF without a reliable 3 ball, youd better be elite at something.. GP2 is an elite defender, but Kuminga has nothing to hang his hat on. There has been minimal progression since he was a rookie..

Patterns are forming here, not just w/Kerr's development or lack thereof, but with a certain kind of draftee: if you dont play in college, you are likely going to struggle in the NBA. Wiseman and Kuminga are the easy ones, but look at Jalen Green, Scoot Henderson, Dyson Daniels.. all the lotto picks from the Ignite are stumbling out of the gate

Hell, OTE has a better track record and I can only recall 2 draftees from there (Thompson twins)


JRich didn't have a reliable anything until he left the Warriors. Yet, he got a chance to practice his skills instead of being jerk around. Not saying JK will succeed given an opportunity, but even jerking around Klay at PF is a joke. That is not coaching.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#165 » by cpower » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:11 pm

Dom801e wrote:I would like to see how Moody and Klay swapping roles and TDJ taking Kuminga’s minutes worked.

Steph-Wiggins-Moody-Dray get 30 min
Klay-Looney-Saric get 25 min
CP3-GP2-TDJ get 20 min

good call with this lineup our TOs will be down by 2 every game. Probably not what Kerr wants though
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#166 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:14 pm

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marthafokker wrote:JK at PF is just stupid. He is shorter than Wiggs and Klay.

If he fails, he should fail at SF. Why not just put GP2 at PF and be done with it?

If you're a SF without a reliable 3 ball, youd better be elite at something.. GP2 is an elite defender, but Kuminga has nothing to hang his hat on. There has been minimal progression since he was a rookie..

Patterns are forming here, not just w/Kerr's development or lack thereof, but with a certain kind of draftee: if you dont play in college, you are likely going to struggle in the NBA. Wiseman and Kuminga are the easy ones, but look at Jalen Green, Scoot Henderson, Dyson Daniels.. all the lotto picks from the Ignite are stumbling out of the gate

Hell, OTE has a better track record and I can only recall 2 draftees from there (Thompson twins)


JRich didn't have a reliable anything until he left the Warriors. Yet, he got a chance to practice his skills instead of being jerk around. Not saying JK will succeed given an opportunity, but even jerking around Klay at PF is a joke. That is not coaching.


Jrich only became reliable when he dribbled less, and he did that the second he left the Warriors.. but I agree, putting Klay at PF was never going to work. Once it became obvious that Klay and Curry both need to be hidden on defense, thats when Kerr should have started staggering them. And if that means Klay starts the game, ok, but no harm in giving him and Moody 24 minutes each since Kerr doesnt want to overlap them. And that 24m would just be a baseline, if one gets hot, they get up to 32 while the other gets have a half-day
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Post#167 » by HiRez » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:27 pm

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EvanZ wrote:All Kerr has to do is give Moody 20+ minutes consistently and bench CoJo. It's really not that hard. Kerr makes it so much harder than it is folks. It is so obvious that Moody should be ahead of JK in the rotation.

why is jk even getting minutes? Feel like TJD would be a better fit with Saric and cp3 and Moody would provide more spacing and better defense. But for some reason JK is penciled in minutes but Moody isn't.

He was terrible but he played TEN minutes and wasn't blocking Moses. Kuminga's minutes aren't taking away from Moody's, Klay's and Wiggin's are (maybe even CP and GP2 with some of Kerr's goofy 3-guard lineups). Position estimates have Kuminga playing 91% of the time at PF while Moody plays 99% at SF (65%) and SG (34%). Kuminga also has to get a little consistent run because they are probably still hoping to use him in a trade—arguable whether his play is helping his trade value but being stapled to the bench is almost always bad.

I do want to see more TJD though, and he played well against Sabonis in the preseason game so I don't know why he didn't get a shot in this one.
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Post#168 » by EvanZ » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:33 pm

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EvanZ wrote:All Kerr has to do is give Moody 20+ minutes consistently and bench CoJo. It's really not that hard. Kerr makes it so much harder than it is folks. It is so obvious that Moody should be ahead of JK in the rotation.

why is jk even getting minutes? Feel like TJD would be a better fit with Saric and cp3 and Moody would provide more spacing and better defense. But for some reason JK is penciled in minutes but Moody isn't.

He was terrible but he played TEN minutes and wasn't blocking Moses. Kuminga's minutes aren't taking away from Moody's, Klay's and Wiggin's are (maybe even CP and GP2 with some of Kerr's goofy 3-guard lineups). Position estimates have Kuminga playing 91% of the time at PF while Moody plays 99% at SF (65%) and SG (34%). Kuminga also has to get a little consistent run because they are probably still hoping to use him in a trade—arguable whether his play is helping is trade value but being stapled to the bench is almost always bad.

I do want to see more TJD though, and he played well against Sabonis in the preseason game so I don't know why he didn't get a shot in this one.


I mean he is literally blocking Moody's minutes if he's in the rotation before Moody. They had CP3, Saric, GPII and Kuminga off the bench first. The one that shouldn't be taking Moody's minutes from that group is...wait for it...wait for it...

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Post#169 » by HiRez » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:37 pm

EvanZ wrote:
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Onus wrote:why is jk even getting minutes? Feel like TJD would be a better fit with Saric and cp3 and Moody would provide more spacing and better defense. But for some reason JK is penciled in minutes but Moody isn't.

He was terrible but he played TEN minutes and wasn't blocking Moses. Kuminga's minutes aren't taking away from Moody's, Klay's and Wiggin's are (maybe even CP and GP2 with some of Kerr's goofy 3-guard lineups). Position estimates have Kuminga playing 91% of the time at PF while Moody plays 99% at SF (65%) and SG (34%). Kuminga also has to get a little consistent run because they are probably still hoping to use him in a trade—arguable whether his play is helping is trade value but being stapled to the bench is almost always bad.

I do want to see more TJD though, and he played well against Sabonis in the preseason game so I don't know why he didn't get a shot in this one.


I mean he is literally blocking Moody's minutes if he's in the rotation before Moody. They had CP3, Saric, GPII and Kuminga off the bench first. The one that shouldn't be taking Moody's minutes from that group is...wait for it...wait for it...

KUMINGA

I agree Moody should be coming in sooner, or hell, even starting, but that's Kerr's dumb/stubborn decisions on rotations. I don't see why Kuminga is getting all the hate for blocking Moody when Kerr could easily fix it if he wanted to.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#170 » by Coxy » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:08 am

Warriors new problem: GPII torn calf, likely out for months.
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Post#171 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:12 am

Coxy wrote:Warriors new problem: GPII torn calf, likely out for months.


1-2 months, 4-8 weeks is most likely w/info we have now. Probably closer to the 8 weeks than the 4.. if I had to guess
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#172 » by SpreeChokeJob » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:13 am

HiRez wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
HiRez wrote:He was terrible but he played TEN minutes and wasn't blocking Moses. Kuminga's minutes aren't taking away from Moody's, Klay's and Wiggin's are (maybe even CP and GP2 with some of Kerr's goofy 3-guard lineups). Position estimates have Kuminga playing 91% of the time at PF while Moody plays 99% at SF (65%) and SG (34%). Kuminga also has to get a little consistent run because they are probably still hoping to use him in a trade—arguable whether his play is helping is trade value but being stapled to the bench is almost always bad.

I do want to see more TJD though, and he played well against Sabonis in the preseason game so I don't know why he didn't get a shot in this one.


I mean he is literally blocking Moody's minutes if he's in the rotation before Moody. They had CP3, Saric, GPII and Kuminga off the bench first. The one that shouldn't be taking Moody's minutes from that group is...wait for it...wait for it...

KUMINGA

I agree Moody should be coming in sooner, or hell, even starting, but that's Kerr's dumb/stubborn decisions on rotations. I don't see why Kuminga is getting all the hate for blocking Moody when Kerr could easily fix it if he wanted to.

Kerr can’t fix squat. His default strategy is to go smaller, but there is a flaw in that thinking.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#173 » by marthafokker » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:22 am

Moody going to play PF now?
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Post#174 » by WarriorGM » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:45 am

Coxy wrote:Warriors new problem: GPII torn calf, likely out for months.


More minutes for Moody.
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Post#175 » by DonaldSanders » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:03 am

I know it's too little too late but at least Steve is saying it publicly. I really hope Steve sees the light at some point with regards to needing to blend the young guys more.


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Post#176 » by watch1958 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:12 am

Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.

So soon? Only if he signs a Looneyesque extension.
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Post#177 » by SpreeS » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:15 am

DonaldSanders wrote:I know it's too little too late but at least Steve is saying it publicly. I really hope Steve sees the light at some point with regards to needing to blend the young guys more.


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Post#178 » by Onus » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:26 am

DonaldSanders wrote:I know it's too little too late but at least Steve is saying it publicly. I really hope Steve sees the light at some point with regards to needing to blend the young guys more.


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Post#179 » by Impuniti » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:43 am

Feels more like he did it because of the media **** that followed through. The video of him explaining the situation has like 6 million views on twitter.

Kerr looks like the most clueless guy in the NBA after last night.
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Post#180 » by Coxy » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:46 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
Coxy wrote:Warriors new problem: GPII torn calf, likely out for months.


1-2 months, 4-8 weeks is most likely w/info we have now. Probably closer to the 8 weeks than the 4.. if I had to guess


Brutal.

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