PG Heat - Win

[Jez2983]

Just as an aside I hope people saw in the second? when we an offball foul got called with us on offense and Giannis just swished a three from a couple of metres like it was nothing after the play had stopped. Old mate can shoot, just seemingly not under pressure.

[Plossum]

The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.

I am one
I'm wavering a tad but still think AJ has elite shooting potential (>40% on volume) in the NBA. He just need some time to see if that's the case. Problem he goes out there for 2mins, misses a shot and Griff yanks him. He's no elite defender but he's not killing us either. I don't get why we can run sets where he runs around a lot to warp defences and open so stuff up for other guys (and hit a shot when he does get open).

I'll concede that Beas's stellar form as late has kinda killed any hopes of AJ playing. All I'm saying is, where's the harm in playing AJ say 10mins a game for a 10-15 game stretch to see if there's something there? We need someone like him, AJax or Marjon to work out moving forward and we're only gonna know if we actually take some lumps and play them a bit (for better or worse).

[drdrG]

I'm also a big AJ Green fan. 4 games of tough shooting luck is not a reason to give up on a guy who has been an elite shooter at every level. He plays within the team concept, has made some nice cuts and passes, is a good rebounder and even though he won't be a plus defender, he also isn't a huge negative. If he goes 7/9 from 3 over the next 4 games, would that be reason to play him big minutes?

I know we aren't the trust the process team in the league but if I need an open shot to fall it's Dame, Midds, Beas and AJ in the top tier on this team by a mile. Green has been mostly taking wide-open shots. Regression to the mean will see several of those shots fall.

Forbes made some valuable contributions to that title team even though he was limited. It's not hard for me to imagine Green imitating that.

[tedbrogen]

Rewatched the last five minutes and here’s the defense play by play breakdown:
- Lowry/Bam PnR, Midds gets beat back door ball watching 2pts
- Giannis strips Bam on an ISO
- Giannis strip JJ on drive but ball goes out, Dame gets stuck on moving Bam screen on OOB play for Lowry corner three 3pts
- Dame switched into JJ ISO and forces a travel
- Lowry/Bam PnR that Beas/Brrok defend well, Bam takes a long two and Beas does a fantastic job taking the rebound away from Lowry
- Lowry/Bam PnR from better angle, Brook gets caught out too far and Bam fouled at the rim 2pts
- JJ gets Giannis off balance in drive swings to Richardson who drives and dishes to Bam for an easy two 2pts
- Lowry/Bam side PnR that Dame ices, but Brook is unable to alter Lowry’s layup 2pts
- ATO play for Robinson around three screens that Beas does his best to get through but Robinson gets an open look and misses. For some reason Dame was the one on the inbounder and the Bucks had a time out left, so not sure why no defensive subs and why the shortest guy is on the inbounder there. I dunno, AG might be legit stupid
- Richardson desperation heave that Beas contests

10 possessions, 11 points. Not bad although probably should have been 14 because they gave Robinson an open look but I guess the Lowry three could have been zero if Bam was called for the moving screen

[tedbrogen]

Before doing that breakdown, I was going to say the Bucks wouldn’t have held up against the Heat at the end if they had Jimmy or Herro available to run the offense at the end but they ran Lowry/Bam PnR 4 times and got 6 points, so 1.5PPP. Not sure that’s automatically higher with someone else running it.

The meat on the bone for the Bucks is the dumb stuff AG is still doing, like refusing to giving Dre more minutes despite him easily looking like the most impactful player on the bench, the refusal to sub offense/defense at end of games in the last minute or two when they have timeouts, and continuing to have second quarter lineups with none of Dame/Giannis/Midds out there.

[BigO]

The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.

I am one
I'm wavering a tad but still think AJ has elite shooting potential (>40% on volume) in the NBA. He just need some time to see if that's the case. Problem he goes out there for 2mins, misses a shot and Griff yanks him. He's no elite defender but he's not killing us either. I don't get why we can run sets where he runs around a lot to warp defences and open so stuff up for other guys (and hit a shot when he does get open).

I'll concede that Beas's stellar form as late has kinda killed any hopes of AJ playing. All I'm saying is, where's the harm in playing AJ say 10mins a game for a 10-15 game stretch to see if there's something there? We need someone like him, AJax or Marjon to work out moving forward and we're only gonna know if we actually take some lumps and play them a bit (for better or worse).

Ya, what's amazing is giving up on a player who plays 2 minutes at a time. Sheesh.

[DingleJerry]

Put me in the skeptical on Green camp. Ya'll know I'm the biggest 'shooting is huge' type guy probably here but I just doubt he could hold up in real mins against starters in playoffs. I'm sure he can hold up in spot mins like he did last year during the dregs of regular season but really doubt he'll ever be a rotation player in the NBA.

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if given a chance he could find a niche because I have no doubt he'd be an elite shooter, and in today's nba they've skewed everything to O and 3s. But what we need right now isn't really more O, its athleticism on D.

Caveat: unless he finds his way to Miami, they'd find a way to use him and him not to be a liability on D. Really his best thing would probably to get to a crap team like the Wiz/Spurs that lets him shoot and looks ok and can get a legit contract from someone like Bayless did

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

But that is his role, to sit most of the game and come in to make shots at certain spots. Many players have done this role to perfection and created careers out of it.

veterans can operate like that but young guys who havent cut their teeth usually need a little confidence from their coach before they can have confidence in their shot. ajj has got some burn in every game and even started a few and look whats going on with him now

AJJ has looked great from day 1. He makes mistakes as all young players do but he has come in for a minute or two at times and made an impact on the game. AJ Green only does something when we are down 30 or up 30.


HE IS F***ING TRASH.....TRASH. Nobody can tell me different. AJ GREEN is trash. Worst defender on the team, one trick pony and can't even do that one trick.

maybe maybe not. a shooter who so far has had a better start shooting than dame had in his first 82 minutes of the season is hard to define for me

i love ajj too. but i was talking about his shooting and shooting alone. giving him solid runs and starting him some has been a good move on AGs part clearly for his confidence. he triggers it and hes made a few. good stuff

love to see AJ get some time eventually this season. like a good 10 game strecth kind of like how we handled nwora last year

[midranger]

One thing I’ve noticed. About half the time, Giannis rolls with his back facing Dame. He should be rolling with his chest facing Dame 100% of the time. Ready to catch the bal, always.

[Jez2983]

One thing I’ve noticed. About half the time, Giannis rolls with his back facing Dame. He should be rolling with his chest facing Dame 100% of the time. Ready to catch the bal, always.

Because he is used to catching lobs? We have heavily utilised lobs to him over his career.

[randy84]

Development Guys Defensive Ratings:
AJ Green 109.8
Andre Jackson Jr. 114.2
MarJon Beauchamp 117.3

[Siefer]

Before doing that breakdown, I was going to say the Bucks wouldn’t have held up against the Heat at the end if they had Jimmy or Herro available to run the offense at the end but they ran Lowry/Bam PnR 4 times and got 6 points, so 1.5PPP. Not sure that’s automatically higher with someone else running it.

The meat on the bone for the Bucks is the dumb stuff AG is still doing, like refusing to giving Dre more minutes despite him easily looking like the most impactful player on the bench, the refusal to sub offense/defense at end of games in the last minute or two when they have timeouts, and continuing to have second quarter lineups with none of Dame/Giannis/Midds out there.

I'd add meeting random guys 40 feet from the hoop, gambling for steals, and letting teams rotate us upsidedown. But yeah, this stuff is fixable.

[BigO]

Development Guys Defensive Ratings:
AJ Green 109.8
Andre Jackson Jr. 114.2
MarJon Beauchamp 117.3

Stop trying to oppose a false narrative with facts.

[tedbrogen]

Development Guys Defensive Ratings:
AJ Green 109.8
Andre Jackson Jr. 114.2
MarJon Beauchamp 117.3

There’s definitely sample size issues that I’d love to get sorted out by just tossing a bunch of minutes at all three (especially with Crowder and Pat out and Midds still limited) to see if they sink or swim.

[randy84]

The AJ Green truthers who want to force feed him development minutes on a contender will never cease to amaze me. When he isn't hitting shots, he's an absolutely useless basketball player. Him and Livingston where basically signed as easily waivable salary fodder to open up roster spots. I doubt he's on the team in February.

thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me

Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo

Last time Dre started:

Off Rtg: 88.5 Def Rtg: 130.8 Net Rtg: -42.3 against Portland.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1641748/boxscores-advanced

[tedbrogen]

One thing I’ve noticed. About half the time, Giannis rolls with his back facing Dame. He should be rolling with his chest facing Dame 100% of the time. Ready to catch the bal, always.

Because he is used to catching lobs? We have heavily utilised lobs to him over his career.

Yep, the only guy who could feed him in the PnR was Midds and he almost always threw a lob.

It’s part of the learning to play with Dame process.

Meanwhile, Brook seems to already have PnR synergy with Dame.

[tedbrogen]

thinking any of the young guys could actually start is funny to me

Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo

Last time Dre started:

Off Rtg: 88.5 Def Rtg: 130.8 Net Rtg: -42.3 against Portland.

Wasn’t half the team hung over for the first three quarters that game? Like they were down 26 late in the third. Not sure that’s all on the one guy we are sure was not at the club the night before a noon game.

[randy84]

Dre can start over Beasley pretty easily imo

Last time Dre started:

Off Rtg: 88.5 Def Rtg: 130.8 Net Rtg: -42.3 against Portland.

Wasn’t half the team hung over for the first three quarters that game? Like they were down 26 late in the third. Not sure that’s all on the one guy we are sure was not at the club the night before a noon game.

Just as a comparison. Beasley, the supposed instigator of the party:

Off Rtg: 120.8 Def Rtg: 98.7 Net Rtg: 22.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627736/boxscores-advanced

I guess some guys play better hungover.

[tedbrogen]

Last time Dre started:

Off Rtg: 88.5 Def Rtg: 130.8 Net Rtg: -42.3 against Portland.

Wasn’t half the team hung over for the first three quarters that game? Like they were down 26 late in the third. Not sure that’s all on the one guy we are sure was not at the club the night before a noon game.

Just as a comparison. Beasley, the supposed instigator of the party:

Off Rtg: 120.8 Def Rtg: 98.7 Net Rtg: 22.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627736/boxscores-advanced

I guess some guys play better hungover.

Beas got to be out there in the fourth quarter. Dre didn’t. Apple. Oranges. One game net rating and all that as well.

[randy84]

Wasn’t half the team hung over for the first three quarters that game? Like they were down 26 late in the third. Not sure that’s all on the one guy we are sure was not at the club the night before a noon game.

Just as a comparison. Beasley, the supposed instigator of the party:

Off Rtg: 120.8 Def Rtg: 98.7 Net Rtg: 22.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627736/boxscores-advanced

I guess some guys play better hungover.

Beas got to be out there in the fourth quarter. Dre didn’t. Apple. Oranges. One game net rating and all that as well.

No, he didn't earn it that game. But hopefully moving forward he earns more playing time.