PG Bulls - Loss

[raferfenix]

This kind of loss against this bad of a team where you can squarely put the blame on coaching with the media catching onto what’s been going on despite our record makes it more likely the Bucks bail on Griffin.

That’s doubly so if Dame and / or Giannis are saying things behind the scenes much less playing less motivated than they would otherwise.

[PG Graveyard]

Griff isn't getting fired any time soon. Not after a 13-6 start. It is what it is and we need to stop being naive. At this point the best course of action is to make a minor trade for a defensive wing that doesn't compromise the core, get healthy for the playoffs, and ride it out until you replace him in 2024. Horst is gonna have to work some trade machine magic and turn Pat, Bobby, Marjon, AJJ, Livingston, AJ Green, Portland 2nd, etc. into 1-2 of the following guys listed below, cuz we need as many veteran, smart defenders as possible right now.

PJ Tucker
Marcus Smart
DFS
Caruso
Royce O'Neal
Thybulle
Kenrich Williams
Alec Burks
DiVincenzo
Gary Harris
Herb Jones
Jeff Green

Yeah we definitely need to add a defender to this roster and make it as **** as possible like we did for Bud in 2021. It would be nice if one time we got the innovative, smart, whiny coach like Nurse

[rayallenscalves]

I don't care what their record is or what the advanced metrics may say, Griffin is a baaaaaad coach. Full stop.

[Ron Swanson]

Lot of wishful projecting with the Dame/Giannis stuff. These dudes just went through a stretch of how many straight games averaging 30+ a piece and looking like the most dominant duo in the league, but now they're back to quiet quitting and self-sabotaging the team to get Griff fired? Yea....no.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Boy marjon has really fallen out of grace with alot of you.Maybe bud saw something in him that we all are seeing this year.

I just don't think there's much to see with him and I thought that last year too. Someone recently said he's like rookie year Giannis but 4 years older and 4 inches shorter and that was pretty much the perfect way of describing how he looks on the court.

[MiltownHawkeye]

This kind of loss against this bad of a team where you can squarely put the blame on coaching with the media catching onto what’s been going on despite our record makes it more likely the Bucks bail on Griffin.

Yeah this is why I don't buy into the whole "we're not firing Griff at 13-6 so stop talking about it" thing. It's one thing if a coach is getting slammed by solely by diehard fans for not playing random 2 round rookie #3853 more minutes or for minor scheme things, it's another thing when our coaching malpractice is getting talked about by national media guys.

Even Jason Kidd didn't get this much **** from outside the Bucks Fandom.

Not to mention no one is buying our 13-6 record anyway.

[Ron Swanson]

Griff isn't getting fired any time soon. Not after a 13-6 start. It is what it is and we need to stop being naive. At this point the best course of action is to make a minor trade for a defensive wing that doesn't compromise the core, get healthy for the playoffs, and ride it out until you replace him in 2024. Horst is gonna have to work some trade machine magic and turn Pat, Bobby, Marjon, AJJ, Livingston, AJ Green, Portland 2nd, etc. into 1-2 of the following guys listed below, cuz we need as many veteran, smart defenders as possible right now.

PJ Tucker
Marcus Smart
DFS
Caruso
Royce O'Neal
Thybulle
Kenrich Williams
Alec Burks
DiVincenzo
Gary Harris
Herb Jones
Jeff Green

Yeah we definitely need to add a defender to this roster and make it as **** as possible like we did for Bud in 2021. It would be nice if one time we got the innovative, smart, whiny coach like Nurse

Even with the juxtaposition of his Bucks career being sandwiched between two egregiously ill-equipped HC's, the lengths some of you guys go to project Bud as a doofus coach who simply lucked into success is weird as ****. Equally weird as the continued Nurse adulation/worship.

[sidney lanier]

What confuses me about the nearly universal attitude of despair here after a few close wins and one bad loss is the mismatch between "let's give them a month or two to learn how to play together" and the fire-the-coach-because-the-defense-sucks sentiment.

What exactly did you think the adjustment period would look like? Good basketball on both ends of the court but just getting outplayed? That's not what a period of adjustment is.

It's the ugly duckling we see now. It may or may not eventually emerge as a swan, but it's a little too early to throw it in a pot and make duck soup. Or swan soup.

[engelmartin]

It Takes Balls To Fire Your First Year Head Coach 19 games into the Season!

Isn’t it kind of ironic that when we finally did get a good draft pick it was wasted on Jabari Parker?

[MiltownHawkeye]

What confuses me about the nearly universal attitude of despair here after a few close wins and one bad loss is the mismatch between "let's give them a month or two to learn how to play together" and the fire-the-coach-because-the-defense-sucks sentiment.

What exactly did you think the adjustment period would look like? Good basketball on both ends of the court but just getting outplayed? That's not what a period of adjustment is.

It's the ugly duckling we see now. It may or may not eventually emerge as a swan, but it's a little too early to throw it in a pot and make duck soup. Or swan soup.

I hear where you're coming from here. If you told people we were going to be 13-6 before the season I don't think there'd be that much concern, but if you actually ask someone what those 6 losses should look like and it becomes trickier. Would be be better if we were soundly beating the Bulls, Hornets etc and losing to all the good teams? Or vice-versa? We'd still have 6 miserable PG threads if that happened.

That said, there has to be a world where we're 13-6, don't have one of the worst defenses in the league, and don't have a disinterested-looking Damian Lillard who could very easily ask out of all this.

[sidney lanier]

That said, there has to be a world where we're 13-6, don't have one of the worst defenses in the league, and don't have a disinterested-looking Damian Lillard who could very easily ask out of all this.

Lillard's attitude and level of engagement are fine. He has what I call the Henry Aaron problem in that he plays under control, doesn't appear to be all out, and lacks the flash of a Willie Mays.

When I was a kid Aaron was my hero, and it stung me when the press, with what I now know included a tinge of racism, used to get on him for apparently dogging it because of the way he ran and the ease with which he played the outfield.

Lillard will never be a frenetic presence on the court, but I see no signs of him checking out.

[JayMKE]

Griff isn't getting fired any time soon. Not after a 13-6 start. It is what it is and we need to stop being naive. At this point the best course of action is to make a minor trade for a defensive wing that doesn't compromise the core, get healthy for the playoffs, and ride it out until you replace him in 2024. Horst is gonna have to work some trade machine magic and turn Pat, Bobby, Marjon, AJJ, Livingston, AJ Green, Portland 2nd, etc. into 1-2 of the following guys listed below, cuz we need as many veteran, smart defenders as possible right now.

PJ Tucker
Marcus Smart
DFS
Caruso
Royce O'Neal
Thybulle
Kenrich Williams
Alec Burks
DiVincenzo
Gary Harris
Herb Jones
Jeff Green

Do you really believe our issues are more personnel than coaching scheme tho? I'm hesitant to commit anything more to this season with a lame duck coach brutal as that is so early on, our assets are limited and short of bringing in Lebron I don't think anybody is going to be able to fix this team with Griffin at helm. Giannis and Dame might be talented enough to advance in the playoffs thru shear force of will but won't have a realistic shot at the finals, they could make the 2nd rd or ECF then we'd probably be stuck with Griffin. Horst should be plotting ways to be the team that drafts/signs Bronny James, not even joking. Whats the best piece we could target next offseason after hopefully Griffin gets sh*tcanned and assuming we saved our limited assets?

[JimmyTheKid]

That said, there has to be a world where we're 13-6, don't have one of the worst defenses in the league, and don't have a disinterested-looking Damian Lillard who could very easily ask out of all this.

Lillard's attitude and level of engagement are fine. He has what I call the Henry Aaron problem in that he plays under control, doesn't appear to be all out, and lacks the flash of a Willie Mays.

When I was a kid Aaron was my hero, and it stung me when the press, with what I now know included a tinge of racism, used to get on him for apparently dogging it because of the way he ran and the ease with which he played the outfield.

Lillard will never be a frenetic presence on the court, but I see no signs of him checking out.

Yeah, the whole "Dame is checked out" thing continues to be an extremely odd assessment.

[Sigra]

What exactly did you think the adjustment period would look like?

Adjusting the offensive game (because we finally have a real playmaker) with an emphasis on the cooperation of 2 stars, while retaining what worked (defense). A complete change of one of the best defenses is insanity.

[Matches Malone]

Does energy and effort ever come back on the coaching? That seems to be Griffin's go-to excuse now but I have a hard time believing this team is dogging it night in and night out. Sure, you might get some lulls now and then, but to continually come out looking so flat, at some point, I'm going to be thinking Griff isn't getting these guys ready enough.

[PG Graveyard]

Griff isn't getting fired any time soon. Not after a 13-6 start. It is what it is and we need to stop being naive. At this point the best course of action is to make a minor trade for a defensive wing that doesn't compromise the core, get healthy for the playoffs, and ride it out until you replace him in 2024. Horst is gonna have to work some trade machine magic and turn Pat, Bobby, Marjon, AJJ, Livingston, AJ Green, Portland 2nd, etc. into 1-2 of the following guys listed below, cuz we need as many veteran, smart defenders as possible right now.

PJ Tucker
Marcus Smart
DFS
Caruso
Royce O'Neal
Thybulle
Kenrich Williams
Alec Burks
DiVincenzo
Gary Harris
Herb Jones
Jeff Green

Yeah we definitely need to add a defender to this roster and make it as **** as possible like we did for Bud in 2021. It would be nice if one time we got the innovative, smart, whiny coach like Nurse

Even with the juxtaposition of his Bucks career being sandwiched between two egregiously ill-equipped HC's, the lengths some of you guys go to project Bud as a doofus coach who simply lucked into success is weird as ****. Equally weird as the continued Nurse adulation/worship.

I mean Bud was a toe away from being **** canned in 2021 like he should have.

[Daver]

We are facing bottom feeding teams, most of which are missing their #1 and/or #2 best players and barely scraping by with a win. I think this loss was needed so the team doesn't feel comfortable playing with their food for three quarters every game.

Still pathetic and maddening in so many ways.

I think 13-6 is downright pathetic when you had the 5th easiest schedule in the NBA with that schedule should be 15-4

[Daver]

I don't care what their record is or what the advanced metrics may say, Griffin is a baaaaaad coach. Full stop.

Absolutely agree i think an aversge to good coach after 19 games would be smart enough to make dame the main ball handler and have some form of O scheme and a average to good coach have a D scheme to fit the players by now not running the sane thing over n over and expecting different results(definition of insanity)

[Daver]

This kind of loss against this bad of a team where you can squarely put the blame on coaching with the media catching onto what’s been going on despite our record makes it more likely the Bucks bail on Griffin.

Yeah this is why I don't buy into the whole "we're not firing Griff at 13-6 so stop talking about it" thing. It's one thing if a coach is getting slammed by solely by diehard fans for not playing random 2 round rookie #3853 more minutes or for minor scheme things, it's another thing when our coaching malpractice is getting talked about by national media guys.

Even Jason Kidd didn't get this much **** from outside the Bucks Fandom.

Not to mention no one is buying our 13-6 record anyway.

Exactly with the 5th easiest schedule to

[German Athens]

We are facing bottom feeding teams, most of which are missing their #1 and/or #2 best players and barely scraping by with a win. I think this loss was needed so the team doesn't feel comfortable playing with their food for three quarters every game.

Still pathetic and maddening in so many ways.

I think 13-6 is downright pathetic when you had the 5th easiest schedule in the NBA with that schedule should be 15-4

This is funny.