PG Bulls - Loss

[Neuromancer56]

This team has had a coasting problem for years. There is some selective memory going on.

With Bud we used to blow out teams on the regular. Sometimes we were up even 30 or 40 points until we put the scrubs in. Under Griff we barely scrape by against bottom-feeders resting their stars. This is not selective memory. Yes we had occasional lapses under Bud, but we didn't continually barely survive every game.

[emunney]

This team has had a coasting problem for years. There is some selective memory going on.

With Bud we used to blow out teams on the regular. Sometimes we were up even 30 or 40 points until we put the scrubs in. Under Griff we barely scrape by against bottom-feeders resting their stars. This is not selective memory. Yes we had occasional lapses under Bud, but we didn't continually barely survive every game.

I feel like that was much more of a pre-Jrue Bud era thing. The teams that didn't know how to play in tight situations because they were constantly putting games out of reach by the 4th quarter.

[Neuromancer56]

Happy first of December. Only six months until the playoffs start!

(R-E-L-A-X)

We are getting bounced in the 1st or 2nd round if we still have Griff.

[SirChurros]

This team has had a coasting problem for years. There is some selective memory going on.

With Bud we used to blow out teams on the regular. Sometimes we were up even 30 or 40 points until we put the scrubs in. Under Griff we barely scrape by against bottom-feeders resting their stars. This is not selective memory. Yes we had occasional lapses under Bud, but we didn't continually barely survive every game.

Yeah anyone trying to compare this to the Bud years needs to put down the crack pipe. We rarely looked this incompetent during the regular season under Bud.

[DingleJerry]

This team has had a coasting problem for years. There is some selective memory going on.

With Bud we used to blow out teams on the regular. Sometimes we were up even 30 or 40 points until we put the scrubs in. Under Griff we barely scrape by against bottom-feeders resting their stars. This is not selective memory. Yes we had occasional lapses under Bud, but we didn't continually barely survive every game.

I feel like that was much more of a pre-Jrue Bud era thing. The teams that didn't know how to play in tight situations because they were constantly putting games out of reach by the 4th quarter.

Yea the team was a reg season juggernaut prior to the covid stoppage. Betting MKE whenever they were less than a 10 pt fave vs non elite team was the easiest bet you could make. At some point I counted it out and they hit around 80% of the time.

It was of course less the last couple years and more blips on the radar than pre-covid but as someone else said it never looked like this. The team record right now is covering things up, they've pulled several games out of their A in the 4th or they'd be sitting around .500. Dame/Giannis outtalenting is covering up how bad things are systems/structurally which is likely to kill them in the playoffs. Of course playoffs are so far away lots can change but if it continues with as is (playing like trash then just hoping Dame/Giannis saves them in the 4th) is not a likely recipe for success come May/June

[jute2003]

The team certainly looks more disjointed this year and I'm not defending Griffin.

To say bud always had them blowing out teams is just bull though. They've played down to the competition for years and coasted for weeks at a time. They've also had rough patches where they looked like absolute **** for extended periods and eeked out ugly wins.

[greekbuck34]

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[skones]

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At least promising?

[emunney]

With Bud we used to blow out teams on the regular. Sometimes we were up even 30 or 40 points until we put the scrubs in. Under Griff we barely scrape by against bottom-feeders resting their stars. This is not selective memory. Yes we had occasional lapses under Bud, but we didn't continually barely survive every game.

I feel like that was much more of a pre-Jrue Bud era thing. The teams that didn't know how to play in tight situations because they were constantly putting games out of reach by the 4th quarter.

Yea the team was a reg season juggernaut prior to the covid stoppage. Betting MKE whenever they were less than a 10 pt fave vs non elite team was the easiest bet you could make. At some point I counted it out and they hit around 80% of the time.

It was of course less the last couple years and more blips on the radar than pre-covid but as someone else said it never looked like this. The team record right now is covering things up, they've pulled several games out of their A in the 4th or they'd be sitting around .500. Dame/Giannis outtalenting is covering up how bad things are systems/structurally which is likely to kill them in the playoffs. Of course playoffs are so far away lots can change but if it continues with as is (playing like trash then just hoping Dame/Giannis saves them in the 4th) is not a likely recipe for success come May/June

See, I kind of think the opposite about the playoffs -- systems break down and you have to rely on talent.

[DingleJerry]

I feel like that was much more of a pre-Jrue Bud era thing. The teams that didn't know how to play in tight situations because they were constantly putting games out of reach by the 4th quarter.

Yea the team was a reg season juggernaut prior to the covid stoppage. Betting MKE whenever they were less than a 10 pt fave vs non elite team was the easiest bet you could make. At some point I counted it out and they hit around 80% of the time.

It was of course less the last couple years and more blips on the radar than pre-covid but as someone else said it never looked like this. The team record right now is covering things up, they've pulled several games out of their A in the 4th or they'd be sitting around .500. Dame/Giannis outtalenting is covering up how bad things are systems/structurally which is likely to kill them in the playoffs. Of course playoffs are so far away lots can change but if it continues with as is (playing like trash then just hoping Dame/Giannis saves them in the 4th) is not a likely recipe for success come May/June

See, I kind of think the opposite about the playoffs -- systems break down and you have to rely on talent.

Not on defense imo. Offense I get what you mean, yea it comes down to a guy like Dame making something happen in half court. But what they're doing on D the chances of being alive vs good teams come the last 5 mins seems low.

[randy84]

It Takes Balls To Fire Your First Year Head Coach 19 games into the Season!

Isn’t it kind of ironic that when we finally did get a good draft pick it was wasted on Jabari Parker?

Share some of the photos you were able to snap of the Billboard going up.

SOB Easter egg: A Clear Channel salesman wanted to sell us the billboard, but later the Bucks got to them, and vetoed the sale. Kurty had the backup deal in place with Lamar. Lamar was also pressured, but their rep held firm to the contract, to his credit. However, Lamar knew that the process of putting up the billboard would be controversial.

Lamar told us the day it would go up, so Engel was supposed to be there to video it for us. But knowing how hot the issue was, Lamar workers were sent out a couple days early, without telling us. If I recall, Engel ran down there and they refused to let him record any of it.

Supreme should pitch a 30 for 30 to ESPN about this.

[paulpressey25]

The good news is that we’ve potentially got a major playoff test coming next week. The chance at three straight elimination games for the IST title. If Griff wins the IST, or the team even looks good in a finals loss, will feel much better. If we flame out against the Knicks, well…….

[skones]

See, I kind of think the opposite about the playoffs -- systems break down and you have to rely on talent.

We have Dame, he is a system by himself. On defense, every team has a structure their guys operate within. There can be alterations, there can be tweaks, there can be wrinkles, but the base defenses don't break down IMO.

[Ron Swanson]

I feel like that was much more of a pre-Jrue Bud era thing. The teams that didn't know how to play in tight situations because they were constantly putting games out of reach by the 4th quarter.

Yea the team was a reg season juggernaut prior to the covid stoppage. Betting MKE whenever they were less than a 10 pt fave vs non elite team was the easiest bet you could make. At some point I counted it out and they hit around 80% of the time.

It was of course less the last couple years and more blips on the radar than pre-covid but as someone else said it never looked like this. The team record right now is covering things up, they've pulled several games out of their A in the 4th or they'd be sitting around .500. Dame/Giannis outtalenting is covering up how bad things are systems/structurally which is likely to kill them in the playoffs. Of course playoffs are so far away lots can change but if it continues with as is (playing like trash then just hoping Dame/Giannis saves them in the 4th) is not a likely recipe for success come May/June

See, I kind of think the opposite about the playoffs -- systems break down and you have to rely on talent.

This. The playoffs are generally where the coach and GM get too much credit or too much blame. It's the GM's job to put together the best 7-8 players he can before mid-February, and it's the coach's main job to get roles established and schemes in place before April. It does suck that Griff has thus far looked ill-equipped to accomplish the latter, but once you get to the playoffs and these guys are finally going full steam, the gap in defenses shrinks as the intensity goes up, while the gap in offensive talent grows.

[MickeyDavis]

The good news is that we’ve potentially got a major playoff test coming next week. The chance at three straight elimination games for the IST title. If Griff wins the IST, or the team even looks good in a finals loss, will feel much better. If we flame out against the Knicks, well…….

Knicks/Boston/West team would be a great test. If we lose to the Knicks we get the loser of Boston/Indy, also a good test. Not sure where that game would be played. Both Indy and us are home for game 1, who would get the home game if we both lose I'm not sure. If Boston and us both lose I'd assume we'd play them at Boston since Boston is at Indy Monday night.

[th87]

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At least promising?

Pleasantly surprising, but let's see how it goes against non-Jordan Poole led teams.

[greekbuck34]

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At least promising?

Yeah it's not as bad as we think or atleast as it seems with the eye test overall. We did improve over the last few games but we need to do even better. Our second unit also gets destroyed lately from the opponents bench and the injuries don't help at all. Bud used to throw that responsibility to Giannis and let the starters (Jrue-Khris-Bobby-Lopez) to play more by themselves but it will be stupid to seperate Dame and Giannis when we seek chemistry between them.

[nagawicka]

The team certainly looks more disjointed this year and I'm not defending Griffin.

To say bud always had them blowing out teams is just bull though. They've played down to the competition for years and coasted for weeks at a time. They've also had rough patches where they looked like absolute **** for extended periods and eeked out ugly wins.

Accurate.

[rilamann]

Guys Bud never ever fouled up 3 either

Correct you are.

Last season under Bud the Bucks were up 3 in the final seconds of regulation against the Warriors.

But we lost in overtime because Bud thought it would be a better idea to let the greatest 3pt shooter in NBA history attempt the game tying 3 than it would be to take the foul.

I get the concerns with Griffin and I am not defending Griffin here.

But it's pretty interesting when the same people who act like firing was some sort of huge blunder, want Griffin's head on a platter for the same exact things we seen under Bud last season.

And I would argue that not fouling Steph Curry in the final seconds when you're up 3 is just a tad bit more egregious than not fouling Caruso or Vuc in that situation. Pretty sure anyone with a pulse and half a brain would too.

Bucks also lost in overtime in Chicago last season. A game in which we were up 2 with possession, with under 10 seconds left in regulation.

Like I have been saying since last season, Bud isn't the great coach some people think he is.

[nagawicka]

Every game that goes by that this team displays a complete lack of cohesion, discipline, and motivation the coaching job by Bud becomes that much more impressive. Time for people to accept that we weren't a juggernaut that should have won multple titles, but instead a middling 4/5 seed that Bud dragged to consistently the best record in the East and a championship. The 2015 Hawks are great evidence of that.

When we had the Bud firing debates back in May, had pointed out that teams that won multiple titles all had multiple HOF players. Bucks didn’t have that during his five year run.

GSW: Steph, Klay, Draymond, KD
Heat: LeBron, Bosh, Wade
Spurs: Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Kawhi, David Robinson
LAL I: Kobe, Shaq
LAL II: Kobe, Pau

Midds, Bledsoe and Jrue don’t equal the resumes of the guys above. Middleton played like Kawhi in 2021, but non-factor past two years due to injuries. Brook is approaching that status, but he’s a platoon situational guy.

Ya gots to put all our guys up against the HOF guys you're measuring them against. That sentence should read: "Midds, Giannis, Bledsoe and Jrue don't equal the resumes of the guys above." Set realistic expectations and they'll clap louder at the Fis-- Mecca Arena. Was that name not ok? Not enjoying the Fiserv corporate writing all over the court