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[tedbrogen]

I’d hold off on any trades until they find the new coach.

Yep. Doesn’t matter the players, if you’re going to play Giannis, Brook and Bobby out on the perimeter.

Bingo. If you’re having Brook guard the perimeter in the final seconds of a three point game, you probably are not a good coach.

[tedbrogen]

Does anybody know how much drop defense we've been using recently? I feel like that was something we were going to get back to but it seems like I keep seeing Brook out on the perimeter as the game goes on. Having multiple defensive looks isn't a bad thing, but then you need to be able to adjust the personnel out on the floor. Continuing to ask Brook to try and guard out there isn't working. Heck, asking Giannis to guard out there isn't working either lol.

Truly drop D? Zero. Brook dropping while everyone else still plays the stupid overly aggressive? A lot, mixed in with some zone.

True drop (at least Bud’s system) plays way off any shooter who isn’t above average on high attempts, played Giannis on the worst offensive player to let him be a free safety, and went under on screens unless the guy was a legit threat off the dribble shooter, and no one gambled for steals. If some below average shooters go on insane heaters, so be it because no one is scoring at the rim and you control the glass. It would literally be perfect for this roster because you just play the percentages and Dame/Giannis/Midds/Brook will easily outscore other teams if you force them into inefficient shots instead of constantly being in rotation.

[RiotPunch]

Also, calling it "naive" to think/hope that Horst might pull the plug on Griff in-season is, in itself, naive.

This is not Horst's guy, this is not ownership's guy-- this is Giannis' guy, and he sucks. Giannis has already butted heads with him. Stands to reason he might admit to being wrong there and welcome a change.

[paulpressey25]

The first mistake was having Griffin on the interview list. If they don't interview him, Giannis wouldn't have been conned by him. No need to interview someone with such an unsightly history.

Assuming Horst did this as a courtesy of Griffin being on the staff for those couple years. Maybe not.

That said, Giannis got us into this mess. I think he’s smart enough to know he (and Dame) have the power to get us out.

[BigO]

I've got as many criticisms of Griffin as most of you do.

But sports history is full of championship teams with bad coaches. Here's my optimistic take:

1) Talent usually (not always) rises to the top. The Bucks are talented, but could use more talent in specific areas. Get some defensive stoppers to make up for a lack of defensive talent and Griffin's insistence on playing his team in a scheme they aren't suited for.

2) One of the areas where I think Griffin is better than Bud is that he appears to be open to listen to players. I wish PJ was still on the team (although I think his on court talent has waned) because we need players to be vocal. It's happened already and needs to happen more, assuming there are players who see what's wrong with the defense.

3) The offense is good and should get better over time.


It's ironic that Griffin came in saying his forte was defense and yet the only thing working is the offense.


Lastly, I think posters should cut out the personal attacks on Griffin. Leave his kids, ex wife, grandkids, etc out of it. We don't know what is true or isn't. What we do know is the defense is bad.

[JayMKE]

The Bucks FO or Giannis obviously wanted a coach like Adrian Griffin, they looked at guys like Monty Williams & Mark Jackson & Doc Rivers too. Maybe that's Giannis, maybe they're just stupid MFers.

[Rstuedes24]

The correct move would be to realize the mistake and go talk to the Warriors and Heat and see if we can bring over Atkinson or Quinn. Kenny would be my first choice as someone with actual head coaching experience and the experience gained working under Kerr but man would Quinn be a great hire if he can bring some of the heat qualities here.

[MickeyDavis]

Lastly, I think posters should cut out the personal attacks on Griffin. Leave his kids, ex wife, grandkids, etc out of it. We don't know what is true or isn't. What we do know is the defense is bad.

This. There is plenty to talk about/criticize AG about without this stuff. I deleted some of the crap that was posted earlier.

[TroyD92]

Was trying to justify a Derozan trade, but I just couldnt do it.

Derozan for Khris is pretty interesting from a Bucks perspective (am i serious?), but there's zero chance the Bulls do it.

[TroyD92]

Some of you guys act like Giannis isn't a grown man with a questionable at best BBIQ. I don't think AG did any conning. Giannis probably wanted a guy like Kidd again and used his power to make it happen.

[MissKhriddleton]

2) One of the areas where I think Griffin is better than Bud is that he appears to be open to listen to players. I wish PJ was still on the team (although I think his on court talent has waned) because we need players to be vocal. It's happened already and needs to happen more, assuming there are players who see what's wrong with the defense.

The reason for this is either he doesn’t know what he’s doing or he knows his seat is hot already and any signs of a rift and his ass is getting canned. Lol either way.

[WiscoKing13]

It would be pretty funny if they fire Griffin and bring Stotts back in the fold to finish the season.

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[BUCKnation]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

Frankly, this is probably the biggest issue and no one seems to be discussing it outside of bucks fans.

[emunney]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

Frankly, this is probably the biggest issue and no one seems to be discussing it outside of bucks fans.

Very connected to undisciplined and over-aggressive perimeter defense.

[Frank Nova]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

Frankly, this is probably the biggest issue and no one seems to be discussing it outside of bucks fans.

Very connected to undisciplined and over-aggressive perimeter defense.

Beat me to it but when you have 2 of your 5 defenders chasing the perimeter and 2 of the other 3 chasing the corners trying to steal/deflect passes and you leave your big(s) chasing the last rotation player, the area for offensive rebounds is a huge gap that not even 7’ Giannis can fill with his length. Add to that Bobby Portis and his 4” vertical and concrete shoes Brook it shouldn’t be any surprise we’re getting absolutely embarrassed on a nightly basis in rebounds. It mainly stems from the amount of offensive rebounds we give up constantly. Undisciplined is a great word to use and probably still an understatement. I’d rather see a tighter 2-3 zone at this point to try and force tough shots from the perimeter to lower the amount of offensive rebounds we give up. Atleast when we lose it’ll be to a hot shooting team that just hit shots with hands in their faces and not this bull fighter defense we have currently installed that just allows the other teams constant open looks from everywhere in the half court.

[Ayt]

The drop in rebounds from 1st place to 20th seems fireable in itself.

Frankly, this is probably the biggest issue and no one seems to be discussing it outside of bucks fans.

They are 7th in DREB% so it isn't like they are getting killed on the defensive glass.

The Bucks are 27th in OREB%. They are currently 26th in giving up fast break points which means they aren't getting any offensive rebounds, and they also somehow aren't getting back on defense.

The issues with the halfcourt defense are pretty obvious to most of us, but the half assed transition defense drives me insane, especially since it is combined with terrible offensive rebounding. A team is fundamentally broken if they give up a ton of fastbreak points (and delayed transition points against an unset defense) while also not successfully crashing the offensive glass. Generally, you can pick one or the other.

Under Bud, the Bucks were great at getting back on D and setting their halfcourt defense after they missed a shot. Under Griffin, that aspect of the defense is a **** abomination and they aren't even benefiting from offensive rebounds where they are much, much worse than they were under Bud who mostly wanted the team to focus on getting back on D.

[BigO]

Bucks are 14th in rebound % Check out the prior 5 years. There is no direct correlation between being a top rebounding team and a championship. But the dramatic drop can't be explained as anything but a big negative. Here's the deal: Giannis has to be closer to the basket on defense and so does Bobby Portis. Their rebounding has suffered.

It wouldn't matter as much if Griffin's defense was working, but it isn't.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounding-percentage?date=2023-12-02

[soxperry]

at this point, how many people would **** themselves with joy if coach Bud just came running out of the tunnel one night and grabbed the clipboard out of Griff's hands?

[RiotPunch]

at this point, how many people would **** themselves with joy if coach Bud just came running out of the tunnel one night and grabbed the clipboard out of Griff's hands?

A WWE style firing of Griff would be awesome.

[JayMKE]

lol we must have a psychic connection, I was imagining Bud as Sting from WCW appearing in the rafters before I clicked this thread