PG Bulls - Loss

[greekbuck34]

You are out of your mind ghost. I'm glad you are atleast able of calming down after a while and realise you're stupid though as you said.

every once in a while i go off on an emotional tangent and i act stupid.

thats no different than anybody here except im one of the few that will admit it.

most of the other time im the first one to sniff the turd and my track record of it speaks for itself. i could give 10 examples. the guys that have been here long enough know it too. bump threads when major moves went down and look at my takes. i havent been wrong much. my big one was brandon knight but thats before i started to rely on the numbers i do now. learned a valuable lesson there that ive not repeated often since

Well you are having one now so I suggest of taking a break fella.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You are out of your mind ghost. I'm glad you are atleast able of calming down after a while and realise you're stupid though as you said.

every once in a while i go off on an emotional tangent and i act stupid.

thats no different than anybody here except im one of the few that will admit it.

most of the other time im the first one to sniff the turd and my track record of it speaks for itself. i could give 10 examples. the guys that have been here long enough know it too. bump threads when major moves went down and look at my takes. i havent been wrong much. my big one was brandon knight but thats before i started to rely on the numbers i do now. learned a valuable lesson there that ive not repeated often since

Well you are having one now so I suggest of taking a break fella.

this is not an emotional tangent. ive been a massive bitch about this from the minute i found out he was fired 6 months ago.

and prefer not to point fingers at individuals of this like youre doing so maybe you take the break

in the meantime id love to "discuss" this just not with people that challenge my intellect over it when there is a dumpster fire in the backgorund

i was the first to call thon a bum literally in his first summer league and i wanted sabonis like a few others here.
i argued for a year that sanders was a headcase and a team cancer and took absolute hell for it.
i posted a trade jennings thread literally before his rookie year was up
i was perhaps the most vocal and consistent Middleton supporter of the last 10 years when trades were being demanded daily.
the list goes on and on and on.

i was wrong on monta and knight but i made a seismic shift mentally after those two. regardless...ive been more right than wrong with my hot takes and most where i was right i was right sometimes years before it was what the board eventually agreed with unanimously. so this is a hot take that is no longer emotional. it is calculated. we **** up.

my take is.... were done. its over. ane its not even close. i called this **** last summer in the first 5 pages of the bud fired thread. mark it in your mind. this **** is over and beofre its over over its going to be bad here in epic fashion. we will literally be mocked for it nationally and remembered generationally for it. right now its barely even bad. but when it finally breaks apart its going to be epic bad. the next 18-24 months just watch.

[midranger]

I honestly have no idea what the answer is, and I’m not going to take the time to do it, but gut vibes tell me that if you compiled the 4th quarter playoff scores of the Bucks vs their opponents of the 5 years he was here, it’d point to why he was canned.

For all the excuses, 4th quarter meltdowns were our MO under Bud. And I do think that’s indicative of a coaching deficiency.

The answer is Bucks were -56 in playoff 4th quarters over his entire tenure here. We won 29, lost 33, and drew 2 4th. Better than I would’ve suspected.

[greekbuck34]

every once in a while i go off on an emotional tangent and i act stupid.

thats no different than anybody here except im one of the few that will admit it.

most of the other time im the first one to sniff the turd and my track record of it speaks for itself. i could give 10 examples. the guys that have been here long enough know it too. bump threads when major moves went down and look at my takes. i havent been wrong much. my big one was brandon knight but thats before i started to rely on the numbers i do now. learned a valuable lesson there that ive not repeated often since

Well you are having one now so I suggest of taking a break fella.

edited my last post with more. let me finish by saying if you disagree with this take.... you are wrong. its kinda dumb to point a finger at individuals and be dead ass wrong but that what youre doing here.

prefer not to point fingers at people like youre doing so maybe you take the break

in the meantime id love to "discuss" this just not with people that challenge my intellect over it when there is a dumpster fire in the backgorund

i was the first to call thon a bum literally in his first summer league and i wanted sabonis like a few others here.
i argued for a year that sanders was a headcase and a team cancer and took absolute hell for it.
i posted a trade jennings thread literally before his rookie year was up
i was perhaps the most vocal and consistent Middleton supporter of the last 10 years when trades were being demanded daily.
the list goes on and on and on.

i was wrong on monta and knight but ive been more right than wrong and most of my takes where i was right i was right sometimes years before it was what the board eventually agreed with unanimously.

my take is.... were done. its over. ane its not even close. i called this **** last summer in the first 5 pages of the bud fired thread. mark it in your mind. this **** is over and beofre its over over its going to be bad here in epic fashion. we will literally be mocked for it nationally and remembered generationally for it. right now its barely even bad. but when it finally breaks apart its going to be epic bad. the next 18-24 months just watch.

Make your last paragraph your signature then and chill since you are so sure about it. Also put that Giannis is just an all star now and not a superstar without Bud.

Before you do remember that Bud left after losing from the 8th seed in 5 games as the 1st seed so you right now think that somehow we will do worse than that this season.

[James_Henry]

bud was the greatest coach of all time for us and it wasnt close.


Bud vs Don Nelson ? Give me Nelson. Always. And before you say "he never won a chip," the Bucks were going up against Erving and Bird in those Sidney years. With Mokeski, not Giannis.

best record 4 out of 5. we dominated the league with bud... AND got a chip. nelson did neither.

i grew up loving that 80s team and nelson along with it. nelson was one hell of a coach and its close but i give bud the edge. that 80s team played to its best ability but it was a faaaaaar easily blend of talent to work with than bud had.

bud took every last player from siannis down and put them in the best possible chance for them to succeed. its literally unprecedented to have 5 **** years and not have a "bad contract".

bud was shockingly good. like it was literally shocking. he spoiled the hell out of yall and if you dont agree with me youre putting credit all up and down this lineup where it simply isnt due

I was an adult season ticket holder during the 80s. Don Nelson took every player and put them in the best chance to succeed; what good coach doesn't? And it's easy to say a coach is literally shocking good when that coach has a player like Giannis.

We can agree to disagree, and just because I disagree with you doesn't make me wrong. And now I'm heading out for my tee time; catch you later.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Make your last paragraph your signature then and chill since you are so sure about it. Also put that Giannis is just an all star now and not a superstar without Bud.

Before you do remember that Bud left after losing from the 8th seed in 5 games as the 1st seed so you right now think that somehow we will do worse than that this season.

im aware of all that. very aware. make no mistake.

to this day people remember WPGFD but they forget that post was when i wanted him as our point guard in a deal for jennings literally after his first season. i fought like this to move jennings sorry ass out year one.

people dont like when their wrong and thats why the 1000 posts i made on why sanders needed to go literally before hed played a single game with the new contract never get brought up.

dont get me started on thon. i literally got suspended here over that mfer.

and middleton? did he ever have a more vocal supporter? anybody? these posts are the posts ive made for him for years.

go read about the mirza and delly signings.

monta and knight. when i go on for something for months ive NEVER been wrong that i can remember except for those two. my gooden takes i wouldnt want to read either maybe. but since that era and i started agreeing more with the smart guys here and the numbers they looked at i havent been suckered since

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

bud was the greatest coach of all time for us and it wasnt close.


Bud vs Don Nelson ? Give me Nelson. Always. And before you say "he never won a chip," the Bucks were going up against Erving and Bird in those Sidney years. With Mokeski, not Giannis.

best record 4 out of 5. we dominated the league with bud... AND got a chip. nelson did neither.

i grew up loving that 80s team and nelson along with it. nelson was one hell of a coach and its close but i give bud the edge. that 80s team played to its best ability but it was a faaaaaar easily blend of talent to work with than bud had.

bud took every last player from siannis down and put them in the best possible chance for them to succeed. its literally unprecedented to have 5 **** years and not have a "bad contract".

bud was shockingly good. like it was literally shocking. he spoiled the hell out of yall and if you dont agree with me youre putting credit all up and down this lineup where it simply isnt due

I was an adult season ticket holder during the 80s. Don Nelson took every player and put them in the best chance to succeed; what good coach doesn't? And it's easy to say a coach is literally shocking good when that coach has a player like Giannis.

We can agree to disagree, and just because I disagree with you doesn't make me wrong. And now I'm heading out for my tee time; catch you later.

it was supposed to be raining in NC im jealous or id be playing today! may still sneak out if it holds lol

if somebody wanted to argue nelson over bud it would a healthy debate. i think the smart guys would leave it open.

just remember that most of my entire point is what bud was capable of..... i believe was with but also.....despite giannis. there is a limit there that may be a hard cap in some regards. clearly he is the most difficult player to coach in the history of our franchise for a guy on his level.

moncrief, johnson, cummings, lanier, sikma, etc etc..... who were my childhood heros not as much. much more traditional hof and hof like contributors that nelson had to work with.

thats really what this comes down to. i just dont look at giannis like hes this automatic "lead a team to the finals guy". in fact besides the years with bud hes basically been pretty bad at winning. its very possible that the simple 5 year run giannis had with bud turns out to be his window.

[greekbuck34]

Dude I don't care about your history and what happened years ago. I'm talking about last season and this season. You think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin. Put that ish to your signature.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin. Put that ish to your signature.

can you remind me to do it once it appears somewhere, anywhere.... that i may be wrong?

or do you want me to do it now when it seems beyond obvious that im right?

right now malik beasley has a better net rating than giannis and our SRS has us as a play in team. if we start to look like were actually going to flourish with this **** and i look like im going to be wrong then that will be my sig.

in the meantime how about you put it in yours so everybody can keep reading my mfing words in all these postgame threads weve been having when youre trying to convince them that the room isnt on fire

[greekbuck34]

You think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin. Put that ish to your signature.

can you remind me to do it once it appears somewhere, anywhere.... that i may be wrong?

Done. Now chill. The season is long...

[MickeyDavis]

You think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin. Put that ish to your signature.

can you remind me to do it once it appears somewhere, anywhere.... that i may be wrong?

or do you want me to do it now when it seems beyond obvious that im right?

right now malik beasley has a better net rating than giannis and our SRS has us as a play in team. if we start to look like were actually going to flourish with this **** and i look like im going to be wrong then that will be my sig.

in the meantime how about you put it in yours so everybody can keep reading my mfing words in all these postgame threads weve been having when youre trying to convince them that the room isnt on fire

Serenity now, insanity later

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You think that we will do worse than last season and that Giannis is now just a mere all star. All because we switched from Bud to Griffin. Put that ish to your signature.

can you remind me to do it once it appears somewhere, anywhere.... that i may be wrong?

Done. Now chill. The season is long...

not exactly how i would consolidate my words. but close.

how about this instead.

with buds system gone our window is closed. it was the system that made giannis an mvp instead of a mere allstar and we wont win again without it.

[greekbuck34]

can you remind me to do it once it appears somewhere, anywhere.... that i may be wrong?

Done. Now chill. The season is long...

not exactly how i would consolidate my words but love it.

You posted a whole freaking book with BS in the last 30 mins and you keep editing each post with extra sentences again and again and again. I just TLDR. It's a signature, not a newspaper.
I could have included this gem too but people would take it as trolling.

i just dont look at giannis like hes this automatic "lead a team to the finals guy". in fact besides the years with bud hes basically been pretty bad at winning. its very possible that the simple 5 year run giannis had with bud turns out to be his window.

[randy84]

id also like to say... for years ive had these brief moments where ive thought trading giannis for the ultimate package would be a good move for us. then i calm down and im like no.... thats mfing stupid.

thats how we all should have viewed bud too.

Dude are you talking about a coach or Jesus?
Are you really comparing the worth of a generational player with just another of the Popovich's spawns?

Bud was not only outcoached in most of our series but he was also too stupid to make any adjustments in 5 years straight against the same teams and the same coaches. He constantly played the advanced stats instead of making logical decisions.

He had a brilliant plan A and zero alternatives. The book was out on him years ago and his plan A got exploited. The drop defense was a gamble simulator on good shooting teams missing wide open shots. Our offense was a dead end against the wall defense because he loved to fill our guardline with the much needed for him unstable shooting defenders and zero real PGs.

We were 2-3 against the Hawks in the last two seasons with Bud. They are one of the dozen NBA teams that knew exactly how to beat Bud. They love playing against the drop and centers like Brook. And yet you can't believe it's not a certain win somehow because we fired Bud.

90% of a team's upside is because of the talent of their best players. Bud was lucky enough to get hired on the beginning of Giannis prime years. He left and Giannis remained exactly the same if not better under a, as you say, terrible coach.

So basically you are saying if he had Dame the Bucks would have won more titles with Bud.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Done. Now chill. The season is long...

not exactly how i would consolidate my words but love it.

You posted a whole freaking book with BS in the last 30 mins and you keep editing each post with extra sentences again and again and again. I just TLDR. It's a signature, not a newspaper.
I could have included this gem too but people would take it as trolling.

i just dont look at giannis like hes this automatic "lead a team to the finals guy". in fact besides the years with bud hes basically been pretty bad at winning. its very possible that the simple 5 year run giannis had with bud turns out to be his window.

i made this for you in an edit above

with buds system gone our window is closed. it was the system that made giannis an mvp instead of a mere allstar and we wont win again without it.

thats at the heart of what ive been trying to say

[randy84]

As for Giannis, everyone agrees that he relies on athleticism, so Horst need to figures out when to cash out on him before that goes away. Same could be said for Middleton. Just like how the Cardinals got rid of Pujols before he went downhill. Better to get rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year too late.

[paulpressey25]

if somebody wanted to argue nelson over bud it would a healthy debate. i think the smart guys would leave it open.

moncrief, johnson, cummings, lanier, sikma, etc etc..... who were my childhood heros not as much. much more traditional hof and hof like contributors that nelson had to work with..

If we had modern NBA media and social media back in the 1980's I think Don Nelson would have been run out of town in 1984, after the team lost the Celtics 4-1 in the ECF, and "only won" 50 games that season.

[greekbuck34]

id also like to say... for years ive had these brief moments where ive thought trading giannis for the ultimate package would be a good move for us. then i calm down and im like no.... thats mfing stupid.

thats how we all should have viewed bud too.

So basically you are saying if he had Dame the Bucks would have won more titles with Bud.

We will never know and I doubt something like that would be even possible with Bud as the headcoach.
He didn't like PGs and he only wanted guards capable of fighting over screens just to be able to drop Brook as deep as possible.
With Bud as the coach the trade never happens, we keep Jrue, our half court offense remains bad, our 3p shooting terrible in the playoffs and our defense gets exploited from certain guards and coaches.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

As for Giannis, everyone agrees that he relies on athleticism, so Horst need to figures out when to cash out on him before that goes away. Same could be said for Middleton. Just like how the Cardinals got rid of Pujols before he went downhill. Better to get rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year too late.

be careful.....ive been saying this for a minute and when comments like this get brought back up later its always.... youre the guy who wants to trade giannis.

but yes... youre right. he is a depreciating asset at this point. if the season goes to hell and dame asks out it will be curious how the media will view what our next step should be

this entire bible ive posted the last couple pages all started with a post questioning dame and what his intentions would be if we suck this year. its weird but in a way he, and he alone, is going to determine alot about how our future is going to look. i hope we start giving that dude some more usage lol.

[PG Graveyard]

I wouldn't go that far. That team was 8-8. We're a contender with or without Griff. A better chance to win a title without him.

I think Ray started 4-0 with a bunch miracle Favre comebacks papering over a mediocre team. That’s kind of what we look like right now

Rhodes' Packers went 2-1 at the week 4 bye and were 3-2 at week 6.

Thanks. It was a long time ago.