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Post#481 » by HumbleRen » Sun Dec 3, 2023 3:12 am

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I'm not gonna defend the Thad trade but its more than a bit disingenuous to say Koloko isnt playing for us (with the implication that hes not playing cause hes bad). He had a decent rookie season then had a totally unpredictable/potentially career threatening respiratory issues. I blame Masai for a lot but not for Koloko being unable to play.


Yeah, Koloko’s incident is a freak accident. It was a dumb trade but the Koloko stuff isn’t something you can control.

Everything else tho, pure mistakes after mistakes lol.


Yeah like trading down was not a good choice, but if youre gonna do that get a decent player for christ sake lol. Like we couldnt go for Doug McDermott? career .400 3 point shooter and would probably still be in our rotation. Thad was just such an odd choice because he didnt address a need, was old, and was like 2 weeks away from being waived.


Dude is our 7th highest paid player. :lol:
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Post#482 » by Madvillainy2004 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 3:13 am

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Let's not forget the brilliant Thad trade. I still see the argument that we only "traded down 13 spots" but neither Thad or Koloko are currently playing for the Raptors. That trade was just 2 years ago.


I'm not gonna defend the Thad trade but its more than a bit disingenuous to say Koloko isnt playing for us (with the implication that hes not playing cause hes bad). He had a decent rookie season then had a totally unpredictable/potentially career threatening respiratory issues. I blame Masai for a lot but not for Koloko being unable to play.


I'm not implying Koloko is a bad basketball player. I hope he eventually pans out and I don't think the respiratory illness or whatever he has is going to be ultimately career-threatening IMO. But as it currently stands, that trade is not doing us any dividends. Just facts.


I do understand the fact Koloko isnt playing but you need the context this random illness couldve happened to literally any prospect they picked.
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Post#483 » by ItsDanger » Sun Dec 3, 2023 3:20 am

TJ McConnell putting on a show. 18 pts, 11 assists in 20 minutes
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Post#484 » by HiJiNX » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:17 am

Dallas on an epic run.
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Post#485 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:18 am

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Post#486 » by HiJiNX » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:21 am

30-0 Dallas run to come back from down 24. WOW.
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Post#487 » by pingpongrac » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:22 am

HiJiNX wrote:Dallas on an epic run.


Absolute madness. Basketball so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes. They've even got Luka making massive defensive plays in this 30-0 (!!!) run to take full control. Glad I decided to tune in even with the Mavs down by 20 midway through the 3rd.
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Post#488 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:25 am

ItsDanger wrote:TJ McConnell putting on a show. 18 pts, 11 assists in 20 minutes

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Post#489 » by HiJiNX » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:32 am

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HiJiNX wrote:Dallas on an epic run.


Absolute madness. Basketball so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes. They've even got Luka making massive defensive plays in this 30-0 (!!!) run to take full control. Glad I decided to tune in even with the Mavs down by 20 midway through the 3rd.

Haha exact same scenario for me. It was mostly just on in the background. Too bad they gonna come up short.

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Post#490 » by pingpongrac » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:34 am

And then after all of that, OKC finally gets their **** together and goes on a run themselves to steal the game back. Tough loss for the Mavs even considering they were down 24 in the 4th because they were also up by 4 with 2 minutes left and they had a chance to push the lead to 6 or 7 lol.
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Post#491 » by HumbleRen » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:37 am

OKC’s poise for a team full of 20-24 year olds is insane lol.

That would be a full collapse with last year’s OKC team.
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Post#492 » by Brinbe » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:39 am

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Post#493 » by pingpongrac » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:47 am

HumbleRen wrote:OKC’s poise for a team full of 20-24 year olds is insane lol.

That would be a full collapse with last year’s OKC team.


I wouldn't consider that to be a good example of poise lol. They completely crumbled under pressure and allowed a 30-0 run to Luka, Seth Curry and a bunch of rookies. Give them credit for making a late push to steal the game back, but that collapse midway through the 4th was the exact thing a team with no poise would allow to happen to them.
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Post#494 » by HumbleRen » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:52 am

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HumbleRen wrote:OKC’s poise for a team full of 20-24 year olds is insane lol.

That would be a full collapse with last year’s OKC team.


I wouldn't consider that to be a good example of poise lol. They completely crumbled under pressure and allowed a 30-0 run to Luka, Seth Curry and a bunch of rookies. Give them credit for making a late push to steal the game back, but that collapse midway through the 4th was the exact thing a team with no poise would allow to happen to them.


But they didn’t lose. That’s the key.

Last year’s OKC would have crumbled under that 30-0 run. That builds character and the type of battles you need to go through if you want some success in the playoffs.
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Post#495 » by pingpongrac » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:10 am

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HumbleRen wrote:OKC’s poise for a team full of 20-24 year olds is insane lol.

That would be a full collapse with last year’s OKC team.


I wouldn't consider that to be a good example of poise lol. They completely crumbled under pressure and allowed a 30-0 run to Luka, Seth Curry and a bunch of rookies. Give them credit for making a late push to steal the game back, but that collapse midway through the 4th was the exact thing a team with no poise would allow to happen to them.


But they didn’t lose. That’s the key.

Last year’s OKC would have crumbled under that 30-0 run. That builds character and the type of battles you need to go through if you want some success in the playoffs.


It builds character because it's the kind of thing that should absolutely not happen and it's going to weigh heavy in their minds when they're in similar situations in the future, but no one on that OKC team is going to be happy with how they played in the 4th regardless of the fact that they actually won. I would imagine Daigneault is giving the players credit for getting it together and eventually getting the W, but I highly doubt he is using what happened tonight as anything but a negative in the future. He's probably more worried that it took an historic run by the Mavs and multiple timeouts by himself for his team to do anything positive in the 4th. You'd be hard-pressed to see a team look so rattled for 10-15 possessions in a row in the 4th quarter. Like that was worse than peak LeBronto days lol.

Put it this way. If the Raptors (with Siakam and Poeltl both not playing) were winning by ~25 then allowed a 30-0 run over 5 minutes in the 4th before coming back to win, everyone would be going on about how terrible the future of the team looks because of their inability to easily close out a game with such a massive lead. You wouldn't say "they showed great poise" because they didn't entirely blow that massive lead.
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Post#496 » by HumbleRen » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:22 am

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I wouldn't consider that to be a good example of poise lol. They completely crumbled under pressure and allowed a 30-0 run to Luka, Seth Curry and a bunch of rookies. Give them credit for making a late push to steal the game back, but that collapse midway through the 4th was the exact thing a team with no poise would allow to happen to them.


But they didn’t lose. That’s the key.

Last year’s OKC would have crumbled under that 30-0 run. That builds character and the type of battles you need to go through if you want some success in the playoffs.


It builds character because it's the kind of thing that should absolutely not happen and it's going to weigh heavy in their minds when they're in similar situations in the future, but no one on that OKC team is going to be happy with how they played in the 4th regardless of the fact that they actually won. I would imagine Daigneault is giving the players credit for getting it together and eventually getting the W, but I highly doubt he is using what happened tonight as anything but a negative in the future. He's probably more worried that it took an historic run by the Mavs and multiple timeouts by himself for his team to do anything positive in the 4th. You'd be hard-pressed to see a team look so rattled for 10-15 possessions in a row in the 4th quarter. Like that was worse than peak LeBronto days lol.

Put it this way. If the Raptors (with Siakam and Poeltl both not playing) were winning by ~25 then allowed a 30-0 run over 5 minutes in the 4th before coming back to win, everyone would be going on about how terrible the future of the team looks because of their inability to easily close out a game with such a massive lead. You wouldn't say "they showed great poise" because they didn't entirely blow that massive lead.


Completely disagree. I’d be wildly impressed if we pulled out that W without Siakam and Poeltl.

Also laughable to even say it was worse than the peak lebronto, you gotta be on drugs or secretly hate OKC’s come up rn. :lol: don’t ever compare a regular season game to DD/Lowry constantly melting down in the playoffs. :lol:


These guys are 20-25 year olds man, it’s never an issue in the long run to face adversity and to actually overcome it. They’re going to look at the tape, see what went wrong but ultimately be proud that they didn’t fully succumb to the pressure.
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Post#497 » by pingpongrac » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:48 am

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But they didn’t lose. That’s the key.

Last year’s OKC would have crumbled under that 30-0 run. That builds character and the type of battles you need to go through if you want some success in the playoffs.


It builds character because it's the kind of thing that should absolutely not happen and it's going to weigh heavy in their minds when they're in similar situations in the future, but no one on that OKC team is going to be happy with how they played in the 4th regardless of the fact that they actually won. I would imagine Daigneault is giving the players credit for getting it together and eventually getting the W, but I highly doubt he is using what happened tonight as anything but a negative in the future. He's probably more worried that it took an historic run by the Mavs and multiple timeouts by himself for his team to do anything positive in the 4th. You'd be hard-pressed to see a team look so rattled for 10-15 possessions in a row in the 4th quarter. Like that was worse than peak LeBronto days lol.

Put it this way. If the Raptors (with Siakam and Poeltl both not playing) were winning by ~25 then allowed a 30-0 run over 5 minutes in the 4th before coming back to win, everyone would be going on about how terrible the future of the team looks because of their inability to easily close out a game with such a massive lead. You wouldn't say "they showed great poise" because they didn't entirely blow that massive lead.


Completely disagree. I’d be wildly impressed if we pulled out that W without Siakam and Poeltl.

Also laughable to even say it was worse than the peak lebronto, you gotta be on drugs or secretly hate OKC’s come up rn. :lol: don’t ever compare a regular season game to DD/Lowry constantly melting down in the playoffs. :lol:


These guys are 20-25 year olds man, it’s never an issue in the long run to face adversity and to actually overcome it. They’re going to look at the tape, see what went wrong but ultimately be proud that they didn’t fully succumb to the pressure.


When you speak in hyperboles like "OKC wouldn't have won this game last season" in regards to an historic run they gave up before pulling off the win, it holds very little weight. The 30-0 run they allowed was literally the biggest run in the 2000s so far. You can't say they wouldn't have won this game last season when this type of thing hasn't happened to ANY team in the league for decades lol.

OKC has a bright future and I think they've been a very fun team to watch the past 12 months with SGA playing like a borderline superstar and even more recently with Chet looking unbelievable, but this isn't the game to say they showed great poise. Dallas had to exert all of their energy to go on that 30-0 run then it resulted in them being gassed and coming up short on every jumper in the last few minutes. Give OKC credit for not giving up when they were down 4 then scoring some easy second chance and transition buckets down the stretch to regain the lead, but that's it. It was terrible that they were even in that position against a severely undermanned Mavs team on a B2B.
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Post#498 » by Los_29 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:11 am

OKC let the Mavs go on a massive run and nearly choked away a 25 point lead. The team they were playing started players like Grant Williams, Derrick Lively, Seth Curry and Derrick Jones Jr. OKC won that game because they are significantly more talented not because they were extremely poised. lol.

OKC is a super fun team to watch though and it is absolutely incredible the improvements SGA has been able to make in the last year. He’s a stud.
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Post#499 » by HumbleRen » Sun Dec 3, 2023 8:23 am

pingpongrac wrote:
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It builds character because it's the kind of thing that should absolutely not happen and it's going to weigh heavy in their minds when they're in similar situations in the future, but no one on that OKC team is going to be happy with how they played in the 4th regardless of the fact that they actually won. I would imagine Daigneault is giving the players credit for getting it together and eventually getting the W, but I highly doubt he is using what happened tonight as anything but a negative in the future. He's probably more worried that it took an historic run by the Mavs and multiple timeouts by himself for his team to do anything positive in the 4th. You'd be hard-pressed to see a team look so rattled for 10-15 possessions in a row in the 4th quarter. Like that was worse than peak LeBronto days lol.

Put it this way. If the Raptors (with Siakam and Poeltl both not playing) were winning by ~25 then allowed a 30-0 run over 5 minutes in the 4th before coming back to win, everyone would be going on about how terrible the future of the team looks because of their inability to easily close out a game with such a massive lead. You wouldn't say "they showed great poise" because they didn't entirely blow that massive lead.


Completely disagree. I’d be wildly impressed if we pulled out that W without Siakam and Poeltl.

Also laughable to even say it was worse than the peak lebronto, you gotta be on drugs or secretly hate OKC’s come up rn. :lol: don’t ever compare a regular season game to DD/Lowry constantly melting down in the playoffs. :lol:


These guys are 20-25 year olds man, it’s never an issue in the long run to face adversity and to actually overcome it. They’re going to look at the tape, see what went wrong but ultimately be proud that they didn’t fully succumb to the pressure.


When you speak in hyperboles like "OKC wouldn't have won this game last season" in regards to an historic run they gave up before pulling off the win, it holds very little weight. The 30-0 run they allowed was literally the biggest run in the 2000s so far. You can't say they wouldn't have won this game last season when this type of thing hasn't happened to ANY team in the league for decades lol.

OKC has a bright future and I think they've been a very fun team to watch the past 12 months with SGA playing like a borderline superstar and even more recently with Chet looking unbelievable, but this isn't the game to say they showed great poise. Dallas had to exert all of their energy to go on that 30-0 run then it resulted in them being gassed and coming up short on every jumper in the last few minutes. Give OKC credit for not giving up when they were down 4 then scoring some easy second chance and transition buckets down the stretch to regain the lead, but that's it. It was terrible that they were even in that position against a severely undermanned Mavs team on a B2B.


My guy, you’re the one bringing up hyperboles by saying it’s worse than peak Lebronto.

Nobody is going to remember this game in a couple of months. Lebronto is one of the pinnacle arcs of arguably the greatest player to ever touch a basketball. :lol: there’s just no comparison.
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