Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?)

[SelbyCobra]

Mavs are fading. Glorious.

Did we just witness the birth of a new curse?

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[HarthorneWingo]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

[Capn'O]

Mavs are fading. Glorious.

I mean they are without 4 of their rotational guys at the moment. I will take what I can get though. just gotta keep them out of tanking distance.

May they be plagued with nagging, continuous, non serious injuries to secondary players all season and be kicked out in the play in.

[Jalen Bluntson]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

It's a small sample size but, we could still use him and we gave him away for peanuts. Bad trade but, I guess he punched his own ticket when he blew up on Thibs last year.

[Iron Mantis]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Obi had 4 blocks too.

He's 7th in the league in field goal %, and if you exclude the guys who haven't attempted a 3pt shot, Obi would be 2nd in the league in field goal %.

Thibs is close-minded and rigid.

He'd make a great assistant coach, but he isn't taking any teams to the promised land no matter who's on the roster.

[BBALLER4FR]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

I suggested that a long time ago but everyone needed to see Randle and RJ gobble up as many minutes as they could get.

[HighRyzer83]

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Obi had 4 blocks too.

He's 7th in the league in field goal %, and if you exclude the guys who haven't attempted a 3pt shot, Obi would be 2nd in the league in field goal %.

Thibs is close-minded and rigid.

He'd make a great assistant coach, but he isn't taking any teams to the promised land no matter who's on the roster.

[Clyde_Style]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

He was an efficient scorer for us too. Last season Thibs parked him in the corner to take threes and we rarely saw the Obi of the previous season where he'd get an opportunity and run up and down the court and get 15 points in 15 minutes on breakaway dunks and opportunistic plays. He's not orthodox, but if you have him on your team you can get production out of him by playing to his strengths. Thibs just doghoused him and it was stupid.

With the emergence of Brown and Obi, mathurin is seeing a reduction in time. He may be the odd man. Why couldn't they trade him for Obi? They were hell bent on low balling us, but we still went for it because Obi wanted Indiana. You ever seen that before from any NBA team? To take this trash if an offer for legit talent. This may go down as the WORST trade in Knicks history.

Yeah, two second round picks was damn weak. Not a great moment for this FO, especially when they drafted Obi and then extended Randle a year ahead of schedule. Still, a lot of this falls on Thibs

[Clyde_Style]

Imagine Obi on the floor with Brunson, Donte, Hart and iHart pushing the ball. It would be a look we could throw at teams and sometimes blow games wide open just by pressing the pace. You'd have Hart and Donte playing the passing lanes and iHart backing them up. Hart is a top rebounder among guards and they'd find Obi on the outlet

oh fukit, never mind

[aggo]

Okc has a billion picks

A top 5 guard
And a soon top 5 , 2 way big that can shoot.


Anything less than a championship out of this is a bust.

[Clyde_Style]

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That's totally mental

Luka playmaking instead of being the hero baller makes it that much better

Cap is now banned from posting when Mavs are live

[Clyde_Style]

Oh crap!

Just went to look at the box score. Mavs lost

Cap reinstated

[spree2kawhi]

Sacramento might be the best team in the west. Heard it here first.

[Knicksfan1992]

I want to repeat the Indiana Pacers are currently the 2nd worst team defensively in the league. They are actually statistically worse than the Wizards who are barely an NBA team... Obi is not making any difference defensively and arguing so is arguing in ridiculously bad faith.

The even more embarrassing part for Obi is that Indiana who is at baseline horrific on defense is even worse on that end with him on the court than with him off.

According to Cleaningtheglass Indiana has a 123.4 defensive rating with Obi on the floor. This would make them by far the worst defense in the league over a full season. Without him they are at 119.2. Also bad but actually an improvement over their baseline defense.

I don't mean to rain on the Obi parade because I like Obi and was a supporter pre-draft and throughout his tenure. I think he's a solid rotation piece.

With that being said... 2 things can be true.

The FO screwed up the timing of trading him and what value they got back. They have to eat that. It's a bad look.

AND

We are way better off with the personnel we have now both in the short and long term than we would have been had we kept Obi.

Fact of the matter is he wouldn't crack this rotation because he's not better nor does he fit this roster better than any of the 9 guys playing currently

[ScienceOfLosing]

22 points on 7/8 fg
It's crazy how efficient he is and effective without the ball.

He was an efficient scorer for us too. Last season Thibs parked him in the corner to take threes and we rarely saw the Obi of the previous season where he'd get an opportunity and run up and down the court and get 15 points in 15 minutes on breakaway dunks and opportunistic plays. He's not orthodox, but if you have him on your team you can get production out of him by playing to his strengths. Thibs just doghoused him and it was stupid.

With the emergence of Brown and Obi, mathurin is seeing a reduction in time. He may be the odd man. Why couldn't they trade him for Obi? They were hell bent on low balling us, but we still went for it because Obi wanted Indiana. You ever seen that before from any NBA team? To take this trash if an offer for legit talent. This may go down as the WORST trade in Knicks history.

Remember, the NBA is a business. Players are assets in the end. It is about winning.*

* Except Obi, then we gotta do right by him.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Imagine Obi on the floor with Brunson, Donte, Hart and iHart pushing the ball. It would be a look we could throw at teams and sometimes blow games wide open just by pressing the pace. You'd have Hart and Donte playing the passing lanes and iHart backing them up. Hart is a top rebounder among guards and they'd find Obi on the outlet

oh fukit, never mind

Sounds like you’re imagining a world without Thibs. Remember it’s a business.*


* Except with Obi. Then you gotta do him right.

[ScienceOfLosing]

I want to repeat the Indiana Pacers are currently the 2nd worst team defensively in the league. They are actually statistically worse than the Wizards who are barely an NBA team... Obi is not making any difference defensively and arguing so is arguing in ridiculously bad faith.

The even more embarrassing part for Obi is that Indiana who is at baseline horrific on defense is even worse on that end with him on the court than with him off.

According to Cleaningtheglass Indiana has a 123.4 defensive rating with Obi on the floor. This would make them by far the worst defense in the league over a full season. Without him they are at 119.2. Also bad but actually an improvement over their baseline defense.

I don't mean to rain on the Obi parade because I like Obi and was a supporter pre-draft and throughout his tenure. I think he's a solid rotation piece.

With that being said... 2 things can be true.

The FO screwed up the timing of trading him and what value they got back. They have to eat that. It's a bad look.

AND

We are way better off with the personnel we have now both in the short and long term than we would have been had we kept Obi.

Fact of the matter is he wouldn't crack this rotation because he's not better nor does he fit this roster better than any of the 9 guys playing currently

[Galvationknicks]

Julius apology tour

Hell F*ing no

[strummer]

Two second rounders........

Folks hoping he'd bust in Indy and vindicate Thibs.

Instead, he's showing he is a talented, extremely efficient player who plays within himself.

Many of us are not surprised that he's producing after gelling with his new team.

Thibs is a bozo. Young guys develop despite him, not because of him.

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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[Janquinn87]

I want to repeat the Indiana Pacers are currently the 2nd worst team defensively in the league. They are actually statistically worse than the Wizards who are barely an NBA team... Obi is not making any difference defensively and arguing so is arguing in ridiculously bad faith.

The even more embarrassing part for Obi is that Indiana who is at baseline horrific on defense is even worse on that end with him on the court than with him off.

According to Cleaningtheglass Indiana has a 123.4 defensive rating with Obi on the floor. This would make them by far the worst defense in the league over a full season. Without him they are at 119.2. Also bad but actually an improvement over their baseline defense.

I don't mean to rain on the Obi parade because I like Obi and was a supporter pre-draft and throughout his tenure. I think he's a solid rotation piece.

With that being said... 2 things can be true.

The FO screwed up the timing of trading him and what value they got back. They have to eat that. It's a bad look.

AND

We are way better off with the personnel we have now both in the short and long term than we would have been had we kept Obi.

Fact of the matter is he wouldn't crack this rotation because he's not better nor does he fit this roster better than any of the 9 guys playing currently

B.S pacers are bad on defense because Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Mathurin, can't keep their man in front of them causing the defense to break down.