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[Juco24]

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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Yeah... ANYONE defending the FO on this is simply hating. Most of us wanted to see Obi @ the 3 but I honestly don't recall it happening. Love the Divo signing but it doesn't take away the fact that we drafted Obi, never really developed him unless you call 12 minutes backup PF development and then traded him for 2 2nds. Only a close minded person could defend the moves involving Obi and the FO. Good to see Obi doing well

[Clyde_Style]

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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It's not the first time someone has improved their game. Defense is effort to a large degree. And Obi's lateral mobility looks improved in those highlights which was his biggest physical flaw along with being too weak to contain other guys his same size. But if he can move his feet he can defend. Looks like that's what he was doing there.

[Clyde_Style]

Must have been on Mollie on picture day

[3toheadmelo]

Love to see DSJ ball out

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[nykballa2k4]

Mavs are fading. Glorious.

I mean they are without 4 of their rotational guys at the moment. I will take what I can get though. just gotta keep them out of tanking distance.

May they be plagued with nagging, continuous, non serious injuries to secondary players all season and be kicked out in the play in.

Kyrie just waiting until Jan 15 and the Lakers can trade for him to go off the walls again.

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Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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Yeah... ANYONE defending the FO on this is simply hating. Most of us wanted to see Obi @ the 3 but I honestly don't recall it happening. Love the Divo signing but it doesn't take away the fact that we drafted Obi, never really developed him unless you call 12 minutes backup PF development and then traded him for 2 2nds. Only a close minded person could defend the moves involving Obi and the FO. Good to see Obi doing well

Closed minded or an MSG employee. You get the feeling Leon and Dolan made all Obi decisions while sitting outside the Pork Store.

He was drafted because the boss’s son reps him and the boss’s boss demands “win now” and highlights.

Toppin was traded because the boss’s son has car payments and a mortgage.

Haliburton’s rise to superstardom while tossing lobs to Obi is a real testament to how the classic Dolan dysfunction endures.

[nykballa2k4]

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Gilbert is just a tabloid with a mouth. I don't put much stock in anything he says. Obviously Foster and Paul have a deep problem and the NBA does need to intervene in a more meaningful way.

Of course, there are also refs who are cosied up to certain guys, like when LeBron signs things for refs kids and families, so it all has to be kept in mind.

[nykballa2k4]

What's ironic is that they play him at the 3 because he's long and agile he was very effective against butler down the stretch. Wtf couldn't we play him at 3 if he threatened Randle so much. We are still searching for a big SF.

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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Happy for him. It helps that Jimmy is slow footed

[MrDollarBills]

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Gilbert is just a tabloid with a mouth. I don't put much stock in anything he says. Obviously Foster and Paul have a deep problem and the NBA does need to intervene in a more meaningful way.

Of course, there are also refs who are cosied up to certain guys, like when LeBron signs things for refs kids and families, so it all has to be kept in mind.

I agree with you 100% about Gil.

Just a note, Scott Foster was the recipient of 134 calls from Tim Donaghy in 2006 to 2007 when he was running his gambling operation. Is that proof of a crime? No, but it's interesting to know that, while also clearly seeing how cavalier Foster's behavior is towards Chris Paul and the league does nothing. It's bad optics, but also a symptom of a larger problem. Officiating in the NBA in general has been horrible. These refs act like people pay money to see them blow their whistles instead of the players.

People bet on games specifically based on who is officiating that night. I feel like the league getting in bed with gambling outlets will come back to haunt them sooner than later.

[Chanel Bomber]

Scott Foster a fraud but he can go at CP0 for as long as he wants

[TrueWarrior]

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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Yeah... ANYONE defending the FO on this is simply hating. Most of us wanted to see Obi @ the 3 but I honestly don't recall it happening. Love the Divo signing but it doesn't take away the fact that we drafted Obi, never really developed him unless you call 12 minutes backup PF development and then traded him for 2 2nds. Only a close minded person could defend the moves involving Obi and the FO. Good to see Obi doing well

I mentioned a hundred times to try Obi at SF while he was here. They didn’t give it a chance once.

On offense hes more of a SF, and his perimeter defense is decent enough. I was told hed crash and burn there because of his “awful lateral quickness”, but its not that bad and hes got length.

If the Knicks didnt want to play Obi at the 5, then they could have played him at the 3 against bench players for an extra 5-10 minutes a night. He actually did great against Jimmy Butler though lol. Thibs is a damn mule.

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Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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Yeah... ANYONE defending the FO on this is simply hating. Most of us wanted to see Obi @ the 3 but I honestly don't recall it happening. Love the Divo signing but it doesn't take away the fact that we drafted Obi, never really developed him unless you call 12 minutes backup PF development and then traded him for 2 2nds. Only a close minded person could defend the moves involving Obi and the FO. Good to see Obi doing well

I mentioned a hundred times to try Obi at SF while he was here. They didn’t give it a chance once.

On offense hes more of a SF, and his perimeter defense is decent enough. I was told hed crash and burn at SF because of his “awful lateral quickness”, but hes got length and size to make up for it somewhat.

If they didnt want to try Obi at the 5, then I thought he could have played the 3 against bench players for an extra 5-10 minutes a night. He actually did great against Jimmy Butler though lol. Thibs is a damn mule.

It's all down to Thibs. Carlisle makes adjustments based on what the other team is doing and what his own players are doing. He's played Obi alongside 2 other bigs when the situation dictates and has also gone small with Obi at the 5. In his 3 years here that never occurred.

Amazing what a little flexibility from the coach can do for players and a team.

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah... ANYONE defending the FO on this is simply hating. Most of us wanted to see Obi @ the 3 but I honestly don't recall it happening. Love the Divo signing but it doesn't take away the fact that we drafted Obi, never really developed him unless you call 12 minutes backup PF development and then traded him for 2 2nds. Only a close minded person could defend the moves involving Obi and the FO. Good to see Obi doing well

I mentioned a hundred times to try Obi at SF while he was here. They didn’t give it a chance once.

On offense hes more of a SF, and his perimeter defense is decent enough. I was told hed crash and burn at SF because of his “awful lateral quickness”, but hes got length and size to make up for it somewhat.

If they didnt want to try Obi at the 5, then I thought he could have played the 3 against bench players for an extra 5-10 minutes a night. He actually did great against Jimmy Butler though lol. Thibs is a damn mule.

It's all down to Thibs. Carlisle makes adjustments based on what the other team is doing and what his own players are doing. He's played Obi alongside 2 other bigs when the situation dictates and has also gone small with Obi at the 5. In his 3 years here that never occurred.

Amazing what a little flexibility from the coach can do for players and a team.

I've thought a more creative coach could also maximize Randle and minimize his shortcomings more than Thibs who has also failed to hold Randle accountable when he's going off the rails or not playing any D.

[MrDollarBills]

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Mitch is a good man.

[ScienceOfLosing]

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Gilbert is just a tabloid with a mouth. I don't put much stock in anything he says. Obviously Foster and Paul have a deep problem and the NBA does need to intervene in a more meaningful way.

Of course, there are also refs who are cosied up to certain guys, like when LeBron signs things for refs kids and families, so it all has to be kept in mind.

I agree with you 100% about Gil.

Just a note, Scott Foster was the recipient of 134 calls from Tim Donaghy in 2006 to 2007 when he was running his gambling operation. Is that proof of a crime? No, but it's interesting to know that, while also clearly seeing how cavalier Foster's behavior is towards Chris Paul and the league does nothing. It's bad optics, but also a symptom of a larger problem. Officiating in the NBA in general has been horrible. These refs act like people pay money to see them blow their whistles instead of the players.

People bet on games specifically based on who is officiating that night. I feel like the league getting in bed with gambling outlets will come back to haunt them sooner than later.

AI is coming and with it good and bad. As for some good, it is going to help with cleaning up officiating (well, as long as it is open source.) Look forward to it with sports in general - boxing, baseball, football, etc.

As for the bad, it must be open and decentralized or we are in for thought control, manipulation, etc.

[nykballa2k4]

Gilbert is just a tabloid with a mouth. I don't put much stock in anything he says. Obviously Foster and Paul have a deep problem and the NBA does need to intervene in a more meaningful way.

Of course, there are also refs who are cosied up to certain guys, like when LeBron signs things for refs kids and families, so it all has to be kept in mind.

I agree with you 100% about Gil.

Just a note, Scott Foster was the recipient of 134 calls from Tim Donaghy in 2006 to 2007 when he was running his gambling operation. Is that proof of a crime? No, but it's interesting to know that, while also clearly seeing how cavalier Foster's behavior is towards Chris Paul and the league does nothing. It's bad optics, but also a symptom of a larger problem. Officiating in the NBA in general has been horrible. These refs act like people pay money to see them blow their whistles instead of the players.

People bet on games specifically based on who is officiating that night. I feel like the league getting in bed with gambling outlets will come back to haunt them sooner than later.

AI is coming and with it good and bad. As for some good, it is going to help with cleaning up officiating (well, as long as it is open source.) Look forward to it with sports in general - boxing, baseball, football, etc.

As for the bad, it must be open and decentralized or we are in for thought control, manipulation, etc.

If there was 100% type calls there would have to be a change in calibration or there would be non-stop foul/travel calls.

[Iron Mantis]

I mentioned a hundred times to try Obi at SF while he was here. They didn’t give it a chance once.

On offense hes more of a SF, and his perimeter defense is decent enough. I was told hed crash and burn at SF because of his “awful lateral quickness”, but hes got length and size to make up for it somewhat.

If they didnt want to try Obi at the 5, then I thought he could have played the 3 against bench players for an extra 5-10 minutes a night. He actually did great against Jimmy Butler though lol. Thibs is a damn mule.

It's all down to Thibs. Carlisle makes adjustments based on what the other team is doing and what his own players are doing. He's played Obi alongside 2 other bigs when the situation dictates and has also gone small with Obi at the 5. In his 3 years here that never occurred.

Amazing what a little flexibility from the coach can do for players and a team.

I've thought a more creative coach could also maximize Randle and minimize his shortcomings more than Thibs who has also failed to hold Randle accountable when he's going off the rails or not playing any D.

Real question: how much longer are we stuck watching him coach the Knicks?

[Clyde_Style]

It's all down to Thibs. Carlisle makes adjustments based on what the other team is doing and what his own players are doing. He's played Obi alongside 2 other bigs when the situation dictates and has also gone small with Obi at the 5. In his 3 years here that never occurred.

Amazing what a little flexibility from the coach can do for players and a team.

I've thought a more creative coach could also maximize Randle and minimize his shortcomings more than Thibs who has also failed to hold Randle accountable when he's going off the rails or not playing any D.

Real question: how much longer are we stuck watching him coach the Knicks?

He's here through next season when his five year deal ends. He'll be 67-68

Pops is 74 so age may not factor into whether he is resigned. If this FO is intact there's a good chance he'll be resigned

I don't imagine Thibs would want to do anything else so I expect him to be looking for a new deal

[Jstock12]

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