The Washington Commanders Thread

[queridiculo]

Bang up job getting the Defense ready Ron.

[TGW]

Embarassing. You have to wonder if there's anyone to build around on this roster....Howell and McClaurin included.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Good tank loss. Gotta lose out here. Probably won't get us Caleb Williams, but might get us Marvin Harrison or atleast our pick of OTs.

[gambitx777]

We don't need a QB. Sam Howell has lead the league in yards, passer rating and other categorys at different times this season. Taking a QB any where in the first 5 rounds would be an absolute waste of a pick.

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[TGW]

We don't need a QB. Sam Howell has lead the league in yards, passer rating and other categorys at different times this season. Taking a QB any where in the first 5 rounds would be an absolute waste of a pick.

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That’s up to the new GM. If he feels that Howell is not the guy going forward, and there’s a stud QB like Maye on the board, then so be it.

[gambitx777]

We don't need a QB. Sam Howell has lead the league in yards, passer rating and other categorys at different times this season. Taking a QB any where in the first 5 rounds would be an absolute waste of a pick.

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That’s up to the new GM. If he feels that Howell is not the guy going forward, and there’s a stud QB like Maye on the board, then so be it.

It's not really up to the new GM it's an objective fact that Sam Howell was statistically good this season and when he wasn't there were much bigger factors at play. If decent looking QB falls to 5th 6th or 7th rounds that's fine take the kid to groom a back up or a trade chip. But don't waste a top 100 pick on a QB when Howell is possibly better than the bunch anyway and the other needs of the team are so much more pressing.if we land a top 5 pick we should trade back we need so much stuff. Green bay has believe a mid round first and like two seconds and two 3eds. the first swap and two seconds or a second and a thrid would be a huge grab. We should still be able to get a top 5 line man mod round like fuaga or mims and take several top ten players at their position in the second round.

Now I'm fine keeping our top 5 pick and taking fashanu or alt. Harrison is he's left for us is ok.

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[queridiculo]

Embarassing. You have to wonder if there's anyone to build around on this roster....Howell and McClaurin included.

Anybody on a rookie deal is fine, beyond that, case-by-case basis and liquidate your assets.

I'd keep Daron Payne around to anchor the line, and try to figure out where Jonathan Allen's head is at.

I like Jamin Davis, but who knows if he's going to be in jail, or around to play football next season.

Robinson Jr. is a keeper and both him and Howell will benefit from where the focus needs to be - rebuilding the offensive line.

McLaurin to me is in the Jonathan Allen camp.

Does he want to be part of a rebuild or his head elsewhere.

Ironically both of them might be afflicted by the typical Washington sports hype machine. Are either of them really as good as the organization at some point thought they were?

[gambitx777]

Embarassing. You have to wonder if there's anyone to build around on this roster....Howell and McClaurin included.

Anybody on a rookie deal is fine, beyond that, case-by-case basis and liquidate your assets.

I'd keep Daron Payne around to anchor the line, and try to figure out where Jonathan Allen's head is at.

I like Jamin Davis, but who knows if he's going to be in jail, or around to play football next season.

Robinson Jr. is a keeper and both him and Howell will benefit from where the focus needs to be - rebuilding the offensive line.

McLaurin to me is in the Jonathan Allen camp.

Does he want to be part of a rebuild or his head elsewhere.

Ironically both of them might be afflicted by the typical Washington sports hype machine. Are either of them really as good as the organization at some point thought they were?

I also only 3 of our draft licks have really played Forbes martin and Henry. They have struggled, but they have potential. Stromburg I don't recall getting a ton of playing time Rodriguez and Jones either but they have played some. Daniels was placed on ir before cuts. All these guys should hopefully have more impact in year two. We basically get a free rookie in Daniels next year. Hope Forbes can turn it around. Martin and Henry look like they could be solid. I like Stromburg if he gets a chance. Rodriguez should have a shot to claim the number 2 RB slot next year.



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[TGW]

We don't need a QB. Sam Howell has lead the league in yards, passer rating and other categorys at different times this season. Taking a QB any where in the first 5 rounds would be an absolute waste of a pick.

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That’s up to the new GM. If he feels that Howell is not the guy going forward, and there’s a stud QB like Maye on the board, then so be it.

It's not really up to the new GM

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It 100% doesn't matter what you, the pundits, or even the owner thinks about Howell. It doesn't matter if he looked good at points (while also looking awful at certain points)...that's beside the point. The person who makes the ultimate decision is the new GM.

If a new GM comes in with autonomy over the roster except for the quarterback, that would Snyder era silliness all over again.

I'm not making an argument on whether Howell is good, a franchise quarterback, or a bum they need to move on from...those are all subjective positions. What isn't subjective is whether the new GM makes that decision or not.

[Dark Faze]

The thing about this upcoming draft is like 3 of the bottom 4 teams have fairly high selected QB's recently:

Bears
Panthers
Cardinals
Patriots

An opportunity to get Fields, Young, or Murray on a discount is something to consider. TBH, I probably pass on Fields, but Young and Murray would have my interest.

As far players to keep, I agree with keeping an eye on Allen and Payne for another year. I think McLaurin should be moved. Not his fault, but even in his better years we've never had an offensive considered good with him on the roster. Not his fault and not saying he isn't worth the money, but statistically our offensive drop off without him probably isn't significantly impacted.

In the draft I already hear people targeting offensive line and I think it's the wrong approach. Best player available for sure. This team almost needs a 100% overhall. In NBA terms, we need to trade down and get as many picks as possible.

[gambitx777]

That’s up to the new GM. If he feels that Howell is not the guy going forward, and there’s a stud QB like Maye on the board, then so be it.

It's not really up to the new GM

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It 100% doesn't matter what you, the pundits, or even the owner thinks about Howell. It doesn't matter if he looked good at points (while also looking awful at certain points)...that's beside the point. The person who makes the ultimate decision is the new GM.

If a new GM comes in with autonomy over the roster except for the quarterback, that would Snyder era silliness all over again.

I'm not making an argument on whether Howell is good, a franchise quarterback, or a bum they need to move on from...those are all subjective positions. What isn't subjective is whether the new GM makes that decision or not.

Sure the GM is free to make bad choices if he wants too. That doesn't chance the fact. Sam Howell has been very good on a team with a terrible HC and staff, No offensive line and no defence capable of giving him a chance to win.

As busty as the QB position has been high up in the draft lately and as many holes as this team has. It makes zero sense to take a QB high in the draft this year. Yes semanticly, the gm does make the call. But if he makes that call he's a clown and shouldn't be employed.i just condone trying to take a possible stud QB with a high pick instead of fixing the rest of the team, when QB is arguably the second or first strongest position on the team.

I'm not saying we don't draft a QB at all but we shouldn't be looking for one before the 4th or 5th round .

Guys I'd keep an eye on

Quinn Ewers from Texas
Riley Leonard from duke.
Tyler Van Dyke from Miami
Cameron Ward from wash state.
Joe Milton III form Tennessee

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[LyricalRico]

After Sunday’s loss, Dolphins linebacker David Long Jr. spoke to the media and offered some revealing thoughts about the offense.

“All you really have to do to defend this team is just be disciplined,” Long said via Nicki Jhabvala of The Washington Post. “They kind of struggle with the routine parts. When we watched them play, their best stuff was when [Sam] Howell was scrambling, or they moved the pocket and just let him try to make plays. There’s gonna be rollouts and breaking the pocket, plaster. But if you just stay on your man or find somebody when you don’t have nobody, it’s really easy to defeat stuff like that.”

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/04/dolphins-lb-on-commanders-offense-they-struggle-with-the-routine-parts/

So either they don't have guys who can execute, or there's something wrong with Bienemy's coaching. Maybe he's focusing too much on the complicated stuff (trying to recreate KC) and the fundamentals are falling through the cracks? You'd think that's where the HC would come in, but Ron's pretty much checked out at this point.

[gambitx777]

After Sunday’s loss, Dolphins linebacker David Long Jr. spoke to the media and offered some revealing thoughts about the offense.

“All you really have to do to defend this team is just be disciplined,” Long said via Nicki Jhabvala of The Washington Post. “They kind of struggle with the routine parts. When we watched them play, their best stuff was when [Sam] Howell was scrambling, or they moved the pocket and just let him try to make plays. There’s gonna be rollouts and breaking the pocket, plaster. But if you just stay on your man or find somebody when you don’t have nobody, it’s really easy to defeat stuff like that.”

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/04/dolphins-lb-on-commanders-offense-they-struggle-with-the-routine-parts/

So either they don't have guys who can execute, or there's something wrong with Bienemy's coaching. Maybe he's focusing too much on the complicated stuff (trying to recreate KC) and the fundamentals are falling through the cracks? You'd think that's where the HC would come in, but Ron's pretty much checked out at this point.

I personally think Eric isn't that good. Either that or Ron is really ham stringing him.

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[pancakes3]

After Sunday’s loss, Dolphins linebacker David Long Jr. spoke to the media and offered some revealing thoughts about the offense.

“All you really have to do to defend this team is just be disciplined,” Long said via Nicki Jhabvala of The Washington Post. “They kind of struggle with the routine parts. When we watched them play, their best stuff was when [Sam] Howell was scrambling, or they moved the pocket and just let him try to make plays. There’s gonna be rollouts and breaking the pocket, plaster. But if you just stay on your man or find somebody when you don’t have nobody, it’s really easy to defeat stuff like that.”

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/04/dolphins-lb-on-commanders-offense-they-struggle-with-the-routine-parts/

So either they don't have guys who can execute, or there's something wrong with Bienemy's coaching. Maybe he's focusing too much on the complicated stuff (trying to recreate KC) and the fundamentals are falling through the cracks? You'd think that's where the HC would come in, but Ron's pretty much checked out at this point.

I personally think Eric isn't that good. Either that or Ron is really ham stringing him.

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there's another part of that interview where he said that there's nobody on the offense that you need to alter your game plan for - guys that you have to shade or bracket which opens up opportunities for the rest of the offense. he said that Terry could be that guy but they don't call plays for him or use him enough for the defense to respect him.

Kelce is that dude on KC, and Kelce also breaks routes off and improvs a lot - to find the soft spot in the offense and he has a good enough repoire with Mahomes where it works. Bienemy is more of a strict x's and o's guy and likes to spread the ball around evenly based on what was drawn up - definitely a guy who thinks that if the play is executed, someone will be open. makes sense coming from a former running back where execution is everything.

I don't think Bienemy is horrible, but he's also not THE BEST out there. But I think he's the best we can hope for right now, and more importantly, he's like 12th on the list of priorities and reasons why the offense isn't what KC's is.

[pancakes3]

Just to defend Bienemy a little more here, the Chiefs' offense is looking worse with him gone. The dude brings something to the table.

[LyricalRico]

Just to defend Bienemy a little more here, the Chiefs' offense is looking worse with him gone. The dude brings something to the table.

I'm not inclined to link KC's struggles to EB's departure. After all, it was always Andy Reid's system and he was the primary playcaller. They also don't have any NFL caliber WRs on the roster this year, so it's not like EB leaving is the only difference. I wouldn't be surprised if they get a couple studs between FA and the draft and suddenly their offense looks like it used to.

[Kanyewest]

Just to defend Bienemy a little more here, the Chiefs' offense is looking worse with him gone. The dude brings something to the table.

I'm not inclined to link KC's struggles to EB's departure. After all, it was always Andy Reid's system and he was the primary playcaller. They also don't have any NFL caliber WRs on the roster this year, so it's not like EB leaving is the only difference. I wouldn't be surprised if they get a couple studs between FA and the draft and suddenly their offense looks like it used to.

Did Juju fall off, was he a product of Reid/Bienemy's system, or are the Pats just that bad? Probably a combination of all those things. Rashee rice seems to be alright.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

If Daniels is on the board when we pick, do we draft him?

[TGW]

If Daniels is on the board when we pick, do we draft him?

Goes back to the Sam Howell debate...it's up to the new GM.

In my opinion, they should take BPA every pick. Don't worry about position. If the new GM grades Daniels as the best player at their pick, then take him. I'm desperately hoping they can get to 3rd and have a shot at Harrison Jr, but a lot of things would have to work out for that to happen.

[TGW]

Just to defend Bienemy a little more here, the Chiefs' offense is looking worse with him gone. The dude brings something to the table.

Bienemy is fine. He was just the wrong OC for the wrong team. His concepts would 100% work with a roster with real offensive weapons. The WC are not that team. The offensive consisted of what is basically a rookie quarterback, a decent running back, and decent but not gamebreaking receivers. And he inherited the worst offensive line in the NFL.

His offense will work. It just needs the right personnel, like any other offense.