Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[winforlose]

I’d definitely trade Moore and the Memphis 2nd rounder for Bones.

Bones
NAW
Brown
Slowmo
Naz

That’s a very well rounded bench with microwave scorers, defenders, ball handlers and spacers.

3 questions

1. Can Bones facilitate instead of hunting his own shot?
2. Can Bones defend at a high level inside our scheme?
3. Is he going to be a locker room problem?

I love our chemistry right now, drama is not what this team needs. Also, I am not sure Bones can play the 6-10 AST PG consistently. I do think his floor spacing would be good, but I question his fit defensively. For Moore straight up, sure. Very low risk. More than that I don’t know.

[Mattya]

I’d definitely trade Moore and the Memphis 2nd rounder for Bones.

Bones
NAW
Brown
Slowmo
Naz

That’s a very well rounded bench with microwave scorers, defenders, ball handlers and spacers.

3 questions

1. Can Bones facilitate instead of hunting his own shot?
2. Can Bones defend at a high level inside our scheme?
3. Is he going to be a locker room problem?

I love our chemistry right now, drama is not what this team needs. Also, I am not sure Bones can play the 6-10 AST PG consistently. I do think his floor spacing would be good, but I question his fit defensively. For Moore straight up, sure. Very low risk. More than that I don’t know.

1. Why does he need to be a high assist point guard?
2. We are the best defensive team in the league currently, do you think Bones ruins the defense any more than Shake?
3. Why are we worried about chemistry when the cost is this low? Can literally send him home if he causes problems. Moore and this second rounder have extremely low value.

[winforlose]

I’d definitely trade Moore and the Memphis 2nd rounder for Bones.

Bones
NAW
Brown
Slowmo
Naz

That’s a very well rounded bench with microwave scorers, defenders, ball handlers and spacers.

3 questions

1. Can Bones facilitate instead of hunting his own shot?
2. Can Bones defend at a high level inside our scheme?
3. Is he going to be a locker room problem?

I love our chemistry right now, drama is not what this team needs. Also, I am not sure Bones can play the 6-10 AST PG consistently. I do think his floor spacing would be good, but I question his fit defensively. For Moore straight up, sure. Very low risk. More than that I don’t know.

1. Why does he need to be a high assist point guard?
2. We are the best defensive team in the league currently, do you think Bones ruins the defense any more than Shake?
3. Why are we worried about chemistry when the cost is this low? Can literally send him home if he causes problems. Moore and this second rounder have extremely low value.

1. The value of Mike or JMAC is that they run the offense better. Of course scoring is important, especially for floor spacing, but the big difference this year is willing passing and controlling the chaos.
2. I want to make it clear that Shake should not be in the rotation until he gets his game back. That said, Hyland gives up 3 inches and I don’t know how serious he is about playing defense. This could rub guys like Rudy the wrong way. The issue is more mindset than anything else.
3. You don’t wanna have to do that. You would give him a chance and his discontent would slowly build. I think it is more of a risk than you do.

Also, I doubt the Clippers want Moore. One injury to Rus and Hyland is their backup PG. The same is not necessarily true of Moore. Hyland is their 11th man and Moore is not rotation ready.

[younggunsmn]

Hard no on Bones Hyland. From whats been said, he's fallen out with 2 teams already.
Low BBIQ, bad teammate, no defense. We don't need that on our team.
I wouldn't even offer him a 2-way if he were a free agent.

We built our identity by moving away from guys like D-Lo and Beasley. We don't need a less talented version.
Jmac will be back, and while Shake's offensive game has fallen off a cliff, he's not killing the team with bad defense or selfish play.
I'll give him until the trade deadline, at which point I'd see what we could get for him + Moore if he doesn't improve.

[Mattya]

3 questions

1. Can Bones facilitate instead of hunting his own shot?
2. Can Bones defend at a high level inside our scheme?
3. Is he going to be a locker room problem?

I love our chemistry right now, drama is not what this team needs. Also, I am not sure Bones can play the 6-10 AST PG consistently. I do think his floor spacing would be good, but I question his fit defensively. For Moore straight up, sure. Very low risk. More than that I don’t know.

1. Why does he need to be a high assist point guard?
2. We are the best defensive team in the league currently, do you think Bones ruins the defense any more than Shake?
3. Why are we worried about chemistry when the cost is this low? Can literally send him home if he causes problems. Moore and this second rounder have extremely low value.

1. The value of Mike or JMAC is that they run the offense better. Of course scoring is important, especially for floor spacing, but the big difference this year is willing passing and controlling the chaos.
2. I want to make it clear that Shake should not be in the rotation until he gets his game back. That said, Hyland gives up 3 inches and I don’t know how serious he is about playing defense. This could rub guys like Rudy the wrong way. The issue is more mindset than anything else.
3. You don’t wanna have to do that. You would give him a chance and his discontent would slowly build. I think it is more of a risk than you do.

Also, I doubt the Clippers want Moore. One injury to Rus and Hyland is their backup PG. The same is not necessarily true of Moore. Hyland is their 11th man and Moore is not rotation ready.

Who said Bines would play over Conley?

[twolves31]

Hard no on Bones Hyland. From whats been said, he's fallen out with 2 teams already.
Low BBIQ, bad teammate, no defense. We don't need that on our team.
I wouldn't even offer him a 2-way if he were a free agent.

We built our identity by moving away from guys like D-Lo and Beasley. We don't need a less talented version.
Jmac will be back, and while Shake's offensive game has fallen off a cliff, he's not killing the team with bad defense or selfish play.
I'll give him until the trade deadline, at which point I'd see what we could get for him + Moore if he doesn't improve.

And in the playoffs, when KAT and Ant are both on the bench I don't want to see you on the game threads crying that we don't have someone that can put the ball in the basket besides Naz. Granted we could trade for or sign a waived player after the trade deadline that can handle that 10-15 minutes of offensive firepower off the bench. I'm not willing to say hard no on a guy that can score a bucket.

[winforlose]

Hard no on Bones Hyland. From whats been said, he's fallen out with 2 teams already.
Low BBIQ, bad teammate, no defense. We don't need that on our team.
I wouldn't even offer him a 2-way if he were a free agent.

We built our identity by moving away from guys like D-Lo and Beasley. We don't need a less talented version.
Jmac will be back, and while Shake's offensive game has fallen off a cliff, he's not killing the team with bad defense or selfish play.
I'll give him until the trade deadline, at which point I'd see what we could get for him + Moore if he doesn't improve.

And in the playoffs, when KAT and Ant are both on the bench I don't want to see you on the game threads crying that we don't have someone that can put the ball in the basket besides Naz. Granted we could trade for or sign a waived player after the trade deadline that can handle that 10-15 minutes of offensive firepower off the bench. I'm not willing to say hard no on a guy that can score a bucket.

KAT and Ant should never both be on the bench in the playoffs. Only with foul trouble and even then it would be short stints. As for the scoring options, Bite Bite, TBJ, and NAW can all get hot and score. MCD needs to develop a consistent corner 3 and attack more off the dribble. Rudy can keep pulling his turn and dunk over you move. Whoever we add needs to be a decent defender and able to facilitate the offense. Bones is more a shoot first guy than a make your teammates better.

[shrink]

Sometimes I wonder that the lack of a third scorer was by design, leaving room for Jaden McPippen to develop

[vtime]

Yeah Jaden is going to have to be an offensive factor, 27 mil a year isn’t just for defense. Needs to get up to 14-16 points a game at some point.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Jaden will be our 3rd offensive weapon, i have no doubt aout that. Just need to stay healthy and keep improving.

[younggunsmn]

Jaden has an astounding effective FG% of 65% right now.
Sure, he can be more involved in the offense, but he's absolutely been a positive offensively.
And he's only going to get better.
He's also competing with Ant, KAT, and Rudy for touches.


Jaden also spends a ridiculous amount of energy on defense chasing the other team's best offensive player around through a labyrinth of screens all night. I don't think we all get just how difficult that is.
NAW has been putting in a top notch effort trying to fill that role the past couple weeks, but he's still not Jaden.

How effective do you think Ant would be if he also had to do that all night long every night?

[younggunsmn]

Hard no on Bones Hyland. From whats been said, he's fallen out with 2 teams already.
Low BBIQ, bad teammate, no defense. We don't need that on our team.
I wouldn't even offer him a 2-way if he were a free agent.

We built our identity by moving away from guys like D-Lo and Beasley. We don't need a less talented version.
Jmac will be back, and while Shake's offensive game has fallen off a cliff, he's not killing the team with bad defense or selfish play.
I'll give him until the trade deadline, at which point I'd see what we could get for him + Moore if he doesn't improve.

And in the playoffs, when KAT and Ant are both on the bench I don't want to see you on the game threads crying that we don't have someone that can put the ball in the basket besides Naz. Granted we could trade for or sign a waived player after the trade deadline that can handle that 10-15 minutes of offensive firepower off the bench. I'm not willing to say hard no on a guy that can score a bucket.

Hyland's shooting numbers are mediocre to put it kindly. We all would like more firepower off the bench but this guy is definitely not it.

[winforlose]

Having a set scoring 3 is nice. But having 5 guys who can do it on any given night is just as good.

[vtime]

Jaden has an astounding effective FG% of 65% right now.
Sure, he can be more involved in the offense, but he's absolutely been a positive offensively.
And he's only going to get better.
He's also competing with Ant, KAT, and Rudy for touches.


Jaden also spends a ridiculous amount of energy on defense chasing the other team's best offensive player around through a labyrinth of screens all night. I don't think we all get just how difficult that is.
NAW has been putting in a top notch effort trying to fill that role the past couple weeks, but he's still not Jaden.

How effective do you think Ant would be if he also had to do that all night long every night?

Great chance if will be just the big 4 and Naz next year with 2 way and minimum guys so he needs to start showing more assertiveness now to be prepared to step into a much larger offensive role next season.

[winforlose]

Jaden has an astounding effective FG% of 65% right now.
Sure, he can be more involved in the offense, but he's absolutely been a positive offensively.
And he's only going to get better.
He's also competing with Ant, KAT, and Rudy for touches.


Jaden also spends a ridiculous amount of energy on defense chasing the other team's best offensive player around through a labyrinth of screens all night. I don't think we all get just how difficult that is.
NAW has been putting in a top notch effort trying to fill that role the past couple weeks, but he's still not Jaden.

How effective do you think Ant would be if he also had to do that all night long every night?

Great chance if will be just the big 4 and Naz next year with 2 way and minimum guys so he needs to start showing more assertiveness now to be prepared to step into a much larger offensive role next season.

Correct me if I am wrong, but TBJ and NAW are both under contract next year. We have partial bird on Kyle, and full bird on Mike. If we finish conference finals or better I think it is more likely than not we run it back. Especially if we win the whole thing.

[vtime]

Jaden has an astounding effective FG% of 65% right now.
Sure, he can be more involved in the offense, but he's absolutely been a positive offensively.
And he's only going to get better.
He's also competing with Ant, KAT, and Rudy for touches.


Jaden also spends a ridiculous amount of energy on defense chasing the other team's best offensive player around through a labyrinth of screens all night. I don't think we all get just how difficult that is.
NAW has been putting in a top notch effort trying to fill that role the past couple weeks, but he's still not Jaden.

How effective do you think Ant would be if he also had to do that all night long every night?

Great chance if will be just the big 4 and Naz next year with 2 way and minimum guys so he needs to start showing more assertiveness now to be prepared to step into a much larger offensive role next season.

Correct me if I am wrong, but TBJ and NAW are both under contract next year. We have partial bird on Kyle, and full bird on Mike. If we finish conference finals or better I think it is more likely than not we run it back. Especially if we win the whole thing.

NAW is under contract, I did leave him off on accident. TBJ and Shake have team options that would have to be declined, along with Conley and Slo Mo walking to avoid the 2nd apron, and even that won’t avoid the apron if Ant makes All NBA. This is moot if ownership is willing to pay up and Connelly is willing to manage the apron, but this is likely a very different team outside the core next year. Thats why folks wanted to trade Towns, but he’s played his way out of that crazy talk.

[winforlose]

Great chance if will be just the big 4 and Naz next year with 2 way and minimum guys so he needs to start showing more assertiveness now to be prepared to step into a much larger offensive role next season.

Correct me if I am wrong, but TBJ and NAW are both under contract next year. We have partial bird on Kyle, and full bird on Mike. If we finish conference finals or better I think it is more likely than not we run it back. Especially if we win the whole thing.

NAW is under contract, I did leave him off on accident. TBJ and Shake have team options that would have to be declined, along with Conley and Slo Mo walking to avoid the 2nd apron, and even that won’t avoid the apron if Ant makes All NBA. This is moot if ownership is willing to pay up and Connelly is willing to manage the apron, but this is likely a very different team outside the core next year. Thats why folks wanted to trade Towns, but he’s played his way out of that crazy talk.

One thing about this conversation puzzles me. I thought the media rights deal is going to significantly raise the cap. This in turn raises the tax and the aprons. So isn’t it just one expensive year with tax?

[Danimals]

I’d like to see a trade like Shake and Moore, maybe a 2nd for a vet guard. Can Nix be added for more salary? If so I like Morris, Burks, or Wright. Vets who will play there role with no commitment past this year.

[Mamba4Goat]

I’d like to see a trade like Shake and Moore, maybe a 2nd for a vet guard. Can Nix be added for more salary? If so I like Morris, Burks, or Wright. Vets who will play there role with no commitment past this year.

No, Nix couldn’t be included for extra salary. Unfortunately if Minnesota is doing a two for one type trade they would basically have to match the salary or receive less. They’re so close to the lux tax and more or less only have a vet min’s worth of wiggle room. In the event of a two for one they’d need to sign someone to a standard contract to get to the league roster minimum and that’d take up the wiggle room of a vet min.


Troy Brown and Shake made more sense as a set of matching salary but TBJ has been awesome and has potentially taken himself off of the potential market.

[shrink]

One thing about this conversation puzzles me. I thought the media rights deal is going to significantly raise the cap. This in turn raises the tax and the aprons. So isn’t it just one expensive year with tax?

In 2016, a new tv deal was about to spike the salary cap. The league suggested cap smoothing, so that the cap would only go up a smaller amount each year for the next few years, and additional money would be put in escrow. The Players Union rejected it. The results were players that happened to be eligible for new contracts that year got huge deals since every team had cap space. The most memorable event was the 73-9 Warriors suddenly had the cap space to add Kevin Durant.

This time around, the Players Union agreed to cap smoothing, and regardless of how profitable the new tv deal is, the cap will only go up 10%. It will continue to go up 10% for the next few years (even if that year is below), until the new influx of money balances back out. This tells us what the maximum salary cap will be, and more importantly, where the second apron will land.