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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#361 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 5:38 pm

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So basically you are saying if he had Dame the Bucks would have won more titles with Bud.


We will never know and I doubt something like that would be even possible with Bud as the headcoach.
He didn't like PGs and he only wanted guards capable of fighting over screens just to be able to drop Brook as deep as possible.
With Bud as the coach the trade never happens, we keep Jrue, our half court offense remains bad, our 3p shooting terrible in the playoffs and our defense gets exploited from certain guards and coaches.


giannis is the pg and if not him its middleton initiating... perhaps the only ball dominant guy in the league capable of true synergy with him is middleton is the thought that crosses my mind. they just been at it so long and middleton plays with no ego. i always said he was the best practical #2 and now its just can he remain healthy.

so i try to visualize our team with a guy having a higher usage than giannis and i just cant see it. if giannis is the guy with the usage then hes the pg tho. and if thats the case then lower usage 2 way guys like jrue even bledsoe start to look like the ideal pairing.

but thats before we even get to buds defensive system. what that was... was just perfect. there was no system better for our guys with lopez and giannis in the middle. weve **** up both sides almost comically at this point.

you mentioned the hawks getting the better of us under bud... lets see how it goes tonight.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#362 » by greekbuck34 » Sat Dec 2, 2023 5:46 pm

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We will never know and I doubt something like that would be even possible with Bud as the headcoach.
He didn't like PGs and he only wanted guards capable of fighting over screens just to be able to drop Brook as deep as possible.
With Bud as the coach the trade never happens, we keep Jrue, our half court offense remains bad, our 3p shooting terrible in the playoffs and our defense gets exploited from certain guards and coaches.


giannis is the pg and if not him its middleton initiating... perhaps the only ball dominant guy in the league capable of synergy with him is middleton is the thought that crosses my mind.

i try to visualize our team with a guy having a higher usage than giannis and i just cant see it. if hes the guy with the usage then hes the pg tho. and if thats the case then the 2 way guys like bledsoe and maybe jrue start to look like the ideal pairing


You don't have to visualize. Just watch our offense the last 15 games or so. Basically Giannis and Dame scoring 30 each, our team moving the ball and hitting open 3s at a high rate and/or random guys like Malik and Brook having career nights. All of that while we are struggling with our defense, looking for chemistry, Middleton on minutes restriction and our depth in trouble because of the injuries. We are a top 5 offense for a reason.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#363 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 5:51 pm

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We will never know and I doubt something like that would be even possible with Bud as the headcoach.
He didn't like PGs and he only wanted guards capable of fighting over screens just to be able to drop Brook as deep as possible.
With Bud as the coach the trade never happens, we keep Jrue, our half court offense remains bad, our 3p shooting terrible in the playoffs and our defense gets exploited from certain guards and coaches.


giannis is the pg and if not him its middleton initiating... perhaps the only ball dominant guy in the league capable of synergy with him is middleton is the thought that crosses my mind.

i try to visualize our team with a guy having a higher usage than giannis and i just cant see it. if hes the guy with the usage then hes the pg tho. and if thats the case then the 2 way guys like bledsoe and maybe jrue start to look like the ideal pairing


You don't have to visualize. Just watch our offense the last 15 games or so. Basically Giannis and Dame scoring 30 each, our team moving the ball and hitting open 3s at a high rate and/or random guys like Malik and Brook having career nights. All of that while we are struggling with our defense, looking for chemistry, Middleton on minutes restriction and our depth in trouble because of the injuries. We are a top 5 offense for a reason.


offensively i would agree we may be able to force it on talent alone. im nervous how that will look against better teams with strong individual defenders but you may be right. buds play random offense still had people in very specific spots and roles but is much closer to what we see today

suggesting we just "fix the defense" will be impossible unless the players flat out conference call with bud every night before games AND we sacrifice some offensive firepower for better defenders. buds system was far stronger on that side in the sense that the offensive play random way weve tradionally played on offense is still largely how we appraoch things now. just more talent with a bit less organization
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#364 » by greekbuck34 » Sat Dec 2, 2023 6:05 pm

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giannis is the pg and if not him its middleton initiating... perhaps the only ball dominant guy in the league capable of synergy with him is middleton is the thought that crosses my mind.

i try to visualize our team with a guy having a higher usage than giannis and i just cant see it. if hes the guy with the usage then hes the pg tho. and if thats the case then the 2 way guys like bledsoe and maybe jrue start to look like the ideal pairing


You don't have to visualize. Just watch our offense the last 15 games or so. Basically Giannis and Dame scoring 30 each, our team moving the ball and hitting open 3s at a high rate and/or random guys like Malik and Brook having career nights. All of that while we are struggling with our defense, looking for chemistry, Middleton on minutes restriction and our depth in trouble because of the injuries. We are a top 5 offense for a reason.


offensively i would agree we may be able to force it on talent alone. im nervous how that will look against better teams with strong individual defenders but you may be right. buds play random offense still had people in very specific spots and roles but is much closer to what we see today

suggesting we just "fix the defense" will be impossible unless the players flat out conference call with bud every night before games. buds system was far stronger on that side in the sense that the offensive play random way weve tradionally played on offense is still largely how we appraoch things now. just more talent with a bit less organization


Defense can't be fixed in a sense of making it top 3 or better. It's a personel issue. It was a must needed sacrifice to fix the problems of the past. Half court offense, better spacing/3p shooting and clutch situations. We brought 2 PGs(Dame and Cam Payne) and Beasley and we "magically" fixed those issues instantly.

All we need to do is to push our defense from 20th to +10th to become championship contenders. It's a hard task but not impossible. Once we get healthy and have more games under our feet we can get better. If we don't until the ASB we have to make a move for a defensive stopper. It's still too soon to despair and say dumb things like you.

Overall I have more hope of beating the Celtics and the Heat with this offense and a mediocre defense than with the last season's roster and Bud's defense.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#365 » by SirChurros » Sat Dec 2, 2023 6:12 pm

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Krispy Kreme wrote:Bud certainly had his flaws, but Bud was absolutely a scapegoat.


virtually every single one of "his flaws"......in retrospect....were his genius.

if you dont see it that way now in time you will. just wait. this **** is going to get ugly as hell. whats happening now is just the beginning. its the tip of the iceberg. were going to have poor success. contracts that were good will become bad. a lockerrroom that was the best in the league will deteriorate. there wont be a single aspect that doesnt go to ****.

this is still milwaukee. our market matters and all the things he did that corrected this **** .500 club he inherited....people just started to take for granted. the things he did and for the reasons why will are already becoming obvious.....and as strongly as i felt at the time of his firing.... now I KNOW. its over. you cant unring that bell. the next guy and the next guy wont be able to correct this even if he implemented the exact **** bud did. i think we all know this just some wont admit it

bottom line firing bud was a top 1-2 **** up in the franchises history..... but anyway lets move on.... go bucks. hopefully we beat the hawks at home tonight. its nuts were all worried about it but we will never not worry about games like this again....but like i said... go bucks

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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#366 » by Prez » Sat Dec 2, 2023 6:51 pm

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You don't have to visualize. Just watch our offense the last 15 games or so. Basically Giannis and Dame scoring 30 each, our team moving the ball and hitting open 3s at a high rate and/or random guys like Malik and Brook having career nights. All of that while we are struggling with our defense, looking for chemistry, Middleton on minutes restriction and our depth in trouble because of the injuries. We are a top 5 offense for a reason.


offensively i would agree we may be able to force it on talent alone. im nervous how that will look against better teams with strong individual defenders but you may be right. buds play random offense still had people in very specific spots and roles but is much closer to what we see today

suggesting we just "fix the defense" will be impossible unless the players flat out conference call with bud every night before games. buds system was far stronger on that side in the sense that the offensive play random way weve tradionally played on offense is still largely how we appraoch things now. just more talent with a bit less organization


Defense can't be fixed in a sense of making it top 3 or better. It's a personel issue. It was a must needed sacrifice to fix the problems of the past. Half court offense, better spacing/3p shooting and clutch situations. We brought 2 PGs(Dame and Cam Payne) and Beasley and we "magically" fixed those issues instantly.

All we need to do is to push our defense from 20th to +10th to become championship contenders. It's a hard task but not impossible. Once we get healthy and have more games under our feet we can get better. If we don't until the ASB we have to make a move for a defensive stopper. It's still too soon to despair and say dumb things like you.

Overall I have more hope of beating the Celtics and the Heat with this offense and a mediocre defense than with the last season's roster and Bud's defense.

It’s really not just a personnel issue, it’s a personnel issue AND a coaching issue, and the latter is especially concerning because our coach is supposedly a “defensive minded” coach.

We are 26th in opponent turnover rate despite that literally being one of the main goals of his aggressive defensive scheme.

He’s taken a team with a dominant rim protecting duo, and after being #1 or #2 in the entire league 4 out of the last 5 seasons (only season they weren’t top 2 was the year Brook was out with the back injury), has us league average because we’re taking that big man duo further away from the basket.

One of our other biggest advantages was rebounding and that has cratered to 22nd in the league in large part because of the poor positions players are being put into. Unless you think the difference between the Bucks being #1 in rebounding last season (and #1 in 3 of the last 5 seasons, and top 5 every season) and #22 this year - despite having the same front court/bigs - is Jrue/Bledsoe.

If we want to keep pretending that it’s all just a personnel issue that a couple minor trades will fix and that everything’s fine because our record is pretty, this team is going to get clowned off the court - again - by the likes of Spo (or Nurse) in a series.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#367 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:12 pm

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Defense can't be fixed in a sense of making it top 3 or better. It's a personel issue. It was a must needed sacrifice to fix the problems of the past. Half court offense, better spacing/3p shooting and clutch situations. We brought 2 PGs(Dame and Cam Payne) and Beasley and we "magically" fixed those issues instantly.

All we need to do is to push our defense from 20th to +10th to become championship contenders. It's a hard task but not impossible. Once we get healthy and have more games under our feet we can get better. If we don't until the ASB we have to make a move for a defensive stopper. It's still too soon to despair and say dumb things like you.

Overall I have more hope of beating the Celtics and the Heat with this offense and a mediocre defense than with the last season's roster and Bud's defense.


considering how badly and how often giannis is getting roasted defensively as an individual paired along with the metrics of this team when hes on the floor....you need to be very very very careful describing whats happening as a personel problem with the rest of the way you are descrbing giannis.

its a system issue. if its personnel then lets talk about how somehow giannis has managed to not be a two way player anymore and the ramifications of that if its true.

so as ive said over and over in this thread..... i dont care how much talent a guy has if hes not used properly he will fail. we have the personnel just as we had it before. its the coach whose changed. thats the problem. all im really arguing here is the next guy and the next guy are going to get a bad result too unless they are a walking talking clone of the old guy
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#368 » by greekbuck34 » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:16 pm

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offensively i would agree we may be able to force it on talent alone. im nervous how that will look against better teams with strong individual defenders but you may be right. buds play random offense still had people in very specific spots and roles but is much closer to what we see today

suggesting we just "fix the defense" will be impossible unless the players flat out conference call with bud every night before games. buds system was far stronger on that side in the sense that the offensive play random way weve tradionally played on offense is still largely how we appraoch things now. just more talent with a bit less organization


Defense can't be fixed in a sense of making it top 3 or better. It's a personel issue. It was a must needed sacrifice to fix the problems of the past. Half court offense, better spacing/3p shooting and clutch situations. We brought 2 PGs(Dame and Cam Payne) and Beasley and we "magically" fixed those issues instantly.

All we need to do is to push our defense from 20th to +10th to become championship contenders. It's a hard task but not impossible. Once we get healthy and have more games under our feet we can get better. If we don't until the ASB we have to make a move for a defensive stopper. It's still too soon to despair and say dumb things like you.

Overall I have more hope of beating the Celtics and the Heat with this offense and a mediocre defense than with the last season's roster and Bud's defense.

It’s really not just a personnel issue, it’s a personnel issue AND a coaching issue, and the latter is especially concerning because our coach is supposedly a “defensive minded” coach.



I mean it's a personnel issue in terms of potential. You can get the best coaching possible, perfect chemistry and 5 years of experience with this group and you will still be unable to put up a top 5 defense with Dame as the PG, Payne as his back up, Beasley and Pat your best shooting guards and current Khris as your SF. You just can't do it.

But I agree whatever we are doing right now it doesn't work. Bud's drop defense is also not possible without a trio like Jrue/Wes/Carter fighting over screens too. So we just have to experiment and hope Griffin finds the best possible solution, the squad to find chemistry and get experience running it for +30 games straight and in the end to put up a + top 10 defense before the playoffs.

Trading for a guy like Caruso can fix that pretty quick but can we do it without messing up our top 5 offense?
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Post#369 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:20 pm

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Defense can't be fixed in a sense of making it top 3 or better. It's a personel issue. It was a must needed sacrifice to fix the problems of the past. Half court offense, better spacing/3p shooting and clutch situations. We brought 2 PGs(Dame and Cam Payne) and Beasley and we "magically" fixed those issues instantly.

All we need to do is to push our defense from 20th to +10th to become championship contenders. It's a hard task but not impossible. Once we get healthy and have more games under our feet we can get better. If we don't until the ASB we have to make a move for a defensive stopper. It's still too soon to despair and say dumb things like you.

Overall I have more hope of beating the Celtics and the Heat with this offense and a mediocre defense than with the last season's roster and Bud's defense.

It’s really not just a personnel issue, it’s a personnel issue AND a coaching issue, and the latter is especially concerning because our coach is supposedly a “defensive minded” coach.



I mean it's a personnel issue in terms of potential. You can get the best coaching possible, perfect chemistry and 5 years of experience with this group and you will still be unable to put up a top 5 defense with Dame as the PG, Payne as his back up, Beasley and Pat your best shooting guards and current Khris as your SF. You just can't do it.

But I agree whatever we are doing right now it doesn't work. Bud's drop defense is also not possible without a trio like Jrue/Wes/Carter fighting over screens too. So we just have to experiment and hope Griffin finds the best possible solution, the squad to find chemistry and get experience running it for +30 games straight and in the end to put up a + top 10 defense before the playoffs.

Trading for a guy like Caruso can fix that pretty quick but can we do it without messing up our top 5 offense?


again... youre making the big mistake here. youre not even close focusing on the guard play alone. our rebounding is to **** and weve literally been better defensively in every last one of malik beasleys and dames minutes than we have been with giannis on the floor.

dame drtg on 113.8
beasley drtg on 115.2
giannis drtg on 116.0

how do you explain that exactly?

simple.. its our bigs being used improperly. thats not to say that the old system wed still be top 5 but to be average we need a system that relies on the teeth of our defense and thats giannis and lopez protecting the rim. an emphasis on rebounding and taking away fast break points point 2 and point 3 would be kind of nice too.

ibrooks been better offensively this year but i think one reason bud resisted posting him near the basket was he didnt want him last man down defensively every time. id be curious what everybodys take is on why us giving up fast break points is such a thing but it has to do to some degree with our bigs getting back
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Post#370 » by greekbuck34 » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:46 pm

Low volume and the away games Dame has missed against the best defense(Magic) and the best offense(Pacers) of the league that Giannis played.

Our top 2 used lineups by far actually have great net rating so let's hope we find a couple of working ones for our second unit which is struggling right now with so many injured.

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Post#372 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:48 pm

if one thing gives me hope its middleton. it all goes to **** when hes off the floor and it looks like hell fire when hes on

5 man lineup
lopez, giannis, middleton, beasley, dame

Ortg 120.5
Drtg 105.0
141 minutes

4 man lineup
lopez, giannis, middleton, dame

Ortg 118.9
Drtg 105.4
133 minutes

when hes been out there with "the squad" weve been good and it doesnt even matter who the 5th is. i hope he stays healthy. the **** has gone down when hes been sitting
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Post#373 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:49 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:Low volume and the away games Dame have missed against the best defense(Magic) and the best offense(Pacers) of the league that Giannis played.

Our top 2 used lineups by far actually have great net rating so let's hope we find a couple of working ones for our second unit which is struggling right now with so many injured.

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ha!! beat me to it. lets end on this high note and nice to see a patc lineup working if middeltons out
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Post#374 » by greekbuck34 » Sat Dec 2, 2023 7:54 pm

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greekbuck34 wrote:Low volume and the away games Dame have missed against the best defense(Magic) and the best offense(Pacers) of the league that Giannis played.

Our top 2 used lineups by far actually have great net rating so let's hope we find a couple of working ones for our second unit which is struggling right now with so many injured.

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ha!! beat me to it. lets end on this high note!


You see even us after, an proper civil war, started to find chemistry. So why can't you just wait for a few months for the Bucks too?
If a lineup of Dame, Beasley, Khris, Giannis and Brook can have 105.5 defensive rating....

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Post#375 » by nagawicka » Sat Dec 2, 2023 8:30 pm

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Yes. Bulls without their (arguably) two best players and we were completely outcoached and lost.

Regardless of who we're up against, the opposition coach can run systems that will cause us to fail repeatedly.

Not regardless of personnel, they got outplayed.


No, they got outcoached. Caruso even said it after the game, that they knew exactly how to play us to get open shots all night.

We were slow. We did not get after it. Caruso & Co were quick, hustled hard, and never gave up, give credit where credit's due.
You can argue bucks players didn't 'cause they didn't believe in the scheme, but you can't claim they weren't outplayed.
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Post#376 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Dec 2, 2023 8:43 pm

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You see even us after, an proper civil war, started to find chemistry. So why can't you just wait for a few months for the Bucks too?
If a lineup of Dame, Beasley, Khris, Giannis and Brook can have 105.5 defensive rating....



here was my first posts in the thread the day bud got fired. page 7

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2287421&start=160

my very first reaction.

bud was a milwaukee buck treasure in his own right. i dont think a new coach will win as much with giannis and i gaurantee a new coach wont win as much without him. i sense the future for us is the future i experienced in my childhood after nelson left.

so im not just bummd by this im actually a bit pissed. this was the wrong move imo. obviously i hope im wrong but i feel it in my bones that we just effed up royally.


losing in the first round is on Giannis Antetokounmpo and to a lesser extent khris and jrue.

bud gave these guys the keys to a system that has dominated the league and ultimately won a championship. but it isnt foolproof. he cant make them play hard, he cant make them not take idiotic chucked shots early in the clock, he cant make them unselfish. he cant stop giannis from being a westbrook clone or khris from being out of shape or jrue from his rollercoaster ways.

our guys have become lazy and entitled. giannis is an incredible talent but also the most overrated simplistic superstar the league has ever seen besides maybe shaq. but at least shaq wasnt running point. bringing in a coach to crack their heads and "play smarter" will backfire. bringing in a pg to "run the team" is laughable. ask malcolm brogdon about how that will work out.

for me i suspect the era of bucks dominance has ended. it began the minute bud arrived and it will end the day he leaves. giannis and khris were well into their prime and still nothing special as it relates to winning **** until he got here. lets not forget that

i become more pissed the more i think about this. bud could have been our sloan. he could have been our pop. and we chuck him and we dont even have the next guy lined up. were going to take our time and then pick a clown like the last dozen coaches before bud. horrific horrific horrific.... and if the players chose this then shame on them


its just where im at man. i assure you nobody would love to be more wrong but its just where im at and you cant make up how accurate i called it down to the coaching hire
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#377 » by James_Henry » Sat Dec 2, 2023 10:57 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if somebody wanted to argue nelson over bud it would a healthy debate. i think the smart guys would leave it open.

moncrief, johnson, cummings, lanier, sikma, etc etc..... who were my childhood heros not as much. much more traditional hof and hof like contributors that nelson had to work with..


If we had modern NBA media and social media back in the 1980's I think Don Nelson would have been run out of town in 1984, after the team lost the Celtics 4-1 in the ECF, and "only won" 50 games that season.



Wasn't that the year of lots of injuries? I helped my very young daughter who wanted to write a letter to the editor of the Journal saying something like "Brewers Brewers Brewers that's all you talk about while Don Nelson still managed 50 wins with the Bucks." It was published; I still have the paper.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#378 » by DingleJerry » Mon Dec 4, 2023 3:47 pm

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every once in a while i go off on an emotional tangent and i act stupid.

thats no different than anybody here except im one of the few that will admit it.

most of the other time im the first one to sniff the turd and my track record of it speaks for itself. i could give 10 examples. the guys that have been here long enough know it too. bump threads when major moves went down and look at my takes. i havent been wrong much. my big one was brandon knight but thats before i started to rely on the numbers i do now. learned a valuable lesson there that ive not repeated often since


Well you are having one now so I suggest of taking a break fella.


this is not an emotional tangent. ive been a massive bitch about this from the minute i found out he was fired 6 months ago.

and prefer not to point fingers at individuals of this like youre doing so maybe you take the break

in the meantime id love to "discuss" this just not with people that challenge my intellect over it when there is a dumpster fire in the backgorund

i was the first to call thon a bum literally in his first summer league and i wanted sabonis like a few others here.
i argued for a year that sanders was a headcase and a team cancer and took absolute hell for it.
i posted a trade jennings thread literally before his rookie year was up
i was perhaps the most vocal and consistent Middleton supporter of the last 10 years when trades were being demanded daily.
the list goes on and on and on.

i was wrong on monta and knight but i made a seismic shift mentally after those two. regardless...ive been more right than wrong with my hot takes and most where i was right i was right sometimes years before it was what the board eventually agreed with unanimously. so this is a hot take that is no longer emotional. it is calculated. we **** up.

my take is.... were done. its over. ane its not even close. i called this **** last summer in the first 5 pages of the bud fired thread. mark it in your mind. this **** is over and beofre its over over its going to be bad here in epic fashion. we will literally be mocked for it nationally and remembered generationally for it. right now its barely even bad. but when it finally breaks apart its going to be epic bad. the next 18-24 months just watch.


Man how did you forget Jabari? There was all of like 4 of us on here who called Jabari for what was early on and got blasted for it over and over like we were the crazy ones.
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#379 » by Hudson112 » Mon Dec 4, 2023 7:20 pm

I just wanted to come here and say as a longtime NBA basketball & Bucks fan, since '92, it is so beyond refreshing to see there are other fans out there who are seeing what I'm seeing. I thought I was losing my mind irl, and remembered places like this decades ago when I used to lurk/post and wanted to check..
Everybody keeps shunning me irl for even 'complaining' about valid complaints like the coaching, lack of rhythm offensively, defensive schemes, so much more. We have a long season ahead, but I have the same thoughts as everyone else. Mainly, it's discouraging that we are barely squeaking out wins against bottom barrel teams, and that those wins can almost be like a trap to not make any positive changes to the team. I almost wish our record was flipped so we'd be more forced to, but it is what it is and may pay off come playoffs with a good record.

Few things:
I really love Dame: I know he's not looked fully comfortable out there, but I cannot blame him much since this is a 180 from what he's used to and we've hardly done anything to get him 'really' involved outside of force feeding him late and telling him "your turn, do something". He could be better yes, but man is the potential just sitting right their with his dynamic offensive capabilities. I think we should be running the offense through him and stop catering to Giannis or whomever to not feel like Dame is taking reigns of the team...we NEED that offensive dynamic if we want a chance against teams like Boston or whomever. Love Giannis, but he's just as effective if not more being an athletic monster/clean up, slasher, roller, on offense and not a playmaker or w.e we are trying to force him to do. He does enough. And then he can be even better on boards and defense, fast break, etc. We are catering too much to Giannis, and Giannis doesn't need that, he wants to always learn and grow and stay grounded. Get rid of his brother.

Lack of pick n roll is nauseating: How can everyone and their grandmother being screaming at this team to run more Giannis/Dame PnR. And they refuse to do it more than a few times per game. You could run circles around teams with that dynamic, what gives? It's so simple. But effective.

Defense: This has been discussed enough. But I really really have concerns if we are going to rely on what worked in the past, Lopez is simply just slow and while a beast inside, can easily be exploited in today's NBA. He is great in doses but I'm not sure he can anchor a defense anymore with speed of the game increasing year by year. Unless, we get some younger legs on defense or a stopper on the wing. We really need at least a defensive coach to step in and tell Griffin what to do at the least right now, and soon.

Role players: Beasley has earned my trust. Andre should be getting minutes over Beauchamp at this point or others. Thanisis should just go, it's a distraction. Portis is Portis, he's both good and bad and that's not going to change. I really don't think Crowder is going to solve any answers when he returns like some think, he's always been super limited as well. I think we need one small change here to have an actual contending squad. I'm not buying in the current roster's role players.


That's all I got. Thanks for keeping it real here!
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Re: PG Bulls - Loss 

Post#380 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 4, 2023 11:52 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
Man how did you forget Jabari? There was all of like 4 of us on here who called Jabari for what was early on and got blasted for it over and over like we were the crazy ones.


honestly? all those other takes i was completely alone at least on the level i took it. Jabari if i had to name the guy who had him figured out first and most vocally im going with coolhand. my man used to be all over his ass taking on the whole board about it :lol:

but boy was he right :o

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