Scoot Henderson

EvanZ · Post #1061 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 6:08 pm

Colbinii wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:LMAO you’re so bad at this

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Why? He was right.

He had him Top 5.

Did he have Killian Hayes Top 5 too?

This argument is too deep for the morons lol

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Big J · Post #1062 » by **Big J** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 12:22 am

EvanZ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Why? He was right.

He had him Top 5.

Did he have Killian Hayes Top 5 too?

This argument is too deep for the morons lol

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You seem to be the one missing the point.

EvanZ · Post #1063 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 2:32 am

Big J wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
He had him Top 5.

Did he have Killian Hayes Top 5 too?

This argument is too deep for the morons lol

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You seem to be the one missing the point.

Oh? What is the point then?

Big J · Post #1064 » by **Big J** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 3:05 am

EvanZ wrote:
Big J wrote:
EvanZ wrote:This argument is too deep for the morons lol

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You seem to be the one missing the point.

Oh? What is the point then?

If you can't see it then you should probably stay in the kiddie pool with the other lil bro's in this thread that I've been doing laps on.

Colbinii · Post #1065 » by **Colbinii** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 3:56 am

EvanZ wrote:
Big J wrote:
EvanZ wrote:This argument is too deep for the morons lol

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You seem to be the one missing the point.

Oh? What is the point then?

There is none! that's the point. And because you asked about a point, you are in the kiddie pool.

Big J swimming on all y'all while with his puddle jumper

EvanZ · Post #1066 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 4:14 am

Big J wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Big J wrote:
You seem to be the one missing the point.

Oh? What is the point then?

If you can't see it then you should probably stay in the kiddie pool with the other lil bro's in this thread that I've been doing laps on.

LMAO you really got me

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HadAnEffectHere · Post #1067 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:41 am

Had a good game today. He plays like a very classic PG, makes good reads, strong handle, has a lot of defensive upside, good decision maker.

The issue is he's not athletic so he needs to rely on his jumpshot to score so he's currently a bad scorer.

Needs to become a high level shooter to succeed, but has a lot of star upside if he does becomes a high level shooter. Guys who can run offense really well, score, and not get exploited in switch hunting are very rare and valuable.

He's kind of like Deron Williams without the ability to shoot right now. In better shape than Deron was most years though.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #1068 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 7:25 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Had a good game today. He plays like a very classic PG, makes good reads, strong handle, has a lot of defensive upside, good decision maker.

The issue is he's not athletic so he needs to rely on his jumpshot to score so he's currently a bad scorer.

Needs to become a high level shooter to succeed, but has a lot of star upside if he does becomes a high level shooter. Guys who can run offense really well, score, and not get exploited in switch hunting are very rare and valuable.

He's kind of like Deron Williams without the ability to shoot right now. In better shape than Deron was most years though.

Scoot is without a doubt a great NBA athlete. Maybe he's still not confident on his ankle so he lacks burst right now but it's an easy google search to find Scoot being an uber athlete before the draft. It's one of the reasons, maybe the main reason, he's so highly rated coming out. He's a well above the rim guy with power and quickness. Is he in the upper echelon? Maybe not. I'd like to see him when he's fully developed in a few years to determine that.

JMAC3 · Post #1069 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 4:53 pm

EvanZ wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:LMAO you’re so bad at this

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Why? He was right.

He was not “right”. That’s the whole point. It’s way way way too early to take laps. Why don’t people get it? Sigh. Keep making the same dumb mistakes though.

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Yes and no. It is probably too early to call him a bust yes, but I don't think it is too early to say he isn't the prospect he was built up to be. He hasn't flashed any future superstar tools through 250 mins played, we can say its 10 games, but it is not as if he is playing sparingly.

Other examples, I feel like we knew pretty early Jabari wasn't going to be a superstar. Yes, he can still be a solid player and not a bust but we knew right away 10 games in this year Chet and 10 games in last year with Paolo they were going to be significantly better.

Same with Suggs, we knew he wasn't going to be a top 5 guard in the league pretty fast. He is turning into a solid player though.

And I am not closing the door completely on him being a superstar, like it could still happen. Just think it's probably closer to 10% whereas post draft night people were probably more in the 30-40% he could be a star.

EvanZ · Post #1070 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 5:05 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Why? He was right.

He was not “right”. That’s the whole point. It’s way way way too early to take laps. Why don’t people get it? Sigh. Keep making the same dumb mistakes though.

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Yes and no. It is probably too early to call him a bust yes, but I don't think it is too early to say he isn't the prospect he was built up to be. He hasn't flashed any future superstar tools through 250 mins played, we can say its 10 games, but it is not as if he is playing sparingly.

I mean if you thought he was going to be Ja or Russ, then you weren't evaluating him correctly. So like, my dude, big win on your part lol. I literally the entire draft cycle compared him to guys like Conley or Jrue...and it is way way too early to say he isn't going to be on par with those guys. So please...one more time for the cheap seats in the back...STOP THE LAP TAKING. :banghead:

JMAC3 · Post #1071 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 5:20 pm

EvanZ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:He was not “right”. That’s the whole point. It’s way way way too early to take laps. Why don’t people get it? Sigh. Keep making the same dumb mistakes though.

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Yes and no. It is probably too early to call him a bust yes, but I don't think it is too early to say he isn't the prospect he was built up to be. He hasn't flashed any future superstar tools through 250 mins played, we can say its 10 games, but it is not as if he is playing sparingly.

I mean if you thought he was going to be Ja or Russ, then you weren't evaluating him correctly. So like, my dude, big win on your part lol. I literally the entire draft cycle compared him to guys like Conley or Jrue...and it is way way too early to say he isn't going to be on par with those guys. So please...one more time for the cheap seats in the back...STOP THE LAP TAKING.

Congrats on your opinion too. I am not in the thread subtweeting you. I am talking about the general consensus on Scoot was he was likely a superstar guard. A lot of real NBA voices had that opinion and as I said I think it's getting safer by the game that those are probably less and less likely. It is one thing to have an opinion of he sucks in stone, that is not what I am saying, but if you aren't tempering your expectations AT ALL after these 10 games that is probably a bad decision too.

But yes, maybe he can be Conley, a 1 time all-star type of player, but clearly the hype around him was wayyyy higher than that type of ceiling.

I had him 5th on my board so clearly, I didn't think he was worst player in the draft, 1-2 time all-star is probably where I had his most likely outcome.

clyde21 · Post #1072 » by **clyde21** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 6:02 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Had a good game today. He plays like a very classic PG, makes good reads, strong handle, has a lot of defensive upside, good decision maker.

The issue is he's not athletic so he needs to rely on his jumpshot to score so he's currently a bad scorer.

Needs to become a high level shooter to succeed, but has a lot of star upside if he does becomes a high level shooter. Guys who can run offense really well, score, and not get exploited in switch hunting are very rare and valuable.

He's kind of like Deron Williams without the ability to shoot right now. In better shape than Deron was most years though.

this is just nonsense, you guys don't understand the difference btw explosive athleticism and speed to power, he is a ramp up athlete, you will start noticing more and more as the season goes on and he's recovered for his nagging injuries and gets back into game shape.

BlazersBroncos · Post #1073 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 7:05 pm

Scoot is for sure a great athlete - but at this level he is not yet sure how to translate that raw athleticism into functional on court athleticism.

JMAC3 · Post #1074 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 7:07 pm

I don't even know if Scoot is a better athlete than Keyonte

Big J · Post #1075 » by **Big J** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 8:34 pm

He's not a great athlete. That is one of the biggest myths about him that we've been trying to dispel for years. Yes, he is jacked and looks like he should be a great athlete, but he rarely dunked in the G League, which was a huge red flag.

Chuck Everett · Post #1076 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 9:34 pm

Too soon. One damn month.

baldur · Post #1077 » by **baldur** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 10:06 pm

The best two players in the league are jokic and doncic who are literally fat, let alone being fit nor athletic.

Maybe don't worry about athleticism too much these days.

EvanZ · Post #1078 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 10:48 pm

Big J wrote:He's not a great athlete. That is one of the biggest myths about him that we've been trying to dispel for years. Yes, he is jacked and looks like he should be a great athlete, but he rarely dunked in the G League, which was a huge red flag.

He's not an explosive vertical athlete. But he's pretty damn fast with the ball. His burst is very good imo.

EvanZ · Post #1079 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 10:49 pm

The irony is that when you have the super explosive vertical guard they risk injury on those dunks.

Big J · Post #1080 » by **Big J** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 11:09 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Big J wrote:He's not a great athlete. That is one of the biggest myths about him that we've been trying to dispel for years. Yes, he is jacked and looks like he should be a great athlete, but he rarely dunked in the G League, which was a huge red flag.

He's not an explosive vertical athlete. But he's pretty damn fast with the ball. His burst is very good imo.

Burst can only do so much for you though. You might be able to get by your primary defender, but if you can't finish over help defenders you are forced to either pass it to the help defenders man, or take a bad mid range shot, which is what he did all last year in the G League.