Scoot Henderson

[EvanZ]

He's not a great athlete. That is one of the biggest myths about him that we've been trying to dispel for years. Yes, he is jacked and looks like he should be a great athlete, but he rarely dunked in the G League, which was a huge red flag.

He's not an explosive vertical athlete. But he's pretty damn fast with the ball. His burst is very good imo.

Burst can only do so much for you though. You might be able to get by your primary defender, but if you can't finish over help defenders you are forced to either pass it to the help defenders man, or take a bad mid range shot, which is what he did all last year in the G League.

I saw plenty of examples of him getting to the rim. He missed some bunnies, but it wasn't because he couldn't get there imo. I'm not sure what you watched.

[EvanZ]

5 games as a starter, 5 as a reserve. On 3s: 2 for 21 as a starter, 7 for 20 since coming off the bench.

If he had started 7-20 coming off the bench, I wonder how many of you would still have called him an immediate bust...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[MasterIchiro]

He's a year younger than Miller and obviously needs an adjustment year. When is the last time a rookie PG ran a whole team?

You can still dream on him becoming a star despite Miller justifying his draft position at #2 overall.

No reason to be smug.

[Big J]

He's not an explosive vertical athlete. But he's pretty damn fast with the ball. His burst is very good imo.

Burst can only do so much for you though. You might be able to get by your primary defender, but if you can't finish over help defenders you are forced to either pass it to the help defenders man, or take a bad mid range shot, which is what he did all last year in the G League.

I saw plenty of examples of him getting to the rim. He missed some bunnies, but it wasn't because he couldn't get there imo. I'm not sure what you watched.

The problem isn't him getting to the rim. It's his finishing ability. He doesn't have Ja/Westbrook explosion or the Curry/Kyrie creativity at the rim.

[Big J]

He's a year younger than Miller and obviously needs an adjustment year. When is the last time a rookie PG ran a whole team?

You can still dream on him becoming a star despite Miller justifying his draft position at #2 overall.

No reason to be smug.

Most guys who are bonafide stars you can tell in year 1. There are guys like Conley who take longer to develop, but no one would have been outraged at him going lower than 2 if we knew he'd end up as just a Conley type.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Watch on YouTube

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this is well above average athleticism. He takes off from the hash and dunks over a defender. This requires power, speed and vertical. I don't think anyone is claiming he's Ja, Rose or Westbrook but they're outliers. Scoot is in that next tier. It's not even a debate worth having

[HadAnEffectHere]

I don't even know if Scoot is a better athlete than Keyonte

Keyonte weighs like 25-30 pounds less than him, I would hope he's a little quicker, lol.

[JMAC3]

Watch on YouTube

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this is well above average athleticism. He takes off from the hash and dunks over a defender. This requires power, speed and vertical. I don't think anyone is claiming he's Ja, Rose or Westbrook but they're outliers. Scoot is in that next tier. It's not even a debate worth having

This dunk has been shared 99 times in this thread, nobody is arguing it is not a great dunk.... but it is one play. He doesn't use this type of athleticism often. I can show you awesome highlight dunks for Cody Zeller, doesn't mean he is some superior athlete when compared to the other elite athletes in the NBA.

The longer time goes on the more and more he looks slightly above average. There is a reason he shot so many midrange shots in the GLeague instead of getting to the rim. Now in the NBA he is shooting more 3s than ever because he isn't able to get by guys for easy finishes so he is shooting poorly at the rim.

If a guy is truly elite athlete, you can usually tell pretty quickly, ala Ausar Thompson or Derrick Rose. Those guys were shooting nearly 40% of their attempts inside 3 feet. Scoot is half of that and he isn't drawing fouls either.

He can still be a good player, just think him being sold as a generation prospect who would go #1 in most drafts, on the same par as Wemby type of stuff was wayyyyy over sold.

[EvanZ]

There's also a very real possibility some of his explosiveness has been sapped either permanently or at least for the short term by injury.

[JMAC3]

There is also the fact that people raved about him in Gleague for a year, when again this year we are seeing relative bums tear it up in Gleague. Ricky Council averaging 24 ppg Jarrett Culver averaging 24 ppg, Emoni Bates averaging 26 ppg through 5 games, Cam Whitmore averaging 24 ppg examples can go on forever and people thought a kid averaging 15ppg was going to be an elite rookie.

Holland averaging 18ppg this year and people are saying he is struggling. Jaden Hardy was moved down 40 spots for Gleague struggles. People just chose to be blind for Scoot for some reason.

[EvanZ]

There is also the fact that people raved about him in Gleague for a year, when again this year we are seeing relative bums tear it up in Gleague. Ricky Council averaging 24 ppg Jarrett Culver averaging 24 ppg, Emoni Bates averaging 26 ppg through 5 games, Cam Whitmore averaging 24 ppg examples can go on forever and people thought a kid averaging 15ppg was going to be an elite rookie.

Holland averaging 18ppg this year and people are saying he is struggling. Jaden Hardy was moved down 40 spots for Gleague struggles. People just chose to be blind for Scoot for some reason.

This is just such a weird and reductive comment to me. Brandon Miller was also raved about all last season. And there are plenty of busts that come from college that performed well in college. It's just cherry picking and lap taking 24/7 here.

[JMAC3]

There is also the fact that people raved about him in Gleague for a year, when again this year we are seeing relative bums tear it up in Gleague. Ricky Council averaging 24 ppg Jarrett Culver averaging 24 ppg, Emoni Bates averaging 26 ppg through 5 games, Cam Whitmore averaging 24 ppg examples can go on forever and people thought a kid averaging 15ppg was going to be an elite rookie.

Holland averaging 18ppg this year and people are saying he is struggling. Jaden Hardy was moved down 40 spots for Gleague struggles. People just chose to be blind for Scoot for some reason.

This is just such a weird and reductive comment to me. Brandon Miller was also raved about all last season. And there are plenty of busts that come from college that performed well in college. It's just cherry picking and lap taking 24/7 here.

Just shut up man lol. I have never seen someone who posts 80% of the time that is crying about other peoples posts.

[EvanZ]

There is also the fact that people raved about him in Gleague for a year, when again this year we are seeing relative bums tear it up in Gleague. Ricky Council averaging 24 ppg Jarrett Culver averaging 24 ppg, Emoni Bates averaging 26 ppg through 5 games, Cam Whitmore averaging 24 ppg examples can go on forever and people thought a kid averaging 15ppg was going to be an elite rookie.

Holland averaging 18ppg this year and people are saying he is struggling. Jaden Hardy was moved down 40 spots for Gleague struggles. People just chose to be blind for Scoot for some reason.

This is just such a weird and reductive comment to me. Brandon Miller was also raved about all last season. And there are plenty of busts that come from college that performed well in college. It's just cherry picking and lap taking 24/7 here.

Just shut up man lol. I have never seen someone who posts 80% of the time that is crying about other peoples posts.

Do you read your own posts? LIterally taking laps on every post is exactly "crying about other peoples posts". Perhaps I'll stop my complaining when you stop taking laps.

[JMAC3]

This is just such a weird and reductive comment to me. Brandon Miller was also raved about all last season. And there are plenty of busts that come from college that performed well in college. It's just cherry picking and lap taking 24/7 here.

Just shut up man lol. I have never seen someone who posts 80% of the time that is crying about other peoples posts.

Do you read your own posts? LIterally taking laps on every post is exactly "crying about other peoples posts". Perhaps I'll stop my complaining when you stop taking laps.

Me asking you to stop crying, you immediately post crying more about victory laps.

We get it you hate it, you don't have to have 75% of your posts complaining about it.

[EvanZ]

Just shut up man lol. I have never seen someone who posts 80% of the time that is crying about other peoples posts.

Do you read your own posts? LIterally taking laps on every post is exactly "crying about other peoples posts". Perhaps I'll stop my complaining when you stop taking laps.

Me asking you to stop crying, you immediately post crying more about victory laps.

We get it you hate it, you don't have to have 75% of your posts complaining about it.

And you don't have to have 75% or maybe 95% of your posts taking laps a month into a season. So when you stop doing that, I'll have less to post about it. IOW, you started this by taking laps.

[Big J]

There is also the fact that people raved about him in Gleague for a year, when again this year we are seeing relative bums tear it up in Gleague. Ricky Council averaging 24 ppg Jarrett Culver averaging 24 ppg, Emoni Bates averaging 26 ppg through 5 games, Cam Whitmore averaging 24 ppg examples can go on forever and people thought a kid averaging 15ppg was going to be an elite rookie.

Holland averaging 18ppg this year and people are saying he is struggling. Jaden Hardy was moved down 40 spots for Gleague struggles. People just chose to be blind for Scoot for some reason.

People were blind for Scoot because he was highly ranked in his high school class and he had a cool nickname. Guys like Clyde usually latch onto these highly ranked HS guys and then stop evaluating them even when warts start popping up in their games. The key to being a good scout is to trust what your eyes are telling you.

[EvanZ]

Again, it seems like all these laps were literally being taken because of a single poster on here. Other than Clyde (I guess?) who else was "blind" for Scoot? I don't remember too many. You should just dm Clyde and take laps on him there instead of polluting these threads with all your damn lap taking.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

5 games as a starter, 5 as a reserve. On 3s: 2 for 21 as a starter, 7 for 20 since coming off the bench.

If he had started 7-20 coming off the bench, I wonder how many of you would still have called him an immediate bust...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm not sure if I've been "levelled" but during the hot streak he's shooting 34% from the field with 4 asts to 3 turnovers a game and under 10 ppg. That's WITH the three point shot working.

EvanZ: true enough, people like running with limited samples.

[EvanZ]

5 games as a starter, 5 as a reserve. On 3s: 2 for 21 as a starter, 7 for 20 since coming off the bench.

If he had started 7-20 coming off the bench, I wonder how many of you would still have called him an immediate bust...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm not sure if I've been "levelled" but during the hot streak he's shooting 34% from the field with 4 asts to 3 turnovers a game and under 10 ppg. That's WITH the three point shot working.

Point is the 3pt shot during 1/2 of the sample size is a lot better than the first half when he was immediately called a bust after 20 attempts.

[Big J]

Again, it seems like all these laps were literally being taken because of a single poster on here. Other than Clyde (I guess?) who else was "blind" for Scoot? I don't remember too many. You should just dm Clyde and take laps on him there instead of polluting these threads with all your damn lap taking.

Dude, there is an entire thread on the GB about how Charlotte were idiots for taking Miller over Scoot. Same with Twitter, it was an outrage when they didn't take him. As for Clyde, he took a million laps before Scoot even played a game, so I'm gonna flex nuts on him and not feel bad about it.