Mama Said They Knocked Us Out! IST Loss vs IND 12/4

[zoyathedestroya]

Said they were not suppose to switch. Because they already know not to when they do that half-assed screen they do.

No he didn't. He said they were supposed to wait until the screen got set.

"You have to do a really good job of staying with the ball and waiting til you get screened. If I remember that play correctly, we didn't wait until the ball (?) and gave him a little bit of a pocket and he took advantage of that pocket."

Nothing about not switching.

When you're right you’re right. I dont know what he was saying about not waiting until the ball but your explanation above this one made more sense.

I'm just basing it off on their PG comments and the clip of the play. Dunno if they should or should not switch a ghost screen like the one set by Hield. Al held until JB got close enough. JB said they weren’t supposed to switch that even if they were already switching the previous ones. (Al wasn't in a drop as JB was claiming. Drop would mean he'd be under Hield.) Either way, he was far behind Hield, who was popping on the right wing and too far back Hali. So who was he supposed to be guarding on that instance?

If he didn't think they were supposed to switch, why did he stop chasing Hield and square up at 0:45 even before Al could step through the ghost screen?

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LOL at Tatum's reaction after the make (0:50). Byebye golf day in Vegas.

LAST EDIT: BTW, Carlisle smart enough to recognize and pick on the two weakest defensive links on that lineup.

[Sweet Serenity]

This “we’re too soft” narrative I’ve seen is such a lazy an annoying analysis I hear on this forum.
With how easy it is foul these days & the amount of spacing in the league it becomes extremely harder to become physical. Indiana are a fast team that hit some really tough shots.

Stop overreacting fellas.

[zoyathedestroya]

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They're still undefeated at home. I'm kinda unusually upbeat after a loss that I'm even posting Marc's cringey spinwork lol.

Bagley hated Marc lmao, so very much.

Who’s Bagley?

[zoyathedestroya]

“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
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Spoiler:

I clearly need my meds. About six years too late.

[jonige94]

Our roster is not deep enough.

[chrisab123]

The third quarter thing is weird lol.

Something I was always taught is that the second half is where coaching shows up, or doesn’t.

Joe may not be a very good coach lol, luckily the staff behind him is really strong.

Cs one of the best, if not best, 3rd Q team last season and season before last. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Marcus Smart is an underrated shooter?

Yeahhhh I don't think anyone would say that.

[Ben-N1ce]

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Celtics score the least points in the league in the 3rd..

2nd 5th 30th 13th by quarter. It's 100% their weakness.

[tfribs45]

This “we’re too soft” narrative I’ve seen is such a lazy an annoying analysis I hear on this forum.
With how easy it is foul these days & the amount of spacing in the league it becomes extremely harder to become physical. Indiana are a fast team that hit some really tough shots.

Stop overreacting fellas.

being soft doesn't just mean physically. This group has mentally collapsed in the past vs the Heat, Warriors, etc.... If you don't notice the trend, then you're not watching! We gave up some dawgs to build up the starting 5, now if the 5 is not healthy, then this unit is weaker then last years....Than being said, we have plenty of time to gear up for banner 18, but we def need to toughen up, especially when the lights are bright!

[yeahM8]

This “we’re too soft” narrative I’ve seen is such a lazy an annoying analysis I hear on this forum.
With how easy it is foul these days & the amount of spacing in the league it becomes extremely harder to become physical. Indiana are a fast team that hit some really tough shots.

Stop overreacting fellas.

being soft doesn't just mean physically. This group has mentally collapsed in the past vs the Heat, Warriors, etc.... If you don't notice the trend, then you're not watching! We gave up some dawgs to build up the starting 5, now if the 5 is not healthy, then this unit is weaker then last years....Than being said, we have plenty of time to gear up for banner 18, but we def need to toughen up, especially when the lights are bright!

yep we need a dawg. i felt jalen can sometimes be that guy and he should get angrier more.
we dd well with the horny coach because it was him who played this role for us.

i really hope that buddy three woke us up as well as neismith calling us too small. where the dawgs at

[ConstableGeneva]

IND shot 9/20 (45.0%) on wide open 3s; 8/17 (47.1%) on open 3s.
BOS shot 4/15 (26.7%) on wide open 3s; 5/17 (29.4%) on open 3s.

I get not making shots. **** happens. But how/why did the Celtics allow 37 open/wide-open threes? That's almost all of their 3-pt attempts.

EDIT: Never mind. It might really be a defensive philosophy thing. Protect paint and corners. We allow 35.5 open/wide-open threes per game for the season, likely ATB threes. Wish we could adjust on the fly depending on who we face.

[Cuban Pete]

Haliburton gets the cigar. Big time player.

The Kings committed to DeAaron Fox too soon and traded Haliburton. That will haunt them for years.

[Cuban Pete]

IND shot 9/20 (45.0%) on wide open 3s; 8/17 (47.1%) on open 3s.
BOS shot 4/15 (26.7%) on wide open 3s; 5/17 (29.4%) on open 3s.

I get not making shots. **** happens. But how/why did the Celtics allow 37 open/wide-open threes? That's almost all of their 3-pt attempts.

EDIT: Never mind. It might really be a defensive philosophy thing. Protect paint and corners. We allow 35.5 open/wide-open threes per game for the season, likely ATB threes. Wish we could adjust on the fly depending on who we face.

I can tolerate bad games. What irks me the most from my teams is stupidity. I like Mazzula, but against Miami, he paid too much attention to Bam and Butler while Vincent, Strus, killed his team with open 3s. The same was true last night. When a mistake becomes repetitive, it moves into the zone of stupid and it makes Joe look stubborn. He can't let the Hs beat his team. He's got to play close defense. Let them make their twos. Let Turner and Brown shoot the majority of threes. It's not hard to make the adjustment. Meanwhile, the Cs need to go inside and post against a team like Indy. It was giving me last season flashbacks. Worst loss of the year, IMHO.

My 2c.

[Shak_Celts]

Our roster is not deep enough.

After watching again, had the starters done their job we had enough. In key moments the defenders who needed to step up didnt and they were starters. Then the turnovers, just ugly, ugly moments.

I was wrong on that play! My bad and my fault. Was a good but late contest because he was too far down. Wasnt guarding anyone really because he should have been up or followed heild, al did all he could! I cant “salvatize” his name like that!

Had we made any key stops to end that 4th we might have had a chance… those were starters. In the 3rd we just sat there looking terrible on offense like it was a new game, Tatum kept us in it with what everyone says is bad shots… same bad shots Hali beat us with. Guy cant catch a break, he takes and makes the same “bad shots” all stars do!

We could have been up a lot in the first half but we kept letting them stay in it, D was much better then but we looked off offensively when we had a chance to dominate them. Thought the bench had a half and half night, two stretches they played well enough and two they didn't. Korny was good in the first half, better than Al, then exploited in the second half.

I still didn’t remember seeing 3 turnovers by banton but I also wasn’t watching him enough. how in those minutes?

Jrue was really bad on offense but he gets a pass, because stats say hes been excellent on D. sure looks like he is over-helping in key moments but w/e.

Nesmith was everywhere and he was a pest on d! That “too small” was unnecessary but necessary, because he was just out working them. He got told off but he did do his thing in the 4th.

Hali is the man but Tatum is better! Had him hemmed up at times at the end but he still got his teammates shots they shouldnt have had, hes a master PG!

We haven't had that bad crunch D much at all this season… only the wolves game? What were we even doing???????

That 3rd was hideous but we still had chances that we squandered. Look at all those turnovers in the 3rd, what were we even doing??

Hali is goated but his teammates hit some key buckets! Couldn't miss when i needed them too! Nesmith making buckets he shouldn't have had looks on, I dont know who was defending him but yikes! He was in the right spots every time!

We scored so much to close but we couldn't stop a nosebleed! What were our best defenders doing? Yeah, you wouldn’t like it if you saw it again. Not one of them looked like the best at anything.

Get the tape and dont burn it, put it on the big screen on replay!

[ConstableGeneva]

Tatum had just one more potential assist than Brown in this game. 6 vs. 5. His teammates cashed in on all of them so he had 6 assists. None of JB's potential assists found the basket hence the 0 assists. White led the team in potential assists (9) and actual assists (8). But also dumb turnovers in the 2nd half especially a crucial one with about a minute left and team was down 4.

[Shak_Celts]

“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*

Spoiler:

I clearly need my meds. About six years too late.

This is jokes but we do need a bit of pat bev like attitude sometimes. Every winning team has a guy with piss in their attitude! Need a guy the other team cant stop from talking, a pest, an annoyingly irrational type! Someone to get in the opponents heads. Need a Draymond! Hell I’ll settle for Udonis Haslem as a coach lmao!! Who can we get? Nesmith was exactly that last night fwiw. Not just the too small talking but a spark plug! Pritch looked like that guy in preseason, they kept talking about how confident (irrational) he was all training camp, talking cash ish. Where is that guy? Like Reeves for lakers last season or caruso before him?


We need a spark plug guy! Need someone off the bench to toss out to change momentum. Doesnt have to always be a talker but someone to do what Brissy did early season, consistently, when he came and snatched all those offensive rebounds.

[Shak_Celts]

Haliburton gets the cigar. Big time player.

The Kings committed to DeAaron Fox too soon and traded Haliburton. That will haunt them for years.

Forget them, WHY DIDNT WE TRADE UP??????

[Hal14]

The Celtics executed really well on offense late in the game, matched the Oacers shot for shot, until the 4 point play.

This game was lost because Hali hit an incredible shot.

Agree but the Celtics crumbled in the 3rd quarter (as usual). That’s really where the game was lost

The third quarter thing is weird lol.

Something I was always taught is that the second half is where coaching shows up, or doesn’t.

Joe may not be a very good in game coach lol, luckily the staff behind him is really strong.

It was an issue when Ime was the coach too, no?

[tfribs45]

“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*
“Soft Serve Celtics!” *clap clap, clap clap clap*

Spoiler:

I clearly need my meds. About six years too late.

This is jokes but we do need a bit of pat bev like attitude sometimes. Every winning team has a guy with piss in their attitude! Need a guy the other team cant stop from talking, a pest, an annoyingly irrational type! Someone to get in the opponents heads. Need a Draymond! Hell I’ll settle for Udonis Haslem as a coach lmao!! Who can we get? Nesmith was exactly that last night fwiw. Not just the too small talking but a spark plug! Pritch looked like that guy in preseason, they kept talking about how confident (irrational) he was all training camp, talking cash ish. Where is that guy? Like Reeves for lakers last season or caruso before him?


We need a spark plug guy! Need someone off the bench to toss out to change momentum. Doesnt have to always be a talker but someone to do what Brissy did early season, consistently, when he came and snatched all those offensive rebounds.

PP is def not that guy, I rather have IT4 lol and Dwight Howard as a backup 5. Rozier would be nice, not sure if it's possible, but we def need a spark! On the positive side, Hauser is turning into a stud.

[ConstableGeneva]

Agree but the Celtics crumbled in the 3rd quarter (as usual). That’s really where the game was lost

The third quarter thing is weird lol.

Something I was always taught is that the second half is where coaching shows up, or doesn’t.

Joe may not be a very good in game coach lol, luckily the staff behind him is really strong.

It was an issue when Ime was the coach too, no?

It wasn't.

2019-20: 1st in net rating in 3Q
2021-22: 1st in net rating in 3Q
2022-23: 2nd in net rating in 3Q
2023-24: 22nd in net rating in 3Q

I skipped the season where we were starting Thompson and Theis lol, but they were still top 10 in net rating for 3Q.

[return2glory]

JT is mvp level, point blank period.

No. Isn't a great leader nor makes his teammates better. Not unless he improves his assists to TO ration.
Top 5-9 players in the league, that's what he is.

Not sure why everyone is talking about Tatum and Brown on this thread. They are what they are. combined 6 assists to 5 TOs. Brown had 0 assists.

This loss is on Joe being outcoached. Jrue, Al and Pritchard playing really bad. Team continuing to be soft. 5 FT attempts as a team outside of Tatum's 7 attempts. Shooting bad from 3.

feel how you want to but stats, check, the nba, media, etc all say you are wrong.

Stats say is has the worst assists to TO ratio among the top players. Facts are he can't led a team. Facts are he doesn't make his teammates better. I watch every game and it's obvious he doesn't make his teammates better.

My standards of an MVP candidate are higher than most. No knock on Tatum, he is a top 6-10 player in the league.