Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[BeiBeau]

I cant believe how stupid the FO has been, even the previous ones. Just recently:

1. 2020 Draft: Drafting Green over Bane, McDaniels, Maxey, IQ, you name it; then taking a guy who wa sout of the league before u blinked
2. Hiring Jason Kidd instead of Mosley you had in house
3. The KP trade to Washington was in explicable, I still cant fathom how they take Bertans and give up a 2nd in the process
4. The Brunson fiasco
5. Getting desperate trading for Kyrie, giving up DFS and an unprotected pick
6. Taking on Holmes to get Omax, which then
7. Caused the team to need space to get Grant Williams, where they gave up an unprotected pick swap
8. Giving the bum Josh Green a 14 mil a year extension when he's barely a vet min money guy

How can you build a contending team with that level of ineptness?

Thank god you’re not running the team right or we’d have Mo Bamba instead of Luka doncic. It’s weird to be right about one draft pick ever and then make it your whole personality. Hindsight is 20-20 and you are objectively significantly worse at evaluating talent then the Mavs FO.

This is also the same front office that drafted Lively and the OMax trade was objectively a really good thing for Dallas. It gives us another young asset who is a extremely good POA defender who will be amazing once he figures out offense.

[Archx]

Thank god you’re not running the team right or we’d have Mo Bamba instead of Luka doncic. It’s weird to be right about one draft pick ever and then make it your whole personality. Hindsight is 20-20 and you are objectively significantly worse at evaluating talent then the Mavs FO.

Not long ago Cuban admitted it was his fault Mavs didn't draft Giannis, it's hard to understand that daoneandonly is more worried about drafting Josh but not Giannis?

Mavs also drafted DSJr who was more or less a fail but it did lead to a draft which landed them Luka and Brunson. That was basically like winning a lottery for them. It's hard to draft, sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

[daoneandonly]

Thank god you’re not running the team right or we’d have Mo Bamba instead of Luka doncic. It’s weird to be right about one draft pick ever and then make it your whole personality. Hindsight is 20-20 and you are objectively significantly worse at evaluating talent then the Mavs FO.

Not long ago Cuban admitted it was his fault Mavs didn't draft Giannis, it's hard to understand that daoneandonly is more worried about drafting Josh but not Giannis?

Mavs also drafted DSJr who was more or less a fail but it did lead to a draft which landed them Luka and Brunson. That was basically like winning a lottery for them. It's hard to draft, sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

*edit*
But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

No personal insults please!

[Archx]

Thank god you’re not running the team right or we’d have Mo Bamba instead of Luka doncic. It’s weird to be right about one draft pick ever and then make it your whole personality. Hindsight is 20-20 and you are objectively significantly worse at evaluating talent then the Mavs FO.

Not long ago Cuban admitted it was his fault Mavs didn't draft Giannis, it's hard to understand that daoneandonly is more worried about drafting Josh but not Giannis?

Mavs also drafted DSJr who was more or less a fail but it did lead to a draft which landed them Luka and Brunson. That was basically like winning a lottery for them. It's hard to draft, sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

Ignoring the Bozo poster who's as obsessed with me as apparently I am Green. He's on ignore and is irrelevant not only on realgm, but in life in general no matter how many times he feels the need to quote me.

But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

[41Dirk41]

Guys, you all are talking about Cuban's failures in last 12years and you are **** right... I hope the new owners take off him from leading this franchise otherwise we are done.

[daoneandonly]

Not long ago Cuban admitted it was his fault Mavs didn't draft Giannis, it's hard to understand that daoneandonly is more worried about drafting Josh but not Giannis?

Mavs also drafted DSJr who was more or less a fail but it did lead to a draft which landed them Luka and Brunson. That was basically like winning a lottery for them. It's hard to draft, sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

Ignoring the Bozo poster who's as obsessed with me as apparently I am Green. He's on ignore and is irrelevant not only on realgm, but in life in general no matter how many times he feels the need to quote me.

But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

Yea Lively has been an awesome. And yes you are absolutely correct about Brunson and the draft in general. For what its worth the list that I posted for fails, I wasn't ranking them by opinion, I was listing them in what I believe was the order in which they occurred sequentially.

[daoneandonly]

Guys, you all are talking about Cuban's failures in last 12years and you are **** right... I hope the new owners take off him from leading this franchise otherwise we are done.

Problem is, he's still "in charge of basketball ops"

[BeiBeau]

Not long ago Cuban admitted it was his fault Mavs didn't draft Giannis, it's hard to understand that daoneandonly is more worried about drafting Josh but not Giannis?

Mavs also drafted DSJr who was more or less a fail but it did lead to a draft which landed them Luka and Brunson. That was basically like winning a lottery for them. It's hard to draft, sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

Ignoring the Bozo poster who's as obsessed with me as apparently I am Green. He's on ignore and is irrelevant not only on realgm, but in life in general no matter how many times he feels the need to quote me.

But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

It seems like a bigger mistake now because KP more than anything matured a lot in Washington. He went bitching about being the 2nd option to Luka and not getting post ups to now being the 3rd option and now being a roll man in Boston.

It sucks but KP was fairly toxic so I understand dumping him, he’s grown up since then and can finally fit winning culture so it looks worse.

[41Dirk41]

Guys, you all are talking about Cuban's failures in last 12years and you are **** right... I hope the new owners take off him from leading this franchise otherwise we are done.

Problem is, he's still "in charge of basketball ops"

Yes you are right, we can only hope this is a fake assignment or maybe with new owners money he bring back the old passion...

[Archx]

Ignoring the Bozo poster who's as obsessed with me as apparently I am Green. He's on ignore and is irrelevant not only on realgm, but in life in general no matter how many times he feels the need to quote me.

But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

It seems like a bigger mistake now because KP more than anything matured a lot in Washington. He went bitching about being the 2nd option to Luka and not getting post ups to now being the 3rd option and now being a roll man in Boston.

It sucks but KP was fairly toxic so I understand dumping him, he’s grown up since then and can finally fit winning culture so it looks worse.

I honestly don't know what went through his head. But i can just talk what i saw with my own eyes. KP somehow didn't and yet he somehow did fit in Rick's system. Problem was injuries and his poor dribbling skills. My thinking is, if Lively can roll and dribble almost from the 3pt line to the rim, why KP couldn't do the same? We all remember how Reggie Jackson managed to hold him in the perimeter, right? Was embarrassing to watch....
Then with Kidd, he wanted to give KP his wish by playing more in the post, yet he couldn't do that either and again more injuries...

Like you said, probably he needed to mature more but his only response was that him and Luka simply wasn't a good fit. I disagree, i think they were great fit, they just didn't have a proper chance to work it out.

[Mavrelous]

Ignoring the Bozo poster who's as obsessed with me as apparently I am Green. He's on ignore and is irrelevant not only on realgm, but in life in general no matter how many times he feels the need to quote me.

But I can talk to Arch. No doubt the Giannis one was a massive fail, but like you said with DSJ, we still somehow managed to get a generational talent after the fact. So as much as that stings, and it does, Luka in some ways made it palatable. What doesnt is the mistake after mistake since. Everything I listed out has been a massive fail and put this team in a hole. Its more than Josh sure, but again its easy to see that if we had just drafted better in 2020, much of the other things may not have even occurred. A Dallas native Maxey or TCU grad Bane would have made Brunson immediately expendable, making it likely we could have traded him for value. Also means we would not have been in dire need for another ball handler like Dinwiddie, so that garbage KP trade would not have happened either.

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

It seems like a bigger mistake now because KP more than anything matured a lot in Washington. He went bitching about being the 2nd option to Luka and not getting post ups to now being the 3rd option and now being a roll man in Boston.

It sucks but KP was fairly toxic so I understand dumping him, he’s grown up since then and can finally fit winning culture so it looks worse.

He said so himself, and he's playing like it in Boston, shoots 3s, rolls, cuts to the basket, and passes from the high posts, on defense, he protects the rim.
In DAL, he refused to roll after the injury, and was too hubbled to rotate and block.

[daoneandonly]

I don't disagree but i do simply move on because there is nothing we can do now. I think losing Brunson put everything into even bigger perspective that's why it probably also pisses you off even more about Green. Imagine if they missed on Lively, i was actually against drafting him and i made that clear over and over but i'm coming around, i really like that guy, he's a warrior. It's a hit or miss league all around

But in general, like i said, i don't worry about drafts too much because free agency is what really worries me about this team and a constant reminder that historically they can't land any stars. And yeah trading KP that fast was still a fail in my book, even though Dinwiddie did help them get to the WCF.

It seems like a bigger mistake now because KP more than anything matured a lot in Washington. He went bitching about being the 2nd option to Luka and not getting post ups to now being the 3rd option and now being a roll man in Boston.

It sucks but KP was fairly toxic so I understand dumping him, he’s grown up since then and can finally fit winning culture so it looks worse.

He said so himself, and he's playing like it in Boston, shoots 3s, rolls, cuts to the basket, and passes from the high posts, on defense, he protects the rim.
In DAL, he refused to roll after the injury, and was too hubbled to rotate and block.

He was a diva here and in NY. I get the gamble but it blew up big time, and we still owe a pick despite taking a bunch of crap contracts on. Nonetheless, the trade to get him was understandably justifiable. There's no defending or rationalizing the trade to Washington. That started the nose dive for this team.

[tleikheen]

I dont think Boston loses to Indiana with KP playing . He makes their offense and defense more complete when he's in the lineup.
What is crazy is that KP has a better chance to get to the NBA Finals faster than Luka does and be a key piece to whether they win or not.

[daoneandonly]

I dont think Boston loses to Indiana with KP playing . He makes their offense and defense more complete when he's in the lineup.
What is crazy is that KP has a better chance to get to the NBA Finals faster than Luka does and be a key piece to whether they win or not.

Not that crazy. Boston has competent people from top to bottom running their operations, we don't

[Maverick41]

Beyond just the ineptness on defense at POA and a decent big backup, I also think we need at least 1 other guy that can do something with the ball. Preferably a wing (a bigger one especially). Teams are hard doubling on Kyrie and Luka and then flying around to shooters because they know that a majority of Mavs role players can't do anything outside of stand still shooting. A chunk of them also have slower releases which makes it even easier to defend.

If there's an upgrade out there, you do it even if it means benching a starter or 2. I'm not married to Grant being our permanent starter like many are here. Bring him off the bench as a 7th or 8th man if there's an upgrade out there.

[Archx]

Mavs have 7th best offense in the league and also 7th worst defense. So if anything, they need a coach with actual schemes and scenarios how to counter opponents on either side. Kidd heavily relies on either Luka or Kyrie to do something and Lively on the other end protecting the rim. In my opinion, a competent coach would be much better at this point than any trade.

[Maverick41]

Green is out for a couple weeks per Shams with his elbow injury. Not to mention all the injuries to Grant, Kyrie, THJ, etc.

Cut Morris's useless butt and sign a guy that can defend decently on the wing as a flier. Terrence Davis or Hamidou Diallo for example. I'm pretty surprised Terrence Davis is still jobless honestly.

[BeiBeau]

Green is out for a couple weeks per Shams with his elbow injury. Not to mention all the injuries to Grant, Kyrie, THJ, etc.

Cut Morris's useless butt and sign a guy that can defend decently on the wing as a flier. Terrence Davis or Hamidou Diallo for example. I'm pretty surprised Terrence Davis is still jobless honestly.

If Grant is actually experiencing leg issues that could actually explain his shooting issues.

[daoneandonly]

Yea Mirris is useless. Give that roster spot to someone more deserving

[Teffer10]

What about Jerami Grant?

I know he has a horrible contract but if Portland would do THJ/Maxi for Grant would that interest anyone?