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[PeteW]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

[F N 11]

We really passed on Hali for Obi then traded Obi to play with Hali lol. I would never forget that bull. Front office yet to recover.

Not sure I would call two shizzy 2nd rounders for a good lottery pick (when we have no backup) a trade.
Sounds like someone got compromising photo’s of someone.

Anyway, remember it is just a business (except with Obi, then we gotta do right by him.)

Sigh bro it’s really wild. Really had to hear “Obi playing well this year for Pacers” on a national broadcast.

[HarthorneWingo]

Did Thibs ever try him at the 3? I can't remember that happening. I guess the big question is Obi guarding smaller/quicker 3s. I don't recall Obi guarding Butler. If he did, and I don't doubt those who say he did, then I would question the sample size. All I'm saying is that if Obi is a 3, let's wait and see what his defensive rating looks like after a sufficient number of games at that position. The Pacers also have Mathurin who is a legit 3 and very talented. They must've moved Obi to the 3 because he didn't rebound enough and they want him out on the break.

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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What you don't see is the insane amount of fast break points he generates off those blocks and steals. Obi leads the league in pace points. The pacers are #1 in fast break buckets and Obi is probably the biggest reason why.

2 2nd rounders tho...

On top of passing up on Haliburton. Complete malpractice.

[dakomish23]

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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What you don't see is the insane amount of fast break points he generates off those blocks and steals. Obi leads the league in pace points. The pacers are #1 in fast break buckets and Obi is probably the biggest reason why.

2 2nd rounders tho...

On top of passing up on Haliburton. Complete malpractice.

Don't blame Stephen A for passing on Haliburton (first minute)

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[sol537]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

[spree2kawhi]

So Melo retired…

[spree2kawhi]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

[Guano]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

Where is the evidence to support this?


We have drafted trash that hasn't blossomed when it left. Unless you're blaming the Knicks for ruining careers which is silly.

And there is proof that you're wrong in IQ.

[Reign23]

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5 players in the top 100!

[cgmw]

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

Where is the evidence to support this?


We have drafted trash that hasn't blossomed when it left. Unless you're blaming the Knicks for ruining careers which is silly.

And there is proof that you're wrong in IQ.

I’m with Spree2Kawhi.

Fans think these draftees will end up the same no matter where they go, which is a logical fallacy and philosophical conundrum with no solution.

My “evidence” that nurture impacts player development as much if not more than nature is just common sense.

When SGA was drafted, the Knicks were in delusional “win now” mode despite having terrible talent. IMO management would NEVER have allowed a rookie to start at PG when Jared Jack, Pablo Prigioni, or even Elfrid Payton was available. Same goes for Haliburton IMO who probably would have been developed as a 6th man at best. Keep in mind the Knicks hired a coach who believes in grinding out wins with iso-ball. Haliburton would never get to 11 apg in an offense that’s intentionally designed to be at the bottom of the league in assists.

Anyway, I have no “evidence” that they would have been lesser players just as you have no “evidence” that they would have been the same.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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5 players in the top 100!

Brunson should be at 20 above PG, Sabonis, Zion and Mitchell. None of those dudes has won a thing.

[MrDollarBills]

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5 players in the top 100!

Curry should be bumped down, Joker, Embiid and Giannis are the top 3, I put Luka at #4.

SGA is a better overall player than Booker to me.

[HarthorneWingo]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

We could’ve had Donovan, Mikal, and Haliburton just be drafting them.

We could’ve been contendahs.

We could’ve been somebody.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Obi put the clamps on Butler last night. Carlisle used him as the primary defender on Butler and Obi frustrated him all game.

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What you don't see is the insane amount of fast break points he generates off those blocks and steals. Obi leads the league in pace points. The pacers are #1 in fast break buckets and Obi is probably the biggest reason why.

2 2nd rounders tho...

On top of passing up on Haliburton. Complete malpractice.

[HarthorneWingo]

What you don't see is the insane amount of fast break points he generates off those blocks and steals. Obi leads the league in pace points. The pacers are #1 in fast break buckets and Obi is probably the biggest reason why.

2 2nd rounders tho...

On top of passing up on Haliburton. Complete malpractice.

I want my pain and suffering money!!!

[ScienceOfLosing]

What are some of yall pre draft prediction hit or misses?

I had Haliburton being a bust cuz of his weird shot release.

I had Sengun tho being a star.

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

I was worried about Mikal’s upside but was a victim of both prior Knicks failures and my naivety.

I did prefer Hali over Obi and not close.

[spree2kawhi]

I wanted Mikal Bridges and Haliburton over the crap we ended up with.

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

Where is the evidence to support this?


We have drafted trash that hasn't blossomed when it left. Unless you're blaming the Knicks for ruining careers which is silly.

And there is proof that you're wrong in IQ.

These players were all very raw too but got ample opportunity. Other players weren’t, but these two were very raw. Add SGA to the list too. There weren’t any mock drafts listing him ahead of Knox. Then it’s about the experiences you make on your first year, the attitude you develop, the self-image they create for you as a rookie. Unfortunately for our rookies, we were catering to the Burkes and Burks of this league. Trey Burke! Coach was on a mission not to let any talent evolve back then.

[Chanel Bomber]

If the Knicks ever win this tournament, James Dolan and MSG will sell it as a meaningful achievement and - if fans go along with it - it will inevitably release some of the pressure on winning a championship.

This is a weird concern because... well... are we talking about the same Knicks franchise here? What has the pressure of winning a championship ever done for the James Dolan Knicks

Chanel is clutching pearls and getting posters to talk about Tottenham all because he hates fun.

It's time for some consequences.

Go ahead t0ugh guy

[Guano]

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

Where is the evidence to support this?


We have drafted trash that hasn't blossomed when it left. Unless you're blaming the Knicks for ruining careers which is silly.

And there is proof that you're wrong in IQ.

I’m with Spree2Kawhi.

Fans think these draftees will end up the same no matter where they go, which is a logical fallacy and philosophical conundrum with no solution.

My “evidence” that nurture impacts player development as much if not more than nature is just common sense.

When SGA was drafted, the Knicks were in delusional “win now” mode despite having terrible talent. IMO management would NEVER have allowed a rookie to start at PG when Jared Jack, Pablo Prigioni, or even Elfrid Payton was available. Same goes for Haliburton IMO who probably would have been developed as a 6th man at best. Keep in mind the Knicks hired a coach who believes in grinding out wins with iso-ball. Haliburton would never get to 11 apg in an offense that’s intentionally designed to be at the bottom of the league in assists.

Anyway, I have no “evidence” that they would have been lesser players just as you have no “evidence” that they would have been the same.

Okay, but be real here, you and I both know that Frank and Knox weren't going to be sht if they were drafted here or over there.

And I never said they would be the same. But every player that has left here hasn't been sht. And to say we ruined them is silly at best. They don't go on to do sht. Kinda evidence that we drafted trash out of the gate.

Add its hard to take an argument seriously when you think we are such a horrible franchise that we would ruin an elite talent such as SGA or Hali. When he might actually be a more well rounded player with the Knicks - cause thibs would have encouraged him to actually play defense.

[spree2kawhi]

The problem is they wouldn’t have blossomed here the way they did elsewhere. It is still a shame of course.

Where is the evidence to support this?


We have drafted trash that hasn't blossomed when it left. Unless you're blaming the Knicks for ruining careers which is silly.

And there is proof that you're wrong in IQ.

I’m with Spree2Kawhi.

Fans think these draftees will end up the same no matter where they go, which is a logical fallacy and philosophical conundrum with no solution.

My “evidence” that nurture impacts player development as much if not more than nature is just common sense.

When SGA was drafted, the Knicks were in delusional “win now” mode despite having terrible talent. IMO management would NEVER have allowed a rookie to start at PG when Jared Jack, Pablo Prigioni, or even Elfrid Payton was available. Same goes for Haliburton IMO who probably would have been developed as a 6th man at best. Keep in mind the Knicks hired a coach who believes in grinding out wins with iso-ball. Haliburton would never get to 11 apg in an offense that’s intentionally designed to be at the bottom of the league in assists.

Anyway, I have no “evidence” that they would have been lesser players just as you have no “evidence” that they would have been the same.

You have no evidence, but you’re absolutely right.