How Is LeBron Playing At Such A High Level? Unreal...

BadaBoom · Post #41 » by **BadaBoom** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:40 am

To me what differentiates him that much from other historical old NBA players is simply that from a body/genetics perspective he really is a one in a billion lottery winner and he just was very lucky to never have a serious injury (the kind you never totally recover from).

Of course he obviously takes great care of his body and he spends a lot in all sort of health related science, from nutrition and personal therapist for recovery to more traditional medical care (the amount of 1.5M$/year is what's reported by a few sources) but most of the "old" all-time great also took great care of their body and could not avoid creaky knees and injuries that makes you slow-down a lot.

I never was a fan of his game but looking at him moving like he was in his early 30's rather than almost 40 is really astonishing and defies traditional body physics.

benhillboy · Post #42 » by **benhillboy** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:43 am

I’ve never even been a fan (his rebounding, on ball defense, and post play were never to the level I expected) but still the basketball world takes him for granted. He’s obviously one in a multi-billion. I think some of it is his ego but if anyone deserves to truly fancy themselves a King it’s this dude. I never get into the GOAT debates but have no issue with LeBron staking claim. His longevity combined with production is approaching truly miraculous levels. Like how do you destroy your career average and career best effective field goal percentage at 39?!?!?!

Post #43 » by **zimpy27** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:50 am

BadaBoom wrote:To me what differentiates him that much from other historical old NBA players is simply that from a body/genetics perspective he really is a one in a billion lottery winner and he just was very lucky to never have a serious injury (the kind you never totally recover from).

Of course he obviously takes great care of his body and he spends a lot in all sort of health related science, from nutrition and personal therapist for recovery to more traditional medical care (the amount of 1.5M$/year is what's reported by a few sources) but most of the "old" all-time great also took great care of their body and could not avoid creaky knees and injuries that makes you slow-down a lot.

I never was a fan of his game but looking at him moving like he was in his early 30's rather than almost 40 is really astonishing and defies traditional body physics.

I agree, some of it is his perfect landing and jumping technique. Even back in 2010 I remember a physio breaking down how LeBron always lands perfectly in terms of minimizing strain on his lower body. It's text book.

One thing most people miss here is that LeBron's basketball IQ is probably the highest of all, he's taken the game to a point where he manages himself and picks spots during a game. You can see his age, it comes up in meters moved per second on the court. He was moving less and less over the Cavs stint and was bottom of the league as soon as he came to Lakers.

The game management part of his game has kept him young and has kept him playing well. A night like tonight was special, he still goes all out for playoffs and now it seemss IST.

JN61 · Post #44 » by **JN61** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:53 am

NBA + refs + work ethic basically.

JN61 · Post #45 » by **JN61** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:55 am

benhillboy wrote:I’ve never even been a fan (his rebounding, on ball defense, and post play were never to the level I expected) but still the basketball world takes him for granted. He’s obviously one in a multi-billion. I think some of it is his ego but if anyone deserves to truly fancy themselves a King it’s this dude. I never get into the GOAT debates but have no issue with LeBron staking claim. His longevity combined with production is approaching truly miraculous levels. Like how do you destroy your career average and career best effective field goal percentage at 39?!?!?!

Just early season fluke. He is already crashing hard. I reckon he will drop bellow 50% fg if he keeps on this kind of volume.

timO · Post #46 » by **timO** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 10:37 am

unreal timeout while losing the ball

mvp :roll:

Homer38 · Post #47 » by **Homer38** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 11:10 am

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Homer38 · Post #48 » by **Homer38** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 11:28 am

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Post #49 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 11:31 am

Through hard work, great genetics, some luck, and technological enhancements, he’s remained virtually free of the serious injuries that take huge tolls on guys with high mileage. The human body doesn’t age that fast in rhe late 30’s, it’s usually the grind of being a pro athlete that makes those guys look ancient. He’s managed it to a tee. LeBron should be the blueprint for guys trying to have long careers. He absolutely maximized and prioritized rest and active rest and recovery.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #50 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 12:28 pm

1/3 modern medicine (including copious amounts of PEDs)
1/3 winning the genetic sweepstakes (he had nothing to do with this)
1/3 playing in the easiest era to score in NBA history with relaxed rules for offense and strict rules for defense while games are played at a faster pace with more possessions as a result.

firedavidkahn · Post #51 » by **firedavidkahn** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 12:42 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:Posted this in the game thread then just had to make a solo thread about this.

WillyJakkz wrote:Ok... How TF is LeBron James playing at such a high level STILL??? This is beyond insane. It defies athletic and sports logic.

This makes no sense. I mean not gonna lie he looked like he was on his way to being cooked last season and then the season before and now it's like he's had a resurgence.

Unbelievable.

Props to King James. I'm a respect this man and appreciate him while we still can cause wow... All athletes I know or can think of this age wasn't moving like this. Ran like they knees hurt and ****. Unreal...

It isn't necessarily unprecedented in all of sports. NFL just had this version of LBJ with Tom Brady. LeBron will basically be elite until the day he retires. Literally once in a 10 generation athlete.

firedavidkahn · Post #52 » by **firedavidkahn** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 12:43 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:NBA has an weak drug testing policy+ incredibly hard work and discipline + basketball genius + legitimate genetic outlier athletic base to build off of

But I will say this, Kareem was 1st team All NBA and won a Finals MVP at 38, so this isn't totally unprecedented

People still desperately want to believe he is on PEDs?

:lol:

There's never been any credible proof linking LBJ to anything

firedavidkahn · Post #53 » by **firedavidkahn** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 12:47 pm

ryguy613 wrote:
Trey24 wrote:
ryguy613 wrote:
please explain literally any of your post in greater detail. lol. that was one hell of a word salad my dude.

Not my fault if you can't read.

i mean, i can read the words you wrote just fine... they just dont mean anything. you said a whole bunch of nothing, which is worse than not typing at all, because at least then you wouldnt be wasting our time.

So lets get this straight then... ehem... lemme see if i got this...

LeBron is OBVIOUSLY doing "stuff" with his body other guys dont have access to? LeBron has a secret evil science lab or some ****? where are you going with this? WHY doesnt anyone else have access to it? What is it a bottle of "Michael's Secret Stuff" from Space Jam? lol...

It may not be PED.... but.... its SOMETHING!!!!!! Brilliant. Youre a real **** Columbo with this one

Dude sold his soul long ago... this for SURE!!!! I mean can you at least explain this one? what does this even mean? lol. He sold his soul? like to the devil? the ****? what did this man do to hurt you so badly that youre calling him a soulless satan worshipper. like... chill. lol

"What it means beyond that... nobody really knows". Literally a meaningless sentence. It adds nothing. it makes no point. I honestly cant even tell what youre remotely trying to get across with this one.

Like i said... World. Salad. My. Dude.

This times 1000

LeBron must have access to super secret steroids that only he can get in all of the world :lol:

EmpireFalls · Post #54 » by **EmpireFalls** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:18 pm

firedavidkahn wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:NBA has an weak drug testing policy+ incredibly hard work and discipline + basketball genius + legitimate genetic outlier athletic base to build off of

But I will say this, Kareem was 1st team All NBA and won a Finals MVP at 38, so this isn't totally unprecedented

People still desperately want to believe he is on PEDs?

There's never been any credible proof linking LBJ to anything

PEDs are not necessarily cheating. It is very likely that he is using things that aren’t even banned.

I mean we know he sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber, spends millions on his body, has access to “the LeBron James of Feet”, etc. These are obviously advantages he has over 90% of the other guys in the league. It isn’t cheating, but there is a clear difference between him doing this in 2023 and someone doing this in 1983 for example.

NbaAllDay · Post #55 » by **NbaAllDay** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:23 pm

levon wrote:I'm supposed to believe LeBron is on PEDs and no one else is or was at this stage of their careers. Or I'm supposed to believe it's because he spends more than others. Brother if money's the differentiator, Jaylen Brown should be a top 10 player of all time going forward by spending 10m a year on neurocognitive augmentation.

The reality is he's just that good and he still has that fire to put in the work every day. He's hungrier now than half of the kids coming in through the draft.

Can anyone who continues to jump into this thread and make the usual ignorant comments actually absorb what is being said here and save yourself some embarrassment.

maxpower8888 · Post #56 » by **maxpower8888** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:24 pm

What's really been impressive about LeBron this year is that he's actually been noticeably better and less lazy on defense this year as compared to the last few years before that. Everything he's doing at this age is truly astounding!

EmpireFalls · Post #57 » by **EmpireFalls** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:28 pm

levon wrote:I'm supposed to believe LeBron is on PEDs and no one else is or was at this stage of their careers. Or I'm supposed to believe it's because he spends more than others. Brother if money's the differentiator, Jaylen Brown should be a top 10 player of all time going forward by spending 10m a year on neurocognitive augmentation.

The reality is he's just that good and he still has that fire to put in the work every day. He's hungrier now than half of the kids coming in through the draft.

Compared to guys from previous eras, yes, it’s not debatable that what he has access to dwarfs what they had access to. And I mean that holistically from medical science, personal nutritional sleep training, the advanced recovery techniques, the cushy hotels/flights, etc.

Compared to Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc. yes it is a differentiator that cannot be omitted.

Homer38 · Post #58 » by **Homer38** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:28 pm

maxpower8888 wrote:What's really been impressive about LeBron this year is that he's actually been noticeably better and less lazy on defense this year as compared to the last few years before that. Everything he's doing at this age is truly astounding!

A big reason is because he is healthier this year than the two years before...Remember LBJ missed 1-2 weeks in each of the last 2 years in November

firedavidkahn · Post #59 » by **firedavidkahn** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:31 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
firedavidkahn wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:NBA has an weak drug testing policy+ incredibly hard work and discipline + basketball genius + legitimate genetic outlier athletic base to build off of

But I will say this, Kareem was 1st team All NBA and won a Finals MVP at 38, so this isn't totally unprecedented

People still desperately want to believe he is on PEDs?

There's never been any credible proof linking LBJ to anything

PEDs are not necessarily cheating. It is very likely that he is using things that aren’t even banned.

I mean we know he sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber, spends millions on his body, has access to “the LeBron James of Feet”, etc. These are obviously advantages he has over 90% of the other guys in the league. It isn’t cheating, but there is a clear difference between him doing this in 2023 and someone doing this in 1983 for example.

Hyperbaric aren't new and anyone with money has access to them.

Good doctors aren't new and anyone with money (every team in the league has access to these Doctors) has access to them

Bergmaniac · Post #60 » by **Bergmaniac** » Wed Dec 6, 2023 2:14 pm

Amazing how LeBron is the only multimillionaire in the whole league with access to the magical PEDs which defeat Father Time. All the other stars who made 100 mln. plus in their careers and looked completely washed up at 35 or younger are obviously just not smart enough to use these PEDs. LeBron could have at least told his buddy Melo which doctors to call, but nope, he is just greedy this way.