NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[eyeatoma]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while

It's absolutely bonkers that a guy can be 22/15/10 and it's a BAD GAME for him. And it was, it was a bad game.That speaks volume to the bar he has set for himself.

And you can spin it to just “a bad game”, when it was one of the worst games for any MVP candidate in recent memory.

But at the end of the day, Jokic is still the best player on the planet.

9 for 32? And blew a double digit lead to the mediocre clippers and you come here and say he’s the best player on the planet?

Jokic plays 1 side of the ball, can’t be the best player in the league playing one side of the ball, he is absolutely terrible on defense and this is evident. EVERY TIME he goes against a half decent center that center ALWAYS puts up monsters numbers.

let’s look at some match ups….

Sabonis 17pts 15 rbs 7ast Loss

Nurkic 31pts 6rbs 2ast

Sengun 22pts 7rbs 4ast

Sengun 21pts 15rbs 8ast Loss

Jonas 22pts 8rbs 3ast Loss

Sengun 23pts 8rbs 5ast Loss

Kessler 22pts 13rbs

Vucevic 19pts 7rbs 3ast

And some of these centers aren’t that great, like I said some of these guys are only half decent.
Defensively he just isn’t MVP caliber, obviously offensively that an entire different story but because of his defense you can’t say he’s the best player on the planet. The only way that this could be true is if you completely ignore defense all together and only blindly care about offense which I’m not even convinced he’s a better offensive player than Embiid.

Shhh... It's sacrilege to say this stuff around these parts. People not talking about Jokic as their savior on here are persecuted like people from the Salem witch hunt trials.

[AleksandarN]

I love this. They are all coming out of the woodwork. I love it. Because these type of games happen maybe once a year or two. Yes this is Jokic worse game since he became a superstar. I am mean 9 for 32. lol. So soak it up. There won’t be many of these games from Jokic the most consistent star out there.

[ChartFiction]

Impressed by how long SGA has kept up so far this season

He's looking very good. He's in the mix with Jokic and Embiid.

[Hussien Fatal]

And you can spin it to just “a bad game”, when it was one of the worst games for any MVP candidate in recent memory.

But at the end of the day, Jokic is still the best player on the planet.

9 for 32? And blew a double digit lead to the mediocre clippers and you come here and say he’s the best player on the planet?

Jokic plays 1 side of the ball, can’t be the best player in the league playing one side of the ball, he is absolutely terrible on defense and this is evident. EVERY TIME he goes against a half decent center that center ALWAYS puts up monsters numbers.

let’s look at some match ups….

Sabonis 17pts 15 rbs 7ast Loss

Nurkic 31pts 6rbs 2ast

Sengun 22pts 7rbs 4ast

Sengun 21pts 15rbs 8ast Loss

Jonas 22pts 8rbs 3ast Loss

Sengun 23pts 8rbs 5ast Loss

Kessler 22pts 13rbs

Vucevic 19pts 7rbs 3ast

And some of these centers aren’t that great, like I said some of these guys are only half decent.
Defensively he just isn’t MVP caliber, obviously offensively that an entire different story but because of his defense you can’t say he’s the best player on the planet. The only way that this could be true is if you completely ignore defense all together and only blindly care about offense which I’m not even convinced he’s a better offensive player than Embiid.

So is he declining like Giannis? You made a thread about Giannis declining. Let's make one about Jokic.

If you actually go back to that thread and READ you would see I did not state Giannis was on a decline, in fact i was only asking a question. Even in the thread I said on the OP “is Giannis on a decline or is he just off to a slow start” but people that are slow like you interpreted that as me stating Gannis is on a decline.

But don’t get in your feeling because I stated a fact that Jokic is terrible on defense and clearly only elite at one side of the ball.

[AleksandarN]

Impressed by how long SGA has kept up so far this season

He's looking very good. He's in the mix with Jokic and Embiid.

Yeah he is having an amazing season so far. Definitely MVP candidate

[KGtabake]

I love this. They are all coming out of the woodwork. I love it. Because these type of games happen maybe once a year or two. Yes this is Jokic worse game since he became a superstar. I am mean 9 for 32. lol. So soak it up. They won’t be many of these games from Jokic the most consistent star out there.

Consistency? That's LeBron. 21 years and counting.
Let's give him that at least
But I'm with you for Niko. When someone is that good, he generates enemies. That's our era i guess

[eyeatoma]

I love this. They are all coming out of the woodwork. I love it. Because these type of games happen maybe once a year or two. Yes this is Jokic worse game since he became a superstar. I am mean 9 for 32. lol. So soak it up. There won’t be many of these games from Jokic the most consistent star out there.

Perhaps you don't know what that phrase means. No one is coming out of the woodwork, myself and few others have been here the whole time.

[AleksandarN]

9 for 32? And blew a double digit lead to the mediocre clippers and you come here and say he’s the best player on the planet?

Jokic plays 1 side of the ball, can’t be the best player in the league playing one side of the ball, he is absolutely terrible on defense and this is evident. EVERY TIME he goes against a half decent center that center ALWAYS puts up monsters numbers.

let’s look at some match ups….

Sabonis 17pts 15 rbs 7ast Loss

Nurkic 31pts 6rbs 2ast

Sengun 22pts 7rbs 4ast

Sengun 21pts 15rbs 8ast Loss

Jonas 22pts 8rbs 3ast Loss

Sengun 23pts 8rbs 5ast Loss

Kessler 22pts 13rbs

Vucevic 19pts 7rbs 3ast

And some of these centers aren’t that great, like I said some of these guys are only half decent.
Defensively he just isn’t MVP caliber, obviously offensively that an entire different story but because of his defense you can’t say he’s the best player on the planet. The only way that this could be true is if you completely ignore defense all together and only blindly care about offense which I’m not even convinced he’s a better offensive player than Embiid.

So is he declining like Giannis? You made a thread about Giannis declining. Let's make one about Jokic.

If you go back to that thread I did not state Giannis was on a decline in fact it was a question. Even in the thread I say “is Giannis on a decline or is he just off to a slow start” but people that are slow like you interpreted that as me stating Gannis is on a decline.

But don’t get in your feeling because I stated a fact that Jokic is terrible on defense and clearly only elite at one side of the ball.

Lol he is not terrible on defense. He is not elite either that’s for sure. But if Jokic was terrible on defense he wouldn’t have won a championship last year. See you go to extremes to try to make your point. It is not a good look bud. I get it, I get it you are so happy when Jokic has a bad game. But all this hate is unhealthy. Just let it go. You will have a better life.

[KGtabake]

9 for 32? And blew a double digit lead to the mediocre clippers and you come here and say he’s the best player on the planet?

Jokic plays 1 side of the ball, can’t be the best player in the league playing one side of the ball, he is absolutely terrible on defense and this is evident. EVERY TIME he goes against a half decent center that center ALWAYS puts up monsters numbers.

let’s look at some match ups….

Sabonis 17pts 15 rbs 7ast Loss

Nurkic 31pts 6rbs 2ast

Sengun 22pts 7rbs 4ast

Sengun 21pts 15rbs 8ast Loss

Jonas 22pts 8rbs 3ast Loss

Sengun 23pts 8rbs 5ast Loss

Kessler 22pts 13rbs

Vucevic 19pts 7rbs 3ast

And some of these centers aren’t that great, like I said some of these guys are only half decent.
Defensively he just isn’t MVP caliber, obviously offensively that an entire different story but because of his defense you can’t say he’s the best player on the planet. The only way that this could be true is if you completely ignore defense all together and only blindly care about offense which I’m not even convinced he’s a better offensive player than Embiid.

So is he declining like Giannis? You made a thread about Giannis declining. Let's make one about Jokic.

If you go back to that thread I did not state Giannis was on a decline in fact it was a question. Even in the thread I say “is Giannis on a decline or is he just off to a slow start” but people that are slow like you interpreted that as me stating Gannis is on a decline.

But don’t get in your feeling because I stated a fact that Jokic is terrible on defense and clearly only elite at one side of the ball.

No. Actually you wish and you want guys like Giannis or Jokic to decline, so that you can finally celebrate.
Every season (and i mean EVERY season) you make a thread about a guy who's better than Embiid(or you make one about Embiid being better than Hakeem) trying to downgrade him.
How's that working for you?
10 years in the league, 0 conference finals.
Keep it going, it's amusing.

[AleksandarN]

I love this. They are all coming out of the woodwork. I love it. Because these type of games happen maybe once a year or two. Yes this is Jokic worse game since he became a superstar. I am mean 9 for 32. lol. So soak it up. There won’t be many of these games from Jokic the most consistent star out there.

Perhaps you don't know what that phrase means. No one is coming out of the woodwork, myself and few others have been here the whole time.

Yet you rarely post anything when Jokic has a good game. Nice try

[Hussien Fatal]

The two centers tonight

9-32 (Jokic)
19-29 (Embiid)

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while

It's absolutely bonkers that a guy can be 22/15/10 and it's a BAD GAME for him. And it was, it was a bad game.That speaks volume to the bar he has set for himself.

The voters will be like "Jokic had a bad game. Wait, wtf? He had 22/15/10? Damn, he was OFF tonight offensively but still created at LEAST 42 points himself?!"

Lol an off game for embiid is 30pts 10rbs and 5ast with good defense. And sure Jokic had a triple double but he shot a pathetic 9 for 32 shooting his team out of the game while once again playing terrible defense…your delusional if you think this game helped his MVP chances especially when Embiid dropped 50pts 13rbs and 7ast. Get real buddy.

[eyeatoma]

I love this. They are all coming out of the woodwork. I love it. Because these type of games happen maybe once a year or two. Yes this is Jokic worse game since he became a superstar. I am mean 9 for 32. lol. So soak it up. There won’t be many of these games from Jokic the most consistent star out there.

Perhaps you don't know what that phrase means. No one is coming out of the woodwork, myself and few others have been here the whole time.

Yet you rarely post anything when Jokic has a good game. Nice try

I've complimented him plenty. These are really odd takes by you. Didn't realize you were judge, jury and executioner around here.

[Hussien Fatal]

So is he declining like Giannis? You made a thread about Giannis declining. Let's make one about Jokic.

If you go back to that thread I did not state Giannis was on a decline in fact it was a question. Even in the thread I say “is Giannis on a decline or is he just off to a slow start” but people that are slow like you interpreted that as me stating Gannis is on a decline.

But don’t get in your feeling because I stated a fact that Jokic is terrible on defense and clearly only elite at one side of the ball.

No. Actually you wish and you want guys like Giannis or Jokic to decline, so that you can finally celebrate.
Every season (and i mean EVERY season) you make a thread about a guy who's better than Embiid(or you make one about Embiid being better than Hakeem) trying to downgrade him.
How's that working for you?
10 years in the league, 0 conference finals.
Keep it going, it's amusing.

Gannis is one of my favorite players in the league and I respect Jokic’s greatness as well. But the conference finals argument is weak considering Embiid is still in his prime and has many more great seasons ahead of him. I am confident he will get to the conference finals and eventually the final maybe as soon as this season. Embiid absolutely crushes Jokic when they play each other. So honestly I already know whose better and his first name is Joel.

If Embiid is healthy come playoff time and doesn’t make it past the 2nd round this season I would be shocked. That’s how confident I am he can get it done.

[eyeatoma]

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[RB34]

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He’s an incredible scorer but let’s not get it twisted. There is no bias against Embiid, people don’t like him because he’s a flopper, foul baiter and his game is ugly.

[eyeatoma]

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He’s an incredible scorer but let’s not get it twisted. There is no bias against Embiid, people don’t like him because he’s a flopper, foul baiter and his game is ugly.

People don't like him because of Jokic (they think every player should play like him, be a point center. Jokic is 1 of 1, in NBA histoyr. He's an incredble player, probably a future top 10 player, the biggest problem has been the comparisons. They're not the same player and shouldn't be, that would be boring). I get the flopping can be excessive, and I wish social media didn't view his flopping in a vacuum. His game is actually not ugly. He earns the majority of his calls, and he plays like MJ/Kobe/Durant/Carmelo/Dirk (hell you even see it in that tweet, that is the majority of his game) from the mid range, which is one of the most aesthetic playing styles there is. He is also a tremendous post player. Had a wonderful dream shake today. Not sure how you can say his game is ugly. I guess the foul baiting is ugly, but then why blame him, and not the league? Again, it's a fraction of his game. Yet it's magnified 1000x on social media.

The refs and the NBA...They;'re the ones that reward it. Put a clamp on it, if it's not good for the game. But, if you do that, you also need to put a clamp on the unmitigated disaster defense has been. The league made it impossible to defend a player, and offense has reigned supreme. Embiid would be valuable on offense and on defense.

[Mavrelous]

People don't like him because of Jokic (they think every player should play like him, be a point center. Jokic is 1 of 1, in NBA histoyr.

Disliking Embiid has nothing to do with Jokic, people disliked Harden before him for same reasons, foul hunting, flopping, and questionable statements and behaviour.

I think Embiid and Giannis have leaped ahead of Jokic in MVP ladder, and are now interchangeable 1 and 2.

[eyeatoma]

People don't like him because of Jokic (they think every player should play like him, be a point center. Jokic is 1 of 1, in NBA histoyr.

Disliking Embiid has nothing to do with Jokic, people disliked Harden before him for same reasons, foul hunting, flopping, and questionable statements and behaviour.

I think Embiid and Giannis have leaped ahead of Jokic in MVP ladder, and are now interchangeable 1 and 2.

I think Embiid has a much more evolved game than Harden. Harden was driving to the rim with the euro, step backs, and foul baiting, that' sit. And great passing.

Embiid, has elite defense, tremendous post player, Jordan/Kobe like mid range, and yes, he gets fouls. Most of which are earned, but yes I do get the foul baiting. But Embiid is a far more diverse offensive player than Harden was, and that is indicative in Harden's current inability to adapt his game to his loss of athleticism.

[Mavrelous]

People don't like him because of Jokic (they think every player should play like him, be a point center. Jokic is 1 of 1, in NBA histoyr.

Disliking Embiid has nothing to do with Jokic, people disliked Harden before him for same reasons, foul hunting, flopping, and questionable statements and behaviour.

I think Embiid and Giannis have leaped ahead of Jokic in MVP ladder, and are now interchangeable 1 and 2.

I think Embiid has a much more evolved game than Harden. Harden was driving to the rim with the euro, step backs, and foul baiting, that' sit. And great passing.

Embiid, has elite defense, tremendous post player, Jordan/Kobe like mid range, and yes, he gets fouls. Most of which are earned, but yes I do get the foul baiting. But Embiid is a far more diverse offensive player than Harden was, and that is indicative in Harden's current inability to adapt his game to his loss of athleticism.

Nobody questions Embiids scoring talent and defensive prowess, you shouldn't question Harden talent either, he was legit the best P&R ball handler of all time in his prime, and top 5 all time isolation scorer.

[eyeatoma]

Disliking Embiid has nothing to do with Jokic, people disliked Harden before him for same reasons, foul hunting, flopping, and questionable statements and behaviour.

I think Embiid and Giannis have leaped ahead of Jokic in MVP ladder, and are now interchangeable 1 and 2.

I think Embiid has a much more evolved game than Harden. Harden was driving to the rim with the euro, step backs, and foul baiting, that' sit. And great passing.

Embiid, has elite defense, tremendous post player, Jordan/Kobe like mid range, and yes, he gets fouls. Most of which are earned, but yes I do get the foul baiting. But Embiid is a far more diverse offensive player than Harden was, and that is indicative in Harden's current inability to adapt his game to his loss of athleticism.

Nobody questions Embiids scoring talent and defensive prowess, you shouldn't question Harden talent either, he was legit the best P&R ball handler of all time in his prime, and top 5 all time isolation scorer.

Plenty of people on this thread question both about Embiid unfortunately.

I feel like Harden might have been more of a system player. Genuinely asking, apart from what I mentioned what else did he have to his game? Isolation scorer, that was his step back, and it was lethal. I guess in that sense he was dominant, and I agree in that time period he will go down as one the best scorers and passers of all time. I just think he was a far more diverse player in OKC. Someone who would move without the ball, take catch and shoot threes, would take mid range shots. One of the reasons they lost against the Warriors in that game 7 when they missed 27 three pointers, is that they didn't take a single mid ranger. It was all analytics, and they lived and died by that.