Dennis Schroder

[Los_29]

The funny thing is Dennis has provided great value for what he is making. The takes that stated he was better than Fred and would make this team better were obviously foolish but that shouldn’t take away from how Dennis has been a solid contributor for us.

The team is doing what I thought it would be doing. We are a bad team and moves need to be made.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The funny thing is Dennis has provided great value for what he is making. The takes that stated he was better than Fred and would make this team better were obviously foolish but that shouldn’t take away from how Dennis has been a solid contributor for us.

The team is doing what I thought it would be doing. We are a bad team and moves need to be made.

We need someone to blame Los. We NEED SOMEONE TO BLAME. Won't anyone think of the children, Los?

Are you looking to tank or rebuild, Los? With this current raptors team?

[2019nbachamps]

I like how we waived PGs with potential like Dowtin and Banton and kept Malachi **** flynn

Let’s be real. None of the 3 players you noted are NBA players. The main issue at hand is Bobby and Masai have failed at talent management. We can blame the revolving door of players who have come through the past 4 years however our management has remained the same. You can’t win in this league with a roster of only 7 players who would be able to find a job on another team.

As for Schroeder, I’d rather have him at his contract than Fred. Yes, Fred is better but not 3-4x better (what he’s making more than Dennis).


We have a bad team and should stop blaming players and Darko. Bobby and Masai are failing.

[WaltFrazier]

Can we discuss why he has the coach's complete trust? he literally torpedoed this game in the 4th, yet our coach continued to ride him come hell or high water. This guy was out of the league, and was commenting on Lebrons IG page to get a spot on the roster less than 2 years ago. Something clicked with this team when he was on the bench during that 3rd run, and the coach brought him back in and stubbornly let him control the ball during crucial situations.

Note: and no, Fred is/was not the answer, Bobby just boxed himself into a corner with this either or situation. Our FO has been really bad at evaluating PGs over the past few seasons, our backup is Malachi Flynn for goodness sakes

You basically answered your own question, who else is there?

That's the biggest fail of last summer. Schroder was a good get, cheap. But then they needed to acquire another vet backup PG to run the ship when Dennis is off. Going into the season hoping Darko could ramp up Flynn was foolish, or incompetent. It seems like Scottie or Pascal running point isn't what they want, so a vet PG or combo guard is badly needed. At least Darko saw the light last night and didn't play Flynn second half. It was the same problem last year, no backup for Fred, until Nick went to Dowtin too late in the year

[YogurtProducer]

Can we discuss why he has the coach's complete trust? he literally torpedoed this game in the 4th, yet our coach continued to ride him come hell or high water. This guy was out of the league, and was commenting on Lebrons IG page to get a spot on the roster less than 2 years ago. Something clicked with this team when he was on the bench during that 3rd run, and the coach brought him back in and stubbornly let him control the ball during crucial situations.

Note: and no, Fred is/was not the answer, Bobby just boxed himself into a corner with this either or situation. Our FO has been really bad at evaluating PGs over the past few seasons, our backup is Malachi Flynn for goodness sakes

You basically answered your own question, who else is there?

That's the biggest fail of last summer. Schroder was a good get, cheap. But then they needed to acquire another vet backup PG to run the ship when Dennis is off. Going into the season hoping Darko could ramp up Flynn was foolish, or incompetent. It seems like Scottie or Pascal running point isn't what they want, so a vet PG or combo guard is badly needed. At least Darko saw the light last night and didn't play Flynn second half. It was the same problem last year, no backup for Fred, until Nick went to Dowtin too late in the year

They said JFL is gonna get run when healthy. Hopefully he can be a spark.

[Jerry Lucas]

Based on how Darko describes Dennis' role in the starting 5, I think the only players who would have a realistic chance of taking a starting spot from Dennis is whoever of Malachi/JFL cements the role of PG2. One of the big things about Dennis' role according to Darko is bringing the ball up the court at the start of possessions to ease workloads (from a fatigue management standpoint) of the jumbo playmakers in the starting 5 (Scottie and Siakam). Have Dennis operate in bench units with Gary and start a lower USG role player PG like Malachi/JFL (just dribble up the court and pass it off to one of the jumbo creators). Gary I don't think has the ability to play well in this role even if Darko tried it.

[Jadoogar]

Dennis is who he always was. The issue is Darko, gary should of been in but he's treating dennis like a pillar for our organization.

how times are you to going to blame the coach until you point the finger where it actually belongs?

[Los_29]

Can we discuss why he has the coach's complete trust? he literally torpedoed this game in the 4th, yet our coach continued to ride him come hell or high water. This guy was out of the league, and was commenting on Lebrons IG page to get a spot on the roster less than 2 years ago. Something clicked with this team when he was on the bench during that 3rd run, and the coach brought him back in and stubbornly let him control the ball during crucial situations.

Note: and no, Fred is/was not the answer, Bobby just boxed himself into a corner with this either or situation. Our FO has been really bad at evaluating PGs over the past few seasons, our backup is Malachi Flynn for goodness sakes

You basically answered your own question, who else is there?

That's the biggest fail of last summer. Schroder was a good get, cheap. But then they needed to acquire another vet backup PG to run the ship when Dennis is off. Going into the season hoping Darko could ramp up Flynn was foolish, or incompetent. It seems like Scottie or Pascal running point isn't what they want, so a vet PG or combo guard is badly needed. At least Darko saw the light last night and didn't play Flynn second half. It was the same problem last year, no backup for Fred, until Nick went to Dowtin too late in the year

Schroder has been a good value pickup. I’m glad the organization didn’t bother adding additional pieces to the team though. We are not a good team and it’s probably best to let this team sink or swim. Poeltl trade was a big blunder and last thing we need is to sacrifice cap flexibility or future assets for a middling team.

In a year where offense is up, we have managed to get worse. It was expected given the loss of Fred but didn’t think our offense would be this bad.

[WaltFrazier]

You basically answered your own question, who else is there?

That's the biggest fail of last summer. Schroder was a good get, cheap. But then they needed to acquire another vet backup PG to run the ship when Dennis is off. Going into the season hoping Darko could ramp up Flynn was foolish, or incompetent. It seems like Scottie or Pascal running point isn't what they want, so a vet PG or combo guard is badly needed. At least Darko saw the light last night and didn't play Flynn second half. It was the same problem last year, no backup for Fred, until Nick went to Dowtin too late in the year

Schroder has been a good value pickup. I’m glad the organization didn’t bother adding additional pieces to the team though. We are not a good team and it’s probably best to let this team sink or swim. Poeltl trade was a big blunder and last thing we need is to sacrifice cap flexibility or future assets for a middling team.

In a year where offense is up, we have managed to get worse. It was expected given the loss of Fred but didn’t think our offense would be this bad.

"Didn't bother" is a good phrase to describe the front office. I don't understand how you wouldn't want one more piece, a combo guard and/or shooter, say, just to make us a little better. There still would have been time to make a bigger move later this season, with Pascal if that's in the cards. I'm sure Garrett Temple is a fine guy, and is doing his best at mentoring, but a younger guy who could actually get on the court and contribute would have been my preference.

As I posted earlier, we needed another guard last year when we had Fred, as well. Without studying every roster, I bet there isn't another team with a good back-up like Dennis starting at PG, and no NBA level back-up. I doubt Flynn would be first PG off the bench for any other team in the league, assuming healthy roster

[Randle McMurphy]

Looks like everyone is finally grasping that the Raptors brought back literally the same team as last year except with a much, much worse PG and without one of their best players in FVV.

One of the most bizarre offseasons I’ve ever seen from a management team that evidently has no plan whatsoever.

Fred was worse and this team would have been much worse with him right now.

And this is a clear sign that you have no idea what you’re watching (or apparently no ability to look at the on/off statistics which painted a very clear picture about what was going on).

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The starting lineup need to be re-adjusted. Like, would we be any worse with worse with Yak and Denis coming off the bench? Probably not. We're top heavy, we need to balance it out and get more shooting. Get the ball moving and out of his hands.

[Los_29]

That's the biggest fail of last summer. Schroder was a good get, cheap. But then they needed to acquire another vet backup PG to run the ship when Dennis is off. Going into the season hoping Darko could ramp up Flynn was foolish, or incompetent. It seems like Scottie or Pascal running point isn't what they want, so a vet PG or combo guard is badly needed. At least Darko saw the light last night and didn't play Flynn second half. It was the same problem last year, no backup for Fred, until Nick went to Dowtin too late in the year

Schroder has been a good value pickup. I’m glad the organization didn’t bother adding additional pieces to the team though. We are not a good team and it’s probably best to let this team sink or swim. Poeltl trade was a big blunder and last thing we need is to sacrifice cap flexibility or future assets for a middling team.

In a year where offense is up, we have managed to get worse. It was expected given the loss of Fred but didn’t think our offense would be this bad.

"Didn't bother" is a good phrase to describe the front office. I don't understand how you wouldn't want one more piece, a combo guard and/or shooter, say, just to make us a little better. There still would have been time to make a bigger move later this season, with Pascal if that's in the cards. I'm sure Garrett Temple is a fine guy, and is doing his best at mentoring, but a younger guy who could actually get on the court and contribute would have been my preference.

As I posted earlier, we needed another guard last year when we had Fred, as well. Without studying every roster, I bet there isn't another team with a good back-up like Dennis starting at PG, and no NBA level back-up. I doubt Flynn would be first PG off the bench for any other team in the league, assuming healthy roster

Younger guys who could get on the court can’t be had for 3 million a year.

We are a bad team. Just let this team fail and make changes. No point in going out and getting a guy like TJ McConnell. lol.

[PushDaRock]

He is who he is. Some posters thought he would suddenly change after 10 years of evidence. He has never been a key cog in a good offense because he can’t shoot well enough and he can’t run the offense at even an average level.

Anyone with half a brain knew this. He is a combo bench guard who can keep your offense afloat and defend pretty decently. He shouldn’t be a starter because he’s not good enough to play off ball and he’s also not good enough to eat up on ball possessions.

…and I actually like Schroder. He just needs to be a lead bench guard. He’s over his head because we have no one else (Trent should start but Schroder is the only NBA level pg on this team). Let Dennis try and float the bench offense to stop us from getting killed there.

He averaged about 30 mpg off the bench on many good teams, he's averaging 31 mpg here with Malachi Flynn as the only other PG on the roster. What is the difference really if he's starting or coming off the bench when his minutes would be the same anyways? At least so far for this season, he's having his best ORTG of his career, so statistically at least he has made some improvements and been better.

The choice is really coming down to whether you want Barnes or Schroder running the bench units which are a clear weakness. I think Schroder's efficiency would likely fall off a cliff if he was running our bench and forced into the primary scorer role.

Trent playing better would force this into more of a discussion, but it's hard to justify getting him more minutes much less starting really with the way he has played.

Because if he’s not starting that means less minutes when he’s on the court with our starters (who he is a bad fit with because of his below average shooting) and more minutes where he’s matched up against other teams bench units (where we need his scoring to carry us). 30 minutes as a starter and 30 minutes off the bench are not the same minutes.

I would also argue Trent would get a boost from playing with the starters instead of heavy minutes with non-passers like Boucher or Precious. He more than anyone needs others to create shots for him. He also is the only player on the team who can take 3’s at a high volume (and is respected by the other team as a movement shooter). This type of spacing is something we desperately need. Even if Trent hasn’t earned it it can’t be any worse than our current starters offense which is creeping up on bottom 5 in the league after another anemic performance tonight.

The main point is this: what have we got to lose by making a change from Dennis to Trent? We are already out of the playoffs as it stands. If it gets worse then great, we up our odds of keeping our pick this year. If it gets better we might actually make the play-in.

Barnes and Siakam are playing 34-35 mpg, the idea is generally that those are the 2 players that draw the most gravity and have the highest usage on the team so staggering their minutes where 1 is always on the floor is why Darko has gone with the Barnes + bench lineups.

I don't even necessarily mind Schroder going to the bench but what exactly do Schroder led line-ups look like? How many minutes are they playing?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

There isn't enough ball in the starting unit. Too many guys need it in their hands...and none of them can shoot.

[PushDaRock]

Schroder has been a good value pickup. I’m glad the organization didn’t bother adding additional pieces to the team though. We are not a good team and it’s probably best to let this team sink or swim. Poeltl trade was a big blunder and last thing we need is to sacrifice cap flexibility or future assets for a middling team.

In a year where offense is up, we have managed to get worse. It was expected given the loss of Fred but didn’t think our offense would be this bad.

"Didn't bother" is a good phrase to describe the front office. I don't understand how you wouldn't want one more piece, a combo guard and/or shooter, say, just to make us a little better. There still would have been time to make a bigger move later this season, with Pascal if that's in the cards. I'm sure Garrett Temple is a fine guy, and is doing his best at mentoring, but a younger guy who could actually get on the court and contribute would have been my preference.

As I posted earlier, we needed another guard last year when we had Fred, as well. Without studying every roster, I bet there isn't another team with a good back-up like Dennis starting at PG, and no NBA level back-up. I doubt Flynn would be first PG off the bench for any other team in the league, assuming healthy roster

Younger guys who could get on the court can’t be had for 3 million a year.

We are a bad team. Just let this team fail and make changes. No point in going out and getting a guy like TJ McConnell. lol.

You have to develop them, it's even more important in the future with the new CBA changes where the gaps in salary are going to be astronomical and you will need cheap productive players to fill out your rosters. That's really the biggest disappointment to me is we were known throughout the league for development and it's fallen off a cliff since the championship.

[Thaddy]

Horrible fit with our starting line up offensively. We need to either replace Poeltl with a stretch big or replace Schroder with a better shooter.

[PushDaRock]

Dennis is 30 years old. Dennis has played on 6 different teams already. That should tell you everything you need to know about Dennis (hint: he sucks).

Why does our coach play him so much? He has some sort of infatuation with him. But he also has no other options on the bench. Masai brought Dennis, a career backup (and not a very good one), in to be our starter, while also not acquiring anyone to back him up.

You just answered your own question why he plays so much, but he's played everywhere he's gone. 31-32 mpg is not much different than the 29-30 mpg he's averaged off the bench on other teams.

[Tha Cynic]

We are in a league where pretty much every single team in the league has at least two guards better than Dennis Schroder. The issue is, the Raptors seem to be content having only one or two mediocre playable guards (FVV/GTJ vs. Schroder/GTJ), which gives those guards the automatic green light to do whatever the heck they want. You pretty much can't reign them back because there's no one to replace them. There are bench players in the league who would give you better production if Masai and Bobby would just go out and acquire them.

Then you have posters in here come in and say they're giving great value. Yeah no **** they're giving great value. They have the ability to put up big stats here. There's a reason why Schroder has been a journeyman player and someone who has had rumblings of highjacking the offense. He can provide great value to a team who has other guards in front of him. On this team, he has had the ability to make himself the decision maker as the default guy who brings the ball up, and really it's hasn't gone well. The offense does not flow well when Schroder is controlling the offense.

Darko needs to realize this.

[ruckus]

We are in a league where pretty much every single team in the league has at least two guards better than Dennis Schroder. The issue is, the Raptors seem to be content having only one or two mediocre playable guards (FVV/GTJ vs. Schroder/GTJ), which gives those guards the automatic green light to do whatever the heck they want. You pretty much can't reign them back because there's no one to replace them. There are bench players in the league who would give you better production if Masai and Bobby would just go out and acquire them.

Then you have posters in here come in and say they're giving great value. Yeah no **** they're giving great value. They have the ability to put up big stats here. There's a reason why Schroder has been a journeyman player and someone who has had rumblings of highjacking the offense. He can provide great value to a team who has other guards in front of him. On this team, he has had the ability to make himself the decision maker as the default guy who brings the ball up, and really it's hasn't gone well. The offense does not flow well when Schroder is controlling the offense.

Darko needs to realize this.

What's funny is that despite the horrible guard rotations, the team is mid. If they had an actual lead guard on this team with Schroder and Flynn as backups, it would probably propel the team up the standings.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

We are in a league where pretty much every single team in the league has at least two guards better than Dennis Schroder. The issue is, the Raptors seem to be content having only one or two mediocre playable guards (FVV/GTJ vs. Schroder/GTJ), which gives those guards the automatic green light to do whatever the heck they want. You pretty much can't reign them back because there's no one to replace them. There are bench players in the league who would give you better production if Masai and Bobby would just go out and acquire them.

Then you have posters in here come in and say they're giving great value. Yeah no **** they're giving great value. They have the ability to put up big stats here. There's a reason why Schroder has been a journeyman player and someone who has had rumblings of highjacking the offense. He can provide great value to a team who has other guards in front of him. On this team, he has had the ability to make himself the decision maker as the default guy who brings the ball up, and really it's hasn't gone well. The offense does not flow well when Schroder is controlling the offense.

Darko needs to realize this.

What's funny is that despite the horrible guard rotations, the team is mid. If they had an actual lead guard on this team with Schroder and Flynn as backups, it would probably propel the team up the standings.

The Bubble team was fixable too, it just needed a center. That only took three years.