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[Badgerlander]

Well, if you get someone to play guard D with the starters then Beasley seems like a great bench scorer type.

My concern with Beasley is that he doesn't look like he can create his own offense. His handles are pretty bad. I think he is strictly a spot up guy. I want someone like a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford type.

Honestly don't know how people can think this after now watching the stark difference between him and a guy like Grayson. You could close out hard on guys like Grayson, Pat, Wes, and completely neutralize them offensively cuz they can't do much of anything off the dribble. Beasley is such a superior movement shooter off the bounce and it's not even close.

Uhm because 82.4% of Beasley’s scoring is assisted. As in someone else creates the open look and passes him the ball and he catches it and shoots it. Beasley isn’t a scorer he is a shooter. Beas has 1 dunk and 20 layups on the season.

[Ron Swanson]

My concern with Beasley is that he doesn't look like he can create his own offense. His handles are pretty bad. I think he is strictly a spot up guy. I want someone like a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford type.

Honestly don't know how people can think this after now watching the stark difference between him and a guy like Grayson. You could close out hard on guys like Grayson, Pat, Wes, and completely neutralize them offensively cuz they can't do much of anything off the dribble. Beasley is such a superior movement shooter off the bounce and it's not even close.

Uhm because 82.4% of Beasley’s scoring is assisted. As in someone else creates the open look and passes him the ball and he catches it and shoots it. Beasley isn’t a scorer he is a shooter. Beas has 1 dunk and 20 layups on the season.

Percentage of assisted baskets is not equivalent to some lack of shot creation. He's finally been put into his ideal role on offense because he's playing with Giannis, Dame, and Khris. Of course he's not taking the ball out of those guys' hands. But like, Grayson, Donte, and Pat were never creating these kinds of looks with any consistency:

Dude's also been awesome at the pump-fake, step-back/side-step 3 that's become so important now.

[Willie Colon]

15/12/4 for the undrafted Orlando Robinson last night. 6' 10", 23 years old, good hustle and can hit the 3. How tf does Miami keep finding these guys

[Shaffty]

15/12/4 for the undrafted Orlando Robinson last night. 6' 10", 23 years old, good hustle and can hit the 3. How tf does Miami keep finding these guys

they dont find them, they make them.

[Ron Swanson]

FWIW, Max Strus seems to have broken the trend and is doing pretty awesome away from Miami, so it's probably a bit of both.

[Profound23]

FWIW, Max Strus seems to have broken the trend and is doing pretty awesome away from Miami, so it's probably a bit of both.

Yep, it's the Packer way.

Have a GM who can find the talent and have a coach who can help that talent meet his potential.

[BUCKnation]

I just checked on Griff’s son’s stats this year and he is having a terrible Joe Alexander sophomore season. Wow.

Looks like Jalen Johnson space jammed him.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Here’s the argument to move Pat -
3P% and 3PA per game in his seasons with the Bucks:
33% on 3attempts
33 on 2.5
37 on 4
40 on 6
34 on 5
34 on 3
He’s also a 30 year old role player and role players who rely on their athleticism which Pat does for everything except shooting, generally don’t age well. To my eyes, he looks awful on D the past two seasons and he wasn’t great before.

The argument to keep him is that he has shot better in the playoffs four out of the five years and the last two years it was on five attempts per game.

pats arcing into just a chemistry guy now..... somewhere between where he was and the udonis haslem role for us. each year hes with us it will get worse but on a minimum deal hes gonna play here until dame and giannis hang em up

[Ron Swanson]

Nah, Pat's fine. When you look at signs of decline it's much more important to look at 2PT% and he's still above his career average there (58%) and finishing at the rim just fine (70%). He's one of the few guys I always trust to clutch-up and knock down open shots when the playoffs roll around, aka what we complain about every Miami role-player being able to do.

[raferfenix]

It just takes one team to value Bobby highly to make a lot else possible.

Not sure what that means in practice. But a team in search of a good vibes guy fan favorite could come into play even aside from how he'd put up bigger stats with more opportunity.

Bucks would not trade him cheaply I don't think. That said if we want to make a move he's probably our best asset we'd be considering.

[Shaffty]

FWIW, Max Strus seems to have broken the trend and is doing pretty awesome away from Miami, so it's probably a bit of both.

he might be the exception that proves the rule

[yannisk]

Pat is a mediocre/bad defender, very good rebounder, takes difficult 3s and usually does not have great efficiency but has given us great games in the playoffs, an underrated aspect of his game is that he gives Giannis some of the best screens

I would not be against trading him for a better defender sg/sf but he is not a player i cannot wait to leave. At least he has shown that he can have big games in the playoffs. Bobby on the other hand keeps under-performing in the playoffs

[KendallMarshall]

Nah, Pat's fine. When you look at signs of decline it's much more important to look at 2PT% and he's still above his career average there (58%) and finishing at the rim just fine (70%). He's one of the few guys I always trust to clutch-up and knock down open shots when the playoffs roll around, aka what we complain about every Miami role-player being able to do.

Yeah, the thing that nobody talks about with connaughton is he's a surprisingly awesome finisher at the rim.

[DingleJerry]

I have no real beef with Pat. Fine backup role player and has shown he can hang in the playoffs. However, he still has two years left on the deal, is into his early 30s now and has shown clear decline the last two years. Having two years left on the deal with him already declining isn't ideal. Add in that he and Bobby are only two legit contracts they'd consider trading he has to be on the table and an option to go out for the right deal. You're better to move on now if you get some value/youth rather than down the line when he might be pure salary filler and viewed as a negative.

[crkone]

When Pat is injured, it really throws his whole game off.

[soxperry]

Remember when the Bulls signed Jabari to that offer sheet and we let him walk for nothing while insinuating that its important to establish good relationships with other teams?

Its time to cash that in for Caruso.

[Badgerlander]

Honestly don't know how people can think this after now watching the stark difference between him and a guy like Grayson. You could close out hard on guys like Grayson, Pat, Wes, and completely neutralize them offensively cuz they can't do much of anything off the dribble. Beasley is such a superior movement shooter off the bounce and it's not even close.

Uhm because 82.4% of Beasley’s scoring is assisted. As in someone else creates the open look and passes him the ball and he catches it and shoots it. Beasley isn’t a scorer he is a shooter. Beas has 1 dunk and 20 layups on the season.

Percentage of assisted baskets is not equivalent to some lack of shot creation. He's finally been put into his ideal role on offense because he's playing with Giannis, Dame, and Khris. Of course he's not taking the ball out of those guys' hands. But like, Grayson, Donte, and Pat were never creating these kinds of looks with any consistency:

Spoiler:

Dude's also been awesome at the pump-fake, step-back/side-step 3 that's become so important now.

And yet I remain skeptical.

[Be Here Now]

Bobby & Pat for Powell & PJ?

PJ has more value to us because he can coach the D rather than Grief and Powell would be a very solid 2 guard or 6th man for us.

[theFireBlanket]

Bobby & Pat for Powell & PJ?

PJ has more value to us because he can coach the D rather than Grief and Powell would be a very solid 2 guard or 6th man for us.

Not sure about Pat or Powell.

Bobby for PJ, yes. Then call up Budenholzer & ask if he's open to returning with Tucker as his defensive lead.

[MickeyDavis]

PJ as an assistant coach fine. He's cooked on the court. He's not even in the rotation. Last 6 games he's played 7,5,0,0 0,0. Not injured. And will get $11.5 million next year at 39. Pass.