clyde21 wrote:FarBeyondDriven wrote:clyde21 wrote:
what does this even mean? sounds like a contradiction. either you watch the tape or don't, unless you talking about HS tape which should only be treated as a prior data point and nothing else once these guys get to the NCAA.
if you feel comfortable taking a guy like Bradshaw top 10 based on his HS tape that's fine, just don't be surprised if a lot of people disagree with that.
re: the rest of your post...you're just reverse engineering back from the idea that this is a good class, without actually having any real proof that this is a good class, you're overexaggerating players, even players that have yet to step foot on the court, even players that have played (like Mara) and have been largely bad.
on the international point, still don't see the evidence that this is a great intl class...Mara has been bad, Sarr has been mediocre in the NBL so far, Almansa just had a good game recently in GLI but otherwise he hasn't been good, Risacher had a brutal summer and just starting to play a bit better...you talk about these guys being studs but there is still not much proof that this is actually the case.
i am open to this class being good, i want it to be good, just don't see anything behind the claim right now. who's the best player in the class? no one even knows. take that best player, how high would he go in last year's class? #4 or #5 at best if that? if the best player in this class is the 5th best player in another class...it's not a good class.
no you don't. You and your ilk say this but that would mean you're wrong and you're getting your opinions from terrible sources. I'm more fighting the narrative that it's a weak class rather than it's necessary good. You and your ilk are the ones who have been claiming it's weak for over a year now based on bad takes from guys like Sam Vecenie and there not being an elite domestic player that has separated himself at the top.
The burden is on you to back that up and all I've seen are attempts to paint bad statistics as proof that they're not good prospects. Conveniently forgetting the flashes of huge games/performances these guys have had over the last year. There's no substance to your argument beyond that. No actual discussions about physical traits, athleticism, skill levels, age or international/all-star performances against and in comparison to their peers.
Let's take Sarr for instance. The kid absolutely dominated international play against his peers winning Player of the Tournament. Why are his NBL numbers more important than those? Was this G-League performance not enough to educate you on his game?
he's pretty much Mobley 2.0. How is this lost on someone who evaluates NBA prospects as a hobby?
If the best NBA prospect in this class (it's obviously Sarr btw) goes #4 in most drafts, and then another 5-6 guys from this class (Castle, Holland, Collier, Walter, Almansa, Carrington, etc) would go anywhere from 5-14 in most drafts since 2020, doesn't that mean it's stronger than you think? Or are you laughably claiming none of those players would go 5-14 in those draft classes? I'm actually guessing you areWhich means there's really no hope for you and I should stop caring about your "weak draft" assertions.
"over exaggerating" wtf does this even mean? So, I'm capable of seeing physical/athletic traits and skills that translate to the NBA without needing to worry about how they perform in the G-League, NBL or competing for minutes on all-star squads at Kentucky or Duke? The horror. I should put all the emphasis on stats based on inconsistent usage, poorly constructed rosters like you and bonafide AAU scrimmages. Surely that will paint a better picture
Filipowski and Edey are putting up monster stats. Does that make either better pro prospects than Embiid who didn't?
why are you linking me to youtube highlights of Sarr? do you know who you're talking to? lol
and I am not sure what your argument is outside "i watched these guys when they were 16 and I'm already sold, anything they do now is irrelevant"...which is a ridiculous take. current data is way more important than HS data. Dariq Whitehead was my favorite guy coming out HS last year...guess what? after he didn't play as well as expected at Duke that analysis had to be adjusted accordingly. doesn't mean priors like HS can't be useless but to see the current play doesnt matter because "HeRe Is YoUTuBe HiGLiGht ViDeO" from two years ago is hilariously dumb, sorry.
right, because I have ever said anything remotely close to this
you're so disingenuous it's pathetic. Video of U19 was from 5 months ago and it's against the best in the world for his age range.
He's already got enough tape since then to show how elite he is.
Nothing Mobley did in his freshmen year is any more impressive so why was Mobley hyped and considered elite, despite "not doing it against pros!!!!" but Sarr isn't. Scratch that. I'm really not interested in your awful opinions any longer.
