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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#921 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 1:07 pm

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I like Isaac, and if the Magic were having any other sort of season he might be up for grabs.

Right now, he plays a good role for them and he is expiring so no consequence for keeping him (aside from if he bolts in FA).


Was it you that posted about Isaac before? I thought I had squashed that one. :lol: Isaac is ALWAYS hurt plus didn't have an full Achilles tear? I mean maybe a Sims and SRP to have Isaac backup Randle. I could see something like that.

Only way Id take a flyer on him would be at a huge discount. Like Fournier and a 2nd rounder....something like that. He's very high risk high reward territory.


He is a great guy to take a flyer on maybe next year for MLE or MMLE
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#922 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 1:11 pm

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He may be very good, but we should not have both he and Brunson.

Right but imo that would be a way better alternative than Donovan Mitchell and Brunson. We address two major weaknesses that Spida wouldn't, passing/assists and backcourt size.


I would rather trade for Donovan than LaMello. Lamello is not a better defender than Donovan. He is not cheaper than Donovan. He might be more injury-prone than Zion.

And I like LaMello.


Only thing I will say is that Mitchell is going to get his next max soon which will make him a "bad contract" in two years along the lines of Lavine.
Still though, I like Mitchell in the role of 2 moreso than Melo or Brunson
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#923 » by RHODEY » Fri Dec 8, 2023 3:24 pm

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He may be very good, but we should not have both he and Brunson.

Right but imo that would be a way better alternative than Donovan Mitchell and Brunson. We address two major weaknesses that Spida wouldn't, passing/assists and backcourt size.


I would rather trade for Donovan than LaMello. Lamello is not a better defender than Donovan. He is not cheaper than Donovan. He might be more injury-prone than Zion.

And I like LaMello.


So you think the 6'2" Mitchell is that much of a better defender to forgo - 6 inches in height and Elite Playmaking? Part of defense is heart I think potentially Lamelo could beat Mitchell there too.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#924 » by RHODEY » Fri Dec 8, 2023 3:26 pm

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Was it you that posted about Isaac before? I thought I had squashed that one. :lol: Isaac is ALWAYS hurt plus didn't have an full Achilles tear? I mean maybe a Sims and SRP to have Isaac backup Randle. I could see something like that.

Only way Id take a flyer on him would be at a huge discount. Like Fournier and a 2nd rounder....something like that. He's very high risk high reward territory.


He is a great guy to take a flyer on maybe next year for MLE or MMLE


Problem is if healthy he'll command waaay more than that. And if not healthy then he's worthless,
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#925 » by ScienceOfLosing » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:30 pm

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nykballa2k4 wrote:It's a numbers game.
Brunson(starter), DD (bench), Hart (bench), Randle (starter)
Those guys are locked in. If we get a starting wing (I don't see a C upgrade on the horizon), then we only have one slot for RJ, Grimes, and IQ (whoever is left after the trade).


Cam starting for finals bound Lakers. There is our wing, literally.

And Obi starting at the 3 for finals bound Indiana. (Where Thibs would NEVER play him.)

Meanwhile we are working on a way to start a midget backcourt.

We suck!


Not exactly imo but it is frustrating being MID, especially seeing other coaches using our ex players better (to their strengths) and passing on so much talent every draft, either by trading picks or missing on them.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#926 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:36 pm

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RHODEY wrote:Only way Id take a flyer on him would be at a huge discount. Like Fournier and a 2nd rounder....something like that. He's very high risk high reward territory.


He is a great guy to take a flyer on maybe next year for MLE or MMLE


Problem is if healthy he'll command waaay more than that. And if not healthy then he's worthless,

I think teams will have hesitation with his injury history.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#927 » by Richard4444 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:51 pm

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RHODEY wrote:Right but imo that would be a way better alternative than Donovan Mitchell and Brunson. We address two major weaknesses that Spida wouldn't, passing/assists and backcourt size.


I would rather trade for Donovan than LaMello. Lamello is not a better defender than Donovan. He is not cheaper than Donovan. He might be more injury-prone than Zion.

And I like LaMello.


So you think the 6'2" Mitchell is that much of a better defender to forgo - 6 inches in height and Elite Playmaking? Part of defense is heart I think potentially Lamelo could beat Mitchell there too.


LaMelo might be a little better defender than Donovan because of his height. However, the lack of availability makes LaMelo a worse option than Donovan for the same price tag.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#929 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:56 pm

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Cam starting for finals bound Lakers. There is our wing, literally.

And Obi starting at the 3 for finals bound Indiana. (Where Thibs would NEVER play him.)

Meanwhile we are working on a way to start a midget backcourt.

We suck!


Not exactly imo but it is frustrating being MID, especially seeing other coaches using our ex players better (to their strengths) and passing on so much talent every draft, either by trading picks or missing on them.


rather be "Mid" than picking 8th...
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#930 » by Janquinn87 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:30 pm

If the make a trade only 6'7 and 6'8 wings needed ,like Hunter on the hawks.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#931 » by sol537 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:56 pm

Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#932 » by cgf » Fri Dec 8, 2023 6:46 pm

Janquinn87 wrote:If the make a trade only 6'7 and 6'8 wings needed ,like Hunter on the hawks.


Hunter has been regressing for the Hawks. I'd rather go after a vet we could bank on like Finney-Smith or Barnes if we wanted to bolster our depth for the playoff run...before an eventual consolidation trade this summer.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#933 » by 8516knicks » Fri Dec 8, 2023 6:47 pm

"LaMelo might be a little better defender than LaMelo because of his height. However, his lack of availability makes him a worse option than Donovan for the same price tag." Huh? :swami:
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#934 » by Richard4444 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 7:40 pm

8516knicks wrote:"LaMelo might be a little better defender than LaMelo because of his height. However, his lack of availability makes him a worse option than Donovan for the same price tag." Huh? :swami:


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LaMelo might be a little better defender than Donovan because of his height. However, the lack of availability makes LaMelo a worse option than Donovan for the same price tag
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#935 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:15 pm

sol537 wrote:Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...

Zion and Gallo's per-year average games played COMBINED doesn't hit 82 IMO
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#936 » by sol537 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:36 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
sol537 wrote:Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...

Zion and Gallo's per-year average games played COMBINED doesn't hit 82 IMO


You don't get those guys for "cheap" if they were playing 82 games every season
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#937 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:15 pm

sol537 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
sol537 wrote:Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...

Zion and Gallo's per-year average games played COMBINED doesn't hit 82 IMO


You don't get those guys for "cheap" if they were playing 82 games every season

You only have 2 PF on the roster, one is a fat glass, the other is Italian porcelain.
Need at least on sturdy player in there...
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#938 » by Polk377 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:40 pm

sol537 wrote:Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...

This team gives up 130 points per game. Awful
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#939 » by nyk2017 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:21 pm

Lamello Ball isn't going to be traded. He is in an almost identical situation as Fox from Sacramento a few years ago. The hornets will be building around him not trading him.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#940 » by Meat » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:30 pm

sol537 wrote:Hypothetically:

1) Randle + multiple picks for Zion
2) IQ + Grimes + Fournier + four picks for Spida
3) Two 2nds for Gallinari

Mitch / iHart
Zion / Gallo
RJ / Hart
Spida / DDV
Brunson / McBride (bringing over Rokas)

Can the above team grow into a contender if we add more young 3&D guys to the mix over time? We'd be without picks for several years...

that really feels like the direction they're going

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