Bears 2023 thread V

[Jeffster81]

Robbie Gould announced his retirement. Damn good kicker and Bear.

He had a long career and a very good one. One of the best of his generation.

I want the Bears to do that 1 day thing with him and let him official retire as a Bear.

[fleet]

the PFF guys have been talking about Nabors very highly. Odunze and Nabors in non-MHJ drafts are hyped WR1s. If the Bears wanted to go receiver, between those two and Bowers, more than fine.

So, Willams concerns. The fumbles, and perhaps at his size pressure up the middle causing him to bail, as well as questions about holding the ball. The good news is that his arm, vision and quick release can mitigate some of those concerns. Drake Maye’s stature and discipline after dealing with Justin’s issues may be more comfortable and stable than Williams. Balance all that against Williams’ insane aggression and ability is an interesting debate in front of Chicago. A floor of Kyler Murray is also comforting. We need to know what Caleb Willaims hand size is. If his hands are huge like Russell Wilson or not.

What positions do the Bears draft? Short of trading down for more picks, I think you go QB-receiver instead of QB- left tackle. The Bears can trade Fields for a pick that turns into a left tackle in a strong OT draft. Or, a center. Then the offense all set up to grow together. If they end up leaving pass rusher as a need after the draft, they can throw money at Danielle Hunter.

[Bulls69]

I would also take Daniels, Nix, or Penix over Fields. Maybe McCarthy.

Thank goodness you’re not making decisions for the Bears


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Ok guy, feel free to pay Fields next year to be an average QB (at best). I'd rather take a chance on an exciting rookie on a rookie salary for the next 5 years.

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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[DuckIII]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

[biggestbullsfan]

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[biggestbullsfan]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

I’m a big Fields guy and I totally agree. I think he does enough for us to use our high picks to stack the team rather than replace him. The main issue I’m seeing is the contract clock which I can agree with. Since at min you’re paying Fields 22+ million a year. So if the case is strictly monetary, then I can justify the move somewhat. But if you whiff on the QB and Fields balls out elsewhere, then that brings the whole organization back into question.

[JockItch43]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

Very sound logic… I’ve been saying this. Grab MHJ with the Carolina pick, in a small trade down if the opportunity presents itself or just take him with wherever the pick lands. Use our 1st to draft a QB or trade down to get a guy like Penix, who I believe would excel with weapons like Moore and MHJ in addition Kmet and an improved o-line.

[Almost Retired]

Poles has a difficult decision. It would be an easier one if Fields either looks good in the remaining games or completely craps the bed. Fields being "maybe" good enough would create a dilemma. If Poles uses #1 for a QB and that pick flops or Fields does better elsewhere than our QB pick then Poles puts his own job in jeopardy. Poles made the deal of the decade so far in Trading #1 last year for #1 this year, Moore and Wright. I can only imagine the haul he could get for the #1 this year. It's up to Fields. Show us enough to keep you and Poles will be able to add a lot of talent on both sides of the ball trading down.

[fleet]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

All we have to do is lose 4 of 5 and there’s an even chance we will get the third pick for Harrison. Assuming the Cardinals win again. But the Cardinals have a hard schedule

[Dresden]

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Ok guy, feel free to pay Fields next year to be an average QB (at best). I'd rather take a chance on an exciting rookie on a rookie salary for the next 5 years.

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

[Dresden]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

Very sound logic… I’ve been saying this. Grab MHJ with the Carolina pick, in a small trade down if the opportunity presents itself or just take him with wherever the pick lands. Use our 1st to draft a QB or trade down to get a guy like Penix, who I believe would excel with weapons like Moore and MHJ in addition Kmet and an improved o-line.

I think it's the other way around- you draft Caleb or Maye first, and they will make all our other receivers that much better. And you can take a WR or Bowers with the Bears pick. Our receiving corp will then be top notch, even without MHJ. I think there's a big enough difference between the first two QB's and all the rest to make getting one of those top 2 a priority over drafting MHJ.

[Peelboy]

I'm torn, really really love the idea of MHJ on the Bears with Fields, DJ, Kmet, Roschon, and an O-line with Wright/Davis/Jenkins, a new C, and either Braxton or one of the tackles. The only unfortunate thing is that unless AZ goes on a run it seems unlikely that you can get MHJ AND a trade down (unless Pats or whoever has #2 is dying to move up). Or unless AZ decides they want to move on from Kyler, but that seems unlikely as well.

The thing that gets me is that when you read what actual scouts say, it seems like there's a pretty strong consensus (and has been for multiple years) that Williams is a top tier QB prospect, one of the better ones to come out in years ("generational" is a hard word but it seems like he'd easily be the top QB prospect in any of the past couple drafts). And the "clock reset" aspect is appealing, plus, if you can't get MHJ AND a draft haul, it's less appealing to pass on him.

I wonder if an alternative would be:
- Trade Fields to Pittsburgh for George Pickens. They have a strong D, good run game, and other WRs like Diontae Johnson. Pickens, while not MHJ, is a very good young WR and paired across from DJ would make a great duo.
- Draft Caleb #1
- Either draft OL with the other FRP or if someone wants one of the other QBs, trade down and stack more picks.

Then focus FA on DL and C (or draft one of the top Cs in the 3d round).

Caleb/DJ/Pickens/Scott/Kmet/Roschon, an O line of Wright-David-C(Van Pran?)-Teven-Fashanu/Alt is a pretty good scenario. And you get the improved abaility to go get a top tier coach (I like the idea of Harbaugh, but whoever would best develop Caleb). Dropping arguably the best QB to come out in say 5 years with a strong line and top tier skill position guys is a very strong recipe for long-term success. And use FA mainly to build the D.

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Ok guy, feel free to pay Fields next year to be an average QB (at best). I'd rather take a chance on an exciting rookie on a rookie salary for the next 5 years.

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.

Because Fields will be a more expensive maybe. Maye and Williams can’t be any worse than what we have seen in Chicago already

[Peelboy]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

All we have to do is lose 4 of 5 and there’s an even chance we will get the third pick for Harrison. Assuming the Cardinals win again. But the Cardinals have a hard schedule

This is really the problem. Not only are the Bears playing better and facing a light schedule, the Cards have a really rough schedule and seem likely to lose out (their best chance of a win is probably the bears).

[jnrjr79]

Ok guy, feel free to pay Fields next year to be an average QB (at best). I'd rather take a chance on an exciting rookie on a rookie salary for the next 5 years.

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Not really. It’s just acknowledging that even when using the #1 pick, maybe only half of QBs drafted turn into decent starters.

[biggestbullsfan]

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[HearshotKDS]

As an outsider looking in, I would base the earliest part of the draft around being sure to end up with Marvin Harrison, Jr. Whether it’s a small trade down or just taking him.

You guys obviously know your team way better than I do, but to me Fields has shown enough base talent that when combined with Harrison’s potential to be the best target in football, there’s no way I’d go QB again at the very top of this draft. If you want a Fields replacement use the second high draft pick. None of these guys are so clearly better relative to each other that you take one at the expense of being able to draft Harrison.

Just my 2 cents.

Im a "Fields probably isnt it" guy but I also believe the NFL drastically overinflates the value of 1st overall, and that getting a package like the Bears did from CAR is almost always going to be better for a franchise than whatever you pick with the #1 overall. I am very intrigued by the possibility of trading down with someone like LV for an extra pick or 2 and MAxx Crosby and then taking someone like Jayden Daniels with the second first round pick. IM also still holding out hope that the Bears lose out and draft #3 as a result with an easy "run to the podium and scream MHJ into the mic" result there, but i realize that the odds of that happening are dropping every week =/

[HearshotKDS]

Had to get this off my chest - big LOL @ the fans who think we need to spend a first round pick to replace this guy - https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/braxton-jones/60092

WHile at the same time heralding this guy as the second coming - https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/darnell-wright/98480

Without trying to sound too condescending the "draft a LT in the first" opinion to me is like wearing a name tag saying "I dont understand what im watching".

Rookie tackles have a notoriously hard learning curve in the NFL, you gonna draft ALt or Latham and hes going to give up 8 sacks next year like Wright is on pace to do. Smart money is draft a swing tackle in the 3rd to replace Borom (who has been awful) and use the other FRP on a much more pressing position, like the DE across from Sweat, or the free chicken dinner lining up across from Johnson, or my preference get a stud WR that has a good chance to develop into a #1 guy like obviously MHJ but also Naber, Odunze or distant 4th in my opinion Keon Coleman.

Also as much as I like Van Pran I think C is another huge learning curve position and would prefer a good vet, as your C or OT going through their NFL learning curve has a good chance to get your QB killed unlike most other positions. Hoping Bears can get either WIlliams, Cushenberry, or Biadasz - you can get the latter 2 for less than you save by cutting Whitehair.

[Almost Retired]

Had to get this off my chest - big LOL @ the fans who think we need to spend a first round pick to replace this guy - https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/braxton-jones/60092

WHile at the same time heralding this guy as the second coming - https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/darnell-wright/98480

Without trying to sound too condescending the "draft a LT in the first" opinion to me is like wearing a name tag saying "I dont understand what im watching".

Rookie tackles have a notoriously hard learning curve in the NFL, you gonna draft ALt or Latham and hes going to give up 8 sacks next year like Wright is on pace to do. Smart money is draft a swing tackle in the 3rd to replace Borom (who has been awful) and use the other FRP on a much more pressing position, like the DE across from Sweat, or the free chicken dinner lining up across from Johnson, or my preference get a stud WR that has a good chance to develop into a #1 guy like obviously MHJ but also Naber, Odunze or distant 4th in my opinion Keon Coleman.

Also as much as I like Van Pran I think C is another huge learning curve position and would prefer a good vet, as your C or OT going through their NFL learning curve has a good chance to get your QB killed unlike most other positions. Hoping Bears can get either WIlliams, Cushenberry, or Biadasz - you can get the latter 2 for less than you save by cutting Whitehair.

Those are some good points. A veteran center on a 2 year deal might be a good idea. But I'd still draft a C with one of our 3rd or 4th round picks. Let them develop under a Vet. I really like Bryce Foster from Texas A&M. He's too raw to start in year 1, but would be worth developing for the long term. He is absolutely huge at 6'5" and 330 lbs. and a pretty decent athlete. He 's run a sub 5 second 40. He turn 21 years old next week.

[Dresden]

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Not really. It’s just acknowledging that even when using the #1 pick, maybe only half of QBs drafted turn into decent starters.

The odds are much higher for Caleb or Maye though. They are being touted as some of the best prospects since Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck. If this was last year, I'd agree, and in fact Poles did too, and decided not to take a QB then.

The other side of the equation is that IMO, Justin Fields is not a "Maybe" anymore. We've seen enough of him to know he's not likely ever going to be "the guy". So you can't say "well, drafting a QB is a maybe, keeping Fields is a maybe, so why not just stay with what we have". that seems to be the gist of what is being argued.