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Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move

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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#41 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 8, 2023 11:51 am

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DaGawd wrote:this is pretty much it, there’s no real sensible move to be made right now. sure the knicks def have to get another legit star player next to brunson hopefully sooner than later, but right now that guy isn’t available, i wish kenny and chuck would’ve said who they think that guy is they think the knicks should trade for that’s available instead of just making blanket declarations about the knicks needing to make a move when there isn’t one to make right now



Exactly.

People can sit and say Knicks need to go trade for a star, but they can't even name a target. Zach LaVine isn't what this roster needs, and DeRozan is a terrible fit. Who else is available? It's only December...no one is trying to blow up their season yet. Be patient.

The team is three games back from the #1 seed in the East. Philly is like a half game ahead of the Knicks. Last night in the 2nd half vs MIL sucked balls yeah, but it's irrelevant, the team isn't going to shoot that badly every night. The Knicks are solid on both ends. That's what matters.

The team needs to continue to get better as a group, which they are when you consider how the defense looked last year compared to today, while the front office does their due diligence behind the scenes.


It depends on how you really want to view it. I could say that for his 3 year tenure here, Rose has only made one really good move and that is signing Brunson. Granted, Brunson was a really really good move and you gotta give credit for it. However, he really hasn't done anything else. On top of that, during his tenure here, all-star and superstar players were either rumored to be available or really got moved: Haliburton, Mitchell, Bridges,KAT, SGA. In contrast to past regimes, Rose has had a full war chest to trade for one but he failed repeatedly. He is a scared type guy that is mainly interested in keeping his job and not making a mistake that could cost him his job. It is not the type of personality that wins in the NBA. People are starting to sense that and it is why more people are getting on his back and are starting to get impatient. Most great teams either draft and develop well or they make a really bold move at some point. I can't think of a recent title contending team that didn't do either and still ended up contending. Rose has shown ineptitude in drafting. And his personality seems to prohibit him from making a bold move.



The criticism is warranted, i totally get it. but i was moreso thinking that just taking a step back, the team is not in a bad position right now, roster wise and asset wise. Fournier's contract is a nice cap filler to use in a trade, the team has picks to cash in and the roster has young assets...so despite the missteps, the front office is actually prepared when opportunity inevitably comes. I just don't see anything out there right now that is worth it.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#42 » by NowWHYcee7 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 12:01 pm

We do need to do something. Haliburton is looking like the next Magic Johnson. Orlando is coming. We still aren’t better than Boston. Miami isn’t going to flounder for much longer, you know they are gonna make something happen. We already know we can’t beat Milwaukee. It doesn’t mean we have to trade for anyone….but Jalen isn’t that young he’s 27. The clock is ticking.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#43 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 8, 2023 12:37 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:We do need to do something. Haliburton is looking like the next Magic Johnson. Orlando is coming. We still aren’t better than Boston. Miami isn’t going to flounder for much longer, you know they are gonna make something happen. We already know we can’t beat Milwaukee. It doesn’t mean we have to trade for anyone….but Jalen isn’t that young he’s 27. The clock is ticking.


Yeah. We need to stop skipping the draft. Thibs also needs to stop acting like we have a title contender and it's game 7 for 82 nights a year!!! We have 15 guys on the roster!! We play 9. No one else's gets to sniff the court!!! It's ridiculous. The FA/trade market has not been much to do anything with. Until that changes we could have some young draft stud we hit on coming up with the team. No. We trade picks for vets and cap space instead and play half the roster all year for no reason.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#44 » by duetta » Fri Dec 8, 2023 1:34 pm

I agree. A major move. Fire the coach. He's taken us as far as he can with his system.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#45 » by rajajackal » Fri Dec 8, 2023 2:27 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I've said this since training camp: the roster needs to add another 3/4 that can space and rebound. But otherwise, this seems like a typical overreaction from the usual pundits whose opinions age like 3 month old 2% milk and change like the wind.

The Knicks are the 11th best offensive club in the league with the 8th ranked defense. That isn't mid, it's pretty damn good.

RJ shaking off whatever is bothering him and getting back to his form earlier this season will go a long way imo. Also, Knicks will probably be buyers during the buyout market scramble. Til then, if there isn't a sensible move out there to be made, and I don't see one right now (hard pass on any of Chicago's players), staying patient and continuing to build with this group is the right call.

the problem is that if rj starts playing how he did to start the season again randle will get upset and go back to being trash. there's no winning with those 2
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#46 » by iLLmatic860 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 3:02 pm

duetta wrote:I agree. A major move. Fire the coach. He's taken us as far as he can with his system.

Who would you replace him with?

I think Bud can implement a modern offense
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#47 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 8, 2023 3:43 pm

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duetta wrote:I agree. A major move. Fire the coach. He's taken us as far as he can with his system.

Who would you replace him with?

I think Bud can implement a modern offense


He's an option. This will be the name we hear from now on actually. Great. KTH2o is going to be screaming this name for the rest of the year! :lol:
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#48 » by KOA » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:20 pm

Last time I checked, basketball is a team game that is played 5 vs 5.
Donovan Mitchell, despite being "the best player on the court", lost in 5 games to the Knicks last year.

Click bait...

The Knicks simply don't have another body to put other today if Randle isn't playing well.
A Dorian Finney-Smith type of role-player would work wonders in improving the roster. Maybe they get lucky and can get someone younger like Trey Murphy or Herb Jones from NO.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#49 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:24 pm

Nobody we trade for is going to elevate this team to a title contender anyway. It'd be doing a trade just to make a trade.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#50 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:25 pm

Brunson > Spida IDGAF
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#51 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:36 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:Oh gimme a **** break. This thread is reactionary BS. We're 11th in offense, 8th in defense, 7th in SRS. That's not a "mid" team. We lost to a good team last night and we've beaten good teams this season. We have a legitimate star in brunson who still doesn't get the respect he deserves. It's a good roster and there's still room for improvement.




We're 3-8 vs teams .500 or above that is the worst record against those teams among the top 11 eastern teams. We've only beaten 1 good team in the Heat and they were missing a starter and the starters replacement. This team stinks against good teams.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#52 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:41 pm

I think most of you are bored and just want a trade to have something to talk about and don't care whether or not it makes the team better.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#53 » by RHODEY » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:43 pm

KOA wrote:Last time I checked, basketball is a team game that is played 5 vs 5.
Donovan Mitchell, despite being "the best player on the court", lost in 5 games to the Knicks last year.

Click bait...

The Knicks simply don't have another body to put other today if Randle isn't playing well.
A Dorian Finney-Smith type of role-player would work wonders in improving the roster. Maybe they get lucky and can get someone younger like Trey Murphy or Herb Jones from NO.


"My Sauces" thinks that since getting a true blue chipper is unrealistic, the only possibly solution would be to play 5 man bball like that last Championship Pistons team.....and he might be right.

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Post#54 » by Fat Kat » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:44 pm

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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#55 » by Jeffrey » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:45 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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Clyde Frazier wrote:Oh gimme a **** break. This thread is reactionary BS. We're 11th in offense, 8th in defense, 7th in SRS. That's not a "mid" team. We lost to a good team last night and we've beaten good teams this season. We have a legitimate star in brunson who still doesn't get the respect he deserves. It's a good roster and there's still room for improvement.

On the surface that sounds and looks great…when you dig a little deeper and watch the games, the team just isn't a contender, the team has peaked & is on a treadmill. Is what it is.

Another regime wasting 4 years of our lives. Yay.


4th seed and lots of assets is not a bad place to be laying in wait...


It's really not considering that we haven't had consistency in a long time. The next step for the Knicks is to get another player alongside Brunson and Randle. I'm hoping for a 1st or 2nd option to push Randle down to no.3.
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Post#56 » by Woodsanity » Fri Dec 8, 2023 4:57 pm

Fat Kat wrote:From a media personality that actually watches basketball

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Randle is playing better now, still needs to prove it in the playoffs though. Brunson I never had any doubts about.

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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#57 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:12 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:On the surface that sounds and looks great…when you dig a little deeper and watch the games, the team just isn't a contender, the team has peaked & is on a treadmill. Is what it is.

Another regime wasting 4 years of our lives. Yay.


4th seed and lots of assets is not a bad place to be laying in wait...


It's really not considering that we haven't had consistency in a long time. The next step for the Knicks is to get another player alongside Brunson and Randle. I'm hoping for a 1st or 2nd option to push Randle down to no.3.


The problem I have is that I don't know the list of names. Assuming we are married to Brundle (all reports suggest we are) and assuming the Villanovettes are a fixture... What 1 or 2 options are out there? Keeping in mind that we can't sacrifice defense.
Jokic - nope
Embiid - won't happen
Doncic - Cuban kept veto power to keep him from NY, convince me otherwise
Tatum - working at a chip
Brown - not in the same class, but for arguments sake, see Tatum
Giannis - just got Dame, 2 years locked in
Durant - old, petty, also is on a win-now team
Booker - locked in with Durant
Dame - point guard
Melo - not a star to me, but can't play with brunson
Hali - It's his Pacer team
LeBron - LeLakers for LeLife
Lauri - redundant with Randle
Spida - defensive fit poor
Jah - point guard redundancy, trigger happy
Kyrie - point guard redundancy, mavs hate us, he hates science and demographics of people
Bam - Miami hasn't traded with us since Riley's been there, also Bam is the Center of the Heat
Ant - is the Man, could become a top 5 player, Wolves own him for quite a while longer
SGA - assuming he can slide to the 2, he is the fixture on a rising team that's in the playoff picture.
DeRozan - Is he better than RJ today?
Fox - point guard redundancy, Kings are making their own mark
Jrue - see Tatum/Brown
Paul George - seeking MAX extension, LAC are all in on this year. Not getting any younger.
Sabonis - Kings as ascending, Sabonis is the #2
JJJ - Fell off a bit, DPOY candidate, but is probably the safest player Memphis has on their roster. I don't see them letting him slide.
Siakam - redundant with Randle, is about to cost a max.
Curry - c'mon
Zion - could argue a current downgrade from RAndle, will cost all assets, and is also redundant with Randle.
Mikal Bridges - Super-role player, Nets value him like he is Jordan, apparently would not trade him for the Portland pick
OG - not a star, needs a contract, TOR won't trade for us due to lawsuit
Brow - Lakers are not parting with a star without getting a bigger star.
Wemby - c'mon



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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#58 » by Snacks » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:18 pm

RHODEY wrote:
KOA wrote:Last time I checked, basketball is a team game that is played 5 vs 5.
Donovan Mitchell, despite being "the best player on the court", lost in 5 games to the Knicks last year.

Click bait...

The Knicks simply don't have another body to put other today if Randle isn't playing well.
A Dorian Finney-Smith type of role-player would work wonders in improving the roster. Maybe they get lucky and can get someone younger like Trey Murphy or Herb Jones from NO.


"My Sauces" thinks that since getting a true blue chipper is unrealistic, the only possibly solution would be to play 5 man bball like that last Championship Pistons team.....and he might be right.



Of course this view point is correct. The last team in the last 30 or 40 years to win a chip without being top ten in assists had Kobe and Shaq on it. It's as important as rebounding and playing Defense--- and Thibs has no clue.
The most frustration part about this situation is we have atleast some of the players to do it. I've always said we haven't seen the best this team can do.
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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

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Re: Kenny Smith & Charles Barkley Are Right, We Are Mid & Need To Make A Major Move 

Post#60 » by ohboy109 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:52 pm

NiceLikeChrist wrote:Massive overreaction by kenny and flat-out wrong. Lmao at the Banchero nonsense too.

Of the 14 teams in the east, we beat 10 of them in a series without even playing our best. Most of them in 6 games max. Only the healthy Celtics, 76ers, and bucks pose any type of threat with the bucks being the least of our worries.

Bucks won a fluke game where they magically shot 60% from 3 as a 35% team

Regardless yes we do need one more good piece, namely to replace that bum grimes and we'd be contenders

U must be a hopeless homer

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