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Post#361 » by crowhead76 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:03 pm

I would feel pretty comfortable giving all of Bobby's minutes to Wenyan Gabriel at this point.
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Post#362 » by German Athens » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:21 pm

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German Athens wrote:Every couple pages there’s a post about trading Khris and I just don’t get it.

He’s been the player that takes our offense from very good to elite. Even our defense is better with him out there, because he knows where to be on the court, and he’s a solid communicator. He’s been awesome this year, and he’s playing that third option, connector role really well.

Green font?


No.

He’s putting up 12/4/4 on 47/37/79 splits in 21 minutes. He has greater than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. He just finally hit 30 minutes in a game.

His on-off net rating is +10.3. He’s 30th in the league in EPM, with a +2.4 offensive epm (92nd percentile), and +0.6 defensive epm (79th percentile).
Our defensive rating is better with him in the game than it is otherwise.
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Post#363 » by milweskee » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:24 pm

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milweskee wrote:Where is Griffin getting called out by Bobby being discussed? We might need to keep Bobby around after all.
I think Bobby needs to figure out how to not suck at defense.


Cool. He wasn't wrong though.
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Post#364 » by milweskee » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:31 pm

We can't start throwing away players with this coach. Every one of these players is losing value with this chucklehead. Selling for pennies on the dollar to accommodate this fool is not the way.
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Post#365 » by Frank Nova » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:32 pm

Would be disheartening if Giannis and Dame sat around quietly while Bobby and Griff argued over accountability. Not that Bobby isn’t entitled to criticize the coach, but assuming he didn’t hold himself accountable for his own short comings, where’s the real leadership in the locker room?

Just pure speculation but if Bobby is pissed off about playing only 18mins, that’s 100% on him being borderline unplayable in games like last nights. Hes a slow paced methodical player that gets torched in transition, who’s holding him accountable if he’s the one leading the charge for accountability?

Constructive criticism is necessary all around and it was refreshing to hear Chris Haynes report that Griff welcomed it. But the lack of reporting from the other side makes it seem like Portis was more attacking and he’s certainly on the list of players that has zero right to be such.

This is good tho, fight through the adversity in December. It’ll make us better come April as long as things don’t completely implode and I don’t believe Giannis, Dame, Brook and Khris are gonna let that happen.
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Post#366 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Dec 8, 2023 5:56 pm

Frank Nova wrote:Would be disheartening if Giannis and Dame sat around quietly while Bobby and Griff argued over accountability. Not that Bobby isn’t entitled to criticize the coach, but assuming he didn’t hold himself accountable for his own short comings, where’s the real leadership in the locker room?

Just pure speculation but if Bobby is pissed off about playing only 18mins, that’s 100% on him being borderline unplayable in games like last nights. Hes a slow paced methodical player that gets torched in transition, who’s holding him accountable if he’s the one leading the charge for accountability?

Constructive criticism is necessary all around and it was refreshing to hear Chris Haynes report that Griff welcomed it. But the lack of reporting from the other side makes it seem like Portis was more attacking and he’s certainly on the list of players that has zero right to be such.

This is good tho, fight through the adversity in December. It’ll make us better come April as long as things don’t completely implode and I don’t believe Giannis, Dame, Brook and Khris are gonna let that happen.


Giannis was possibly calling Bobby out in his post-game presser.

He said ultimately the players are on the court, regardless of the coaching staff. They can't hustle, play defense, grab rebounds & communicate on the court. Says they're disorganized on both ends & don't seem to know what they want.

Said the Pacers bench kicked their ass. He could see it in the stat sheet, which he says he normally doesn't look at.

Though it wasn't glowing of Griffin or the staff either. "I try to be a straight shooter..." Won't throw anyone under the bus, organization or coaching staff. "Hopefully the coaches put you in position to succeed". Before his "end of the day" thesis. See above.
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Post#367 » by Be Here Now » Fri Dec 8, 2023 6:05 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:PJ as an assistant coach fine. He's cooked on the court. He's not even in the rotation. Last 6 games he's played 7,5,0,0 0,0. Not injured. And will get $11.5 million next year at 39. Pass.

Well, the Clips are kind of a mess and I think PJ would still be our second best wing defender after Ajax. Out of all 4 players Powell's the most valuable so we'd have to probably take a negative deal to get that upgrade.

We have very few assets to trade and guys like Bobby and Pat most likely aren't going to bring back as much as we'd hope. They are both bad defenders and that's what we need to shore up.
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Post#368 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Dec 8, 2023 6:12 pm

PJ is not the same player he was 3 years ago. Lue is no dummy. He gave PJ minutes when he was first obtained and then benched him. He'll likely see the floor as inevitable injuries happen but we need to stop pining for PJ (and Bud).
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Post#369 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 8, 2023 6:30 pm

Considering his physical style of play it's kind of amazing PJs body held up this long. Good on him for securing that long term bag before the wheels fell off.

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Post#370 » by Profound23 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 7:21 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:Would be disheartening if Giannis and Dame sat around quietly while Bobby and Griff argued over accountability. Not that Bobby isn’t entitled to criticize the coach, but assuming he didn’t hold himself accountable for his own short comings, where’s the real leadership in the locker room?

Just pure speculation but if Bobby is pissed off about playing only 18mins, that’s 100% on him being borderline unplayable in games like last nights. Hes a slow paced methodical player that gets torched in transition, who’s holding him accountable if he’s the one leading the charge for accountability?

Constructive criticism is necessary all around and it was refreshing to hear Chris Haynes report that Griff welcomed it. But the lack of reporting from the other side makes it seem like Portis was more attacking and he’s certainly on the list of players that has zero right to be such.

This is good tho, fight through the adversity in December. It’ll make us better come April as long as things don’t completely implode and I don’t believe Giannis, Dame, Brook and Khris are gonna let that happen.


Giannis was possibly calling Bobby out in his post-game presser.

He said ultimately the players are on the court, regardless of the coaching staff. They can't hustle, play defense, grab rebounds & communicate on the court. Says they're disorganized on both ends & don't seem to know what they want.

Said the Pacers bench kicked their ass. He could see it in the stat sheet, which he says he normally doesn't look at.

Though it wasn't glowing of Griffin or the staff either. "I try to be a straight shooter..." Won't throw anyone under the bus, organization or coaching staff. "Hopefully the coaches put you in position to succeed". Before his "end of the day" thesis. See above.



Yes, it was perfect. He basically said the coaches and players need to get it together. This is true.

I mean look at the Beasley shot where he celebrated with Bobby as the three others (including Giannis) who were already back on defense just allowed Myles Turner make a wide open dunk like it was a layup line. That is not coaching.

Having a rebound ripped out of your hands repeatedly by the worst rebounding team in the NBA isn't coaching.

Don't get me wrong, not defending our coaching because it looks bad too.....but a good portion of this is the players too.
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Post#371 » by Profound23 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 7:39 pm

Bucks are going 9-1 in their next 10 games
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Post#372 » by BroncoBuck » Fri Dec 8, 2023 7:42 pm

This Bucks team is like a car with a flat tire that is still driving along the highway.
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Post#373 » by msiris » Fri Dec 8, 2023 7:50 pm

German Athens wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
German Athens wrote:Every couple pages there’s a post about trading Khris and I just don’t get it.

He’s been the player that takes our offense from very good to elite. Even our defense is better with him out there, because he knows where to be on the court, and he’s a solid communicator. He’s been awesome this year, and he’s playing that third option, connector role really well.

Green font?


No.

He’s putting up 12/4/4 on 47/37/79 splits in 21 minutes. He has greater than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. He just finally hit 30 minutes in a game.

His on-off net rating is +10.3. He’s 30th in the league in EPM, with a +2.4 offensive epm (92nd percentile), and +0.6 defensive epm (79th percentile).
Our defensive rating is better with him in the game than it is otherwise.
sorry but Giannis and Dame are elite. Kris is easy to blow by on D. sometimes stats lie and the eye test really tells the truth
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Post#374 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:15 pm

msiris wrote:
German Athens wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Green font?


No.

He’s putting up 12/4/4 on 47/37/79 splits in 21 minutes. He has greater than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. He just finally hit 30 minutes in a game.

His on-off net rating is +10.3. He’s 30th in the league in EPM, with a +2.4 offensive epm (92nd percentile), and +0.6 defensive epm (79th percentile).
Our defensive rating is better with him in the game than it is otherwise.
sorry but Giannis and Dame are elite. Kris is easy to blow by on D. sometimes stats lie and the eye test really tells the truth


stats never lie when metrics and boxscore stats line up. if your eyetest tells you something different its just simple bias.

trust me i learned the hard way on this years ago... and as it relates to khris its the story of his career here that daggone broke eyetest thing.

if khris numbers or lineup successes change then maybe youd be on to something. in the meantime watch closer and youll see why hes still damn near elite and perhaps the single most important piece for this teams long term success when it matters
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Post#375 » by German Athens » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:21 pm

With my eyeballs, Khris has been really impactful for us this year. I hope he can keep ramping up the minutes.
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Post#376 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:23 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:This Bucks team is like a car with a flat tire that is still driving along the highway.


but not an automatic. a car that has that clutch thing
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Post#377 » by German Athens » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:28 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:This Bucks team is like a car with a flat tire that is still driving along the highway.


And if we slam the brakes, things could get a whole lot worse.

Maybe a new car, though, once the checks come in.
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Post#378 » by emunney » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:31 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Was trying to come up with a 4 quarters for a dollar trade like the Lakers did last year for Middleton but I can't imagine a team giving up any value for him at this point. I'm sad.


If we had any inclination to trade Khris, Orlando would be falling all over themselves to offer Fultz or Harris + Okeke + Howard. This appeals to me zero much.
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Post#379 » by yannisk » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:34 pm

Portis, first round pick, Griffin for a competent coach
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Post#380 » by MissKhriddleton » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:46 pm

Profound23 wrote:Bucks are going 9-1 in their next 10 games

Thats unfortunate.

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