NBA Efficiency Rating

Post #21 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:11 pm

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AleksandarN · Post #22 » by **AleksandarN** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:51 pm

Denver having a better defense than last year by a large margin is scary I can't believe Nuggets are being underrated again in the media.

BodieB · Post #23 » by **BodieB** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:14 pm

Goddamn, Udoka can coach.

Post #24 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:56 pm

Thoughts:

Dejounte needs more touches.
Luka is in a league of his own.
Somebody needs to trade for Mikael Bridges. Dude is a sub-par #1 option, but makes a stellar #3.

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Wigginstime · Post #25 » by **Wigginstime** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:38 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Thoughts:

Dejounte needs more touches.
Luka is in a league of his own.
Somebody needs to trade for Mikael Bridges. Dude is a sub-par #1 option, but makes a stellar #3.

Is isolation even important. James Harden dominated this stat with more than 2x isolation points than any other player in the NBA in the 2018, 2019, and 2020 seasons with solid efficiency (in 2018 he average 1.22 ppp on iso players over the entire season compared to Luka's current 1.26), yet it never looked like winning basketball in the playoffs.

I question the value of extremely high volume isolation for any team.

HotelVitale · Post #26 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:31 pm

Interesting chart, I wonder how it feels about James Harden though.

cgf · Post #27 » by **cgf** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:53 pm

Man Jalen and Julius really had an ugly start to the year. Last season Brunson hit 1.10 PPP on isolations and Julius was at .97, good for 6th & 19th respectively amongst players with at least 2 isos per game and 40 GP.

HotelVitale · Post #28 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:03 pm

Wigginstime wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Thoughts:

Dejounte needs more touches.
Luka is in a league of his own.
Somebody needs to trade for Mikael Bridges. Dude is a sub-par #1 option, but makes a stellar #3.

Is isolation even important. James Harden dominated this stat with more than 2x isolation points than any other player in the NBA in the 2018, 2019, and 2020 seasons with solid efficiency (in 2018 he average 1.22 ppp on iso players over the entire season compared to Luka's current 1.26), yet it never looked like winning basketball in the playoffs. I question the value of extremely high volume isolation for any team.

If that's just based on James Harden that might be hasty. Luka has been very good in the PO and his teams have generally overachieved, while Harden's individual stats and team success usually diminished some. (Not to mention that this story might be different if the Rockets caught a few lucky bounces at key times.)

cgf · Post #29 » by **cgf** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:10 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Wigginstime wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Thoughts:

Dejounte needs more touches.
Luka is in a league of his own.
Somebody needs to trade for Mikael Bridges. Dude is a sub-par #1 option, but makes a stellar #3.

Is isolation even important. James Harden dominated this stat with more than 2x isolation points than any other player in the NBA in the 2018, 2019, and 2020 seasons with solid efficiency (in 2018 he average 1.22 ppp on iso players over the entire season compared to Luka's current 1.26), yet it never looked like winning basketball in the playoffs. I question the value of extremely high volume isolation for any team.

If that's just based on James Harden that might be hasty. Luka has been very good in the PO and his teams have generally overachieved, while Harden's individual stats and team success usually diminished some. (Not to mention that this story might be different if the Rockets caught a few lucky bounces at key times.)

Did those rockets even underachieve? They didn't win a ring, but there were some years that they felt like a bigger obstacle to the dynasty warriors than LeBron.

tamaraw08 · Post #30 » by **tamaraw08** » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:52 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Wargreymon wrote:Wait a minute...If I'm reading this right then how are the Spurs dead last in defense when they have the most likely DPOY winner in Wemby? He's averaging almost 3 blocks a game.

On the court the Spurs are giving up 116.5 points per 100. Off 127.4. So you can make a case they're the worst defense and he's ALSO that good a defender. Kinda wild and this early these stats should be looked at pretty lightly.

I’m very intrigued on how many points do the Spurs allow in the 2nd half’s of tight games.

HotelVitale · Post #31 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:30 am

cgf wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Wigginstime wrote:
Is isolation even important. James Harden dominated this stat with more than 2x isolation points than any other player in the NBA in the 2018, 2019, and 2020 seasons with solid efficiency (in 2018 he average 1.22 ppp on iso players over the entire season compared to Luka's current 1.26), yet it never looked like winning basketball in the playoffs. I question the value of extremely high volume isolation for any team.

If that's just based on James Harden that might be hasty. Luka has been very good in the PO and his teams have generally overachieved, while Harden's individual stats and team success usually diminished some. (Not to mention that this story might be different if the Rockets caught a few lucky bounces at key times.)

Did those rockets even underachieve? They didn't win a ring, but there were some years that they felt like a bigger obstacle to the dynasty warriors than LeBron.

Overall they did. Lost to the Kawhi-Aldridge Spurs one year, first round exit to the Blazers another, got spanked by the W's 4-1 another. They weren't like a horrible embarrassment but they were definitely not as good in the PO as in the RS.

Post #32 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 8:47 pm

My apologies, Kirk and I both have been slipping.

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Dr Aki · Post #33 » by **Dr Aki** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:13 pm

I just know that the IST final is looking like unstoppable force vs immovable object

cgf · Post #34 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:32 pm

That Milwaukee game really did a number on our defensive efficiency lol

firedavidkahn · Post #35 » by **firedavidkahn** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:38 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
bisme37 wrote:Very small sample size but here's a look at how teams have performed so far:

I'm also a big fan.

Here's an updated version through two 7 weeks of the season.
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That's only the last 10 games, not all 7 weeks

firedavidkahn · Post #36 » by **firedavidkahn** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:39 pm

Wargreymon wrote:Wait a minute...If I'm reading this right then how are the Spurs dead last in defense when they have the most likely DPOY winner in Wemby? He's averaging almost 3 blocks a game.

The answer to your question is that Wemby isn't going to win DPOY and blocks are a useless stat for that.

Post #37 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:53 pm

It's amazing Haliburton is leading the #1 offense since it's not like they have stars in that starting lineup....Toppin, Turner, Brown, Mathurin/Hield. I like all those players, but how many PGs would lead the #1 offense with those guys? I think none. He simply makes his teammates better. He has the impact of Chris Paul but is a better 3pt shooter and runs with a fast pace offense like KJ did...I bring those guys up since I watched them a lot on the Suns. KJ made his teammates a lot better too with a fast pace and way dynamic.

cgf · Post #38 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:54 pm

bwgood77 wrote:It's amazing Haliburton is leading the #1 offense since it's not like they have stars in that starting lineup....Toppin, Turner, Brown, Mathurin/Hield. I like all those players, but how many PGs would lead the #1 offense with those guys? I think none. He simply makes his teammates better. He has the impact of Chris Paul but is a better 3pt shooter and runs with a fast pace offense like KJ did...I bring those guys up since I watched them a lot on the Suns. KJ made his teammates a lot better too with a fast pace and way dynamic.

Surprised you didn't mention Nash.

Post #39 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:55 pm

cgf wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:It's amazing Haliburton is leading the #1 offense since it's not like they have stars in that starting lineup....Toppin, Turner, Brown, Mathurin/Hield. I like all those players, but how many PGs would lead the #1 offense with those guys? I think none. He simply makes his teammates better. He has the impact of Chris Paul but is a better 3pt shooter and runs with a fast pace offense like KJ did...I bring those guys up since I watched them a lot on the Suns. KJ made his teammates a lot better too with a fast pace and way dynamic.

Surprised you didn't mention Nash.

Yeah, thought of him. I guess he might be the perfect mix of the two I brought up and was the best shooter, similar to Haliburton. He kind of has some traits of all of them.

With the Suns tradition of having great PGs (Kidd too), Haliburton was right there for the taking. If they had a lineup now of Haliburton, Booker, Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton, there is little doubt they'd be the #1 offense. I think Ayton would have been great in his offense too. He was much better at a faster pace.

cgf · Post #40 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
cgf wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:It's amazing Haliburton is leading the #1 offense since it's not like they have stars in that starting lineup....Toppin, Turner, Brown, Mathurin/Hield. I like all those players, but how many PGs would lead the #1 offense with those guys? I think none. He simply makes his teammates better. He has the impact of Chris Paul but is a better 3pt shooter and runs with a fast pace offense like KJ did...I bring those guys up since I watched them a lot on the Suns. KJ made his teammates a lot better too with a fast pace and way dynamic.

Surprised you didn't mention Nash.

Yeah, thought of him. I guess he might be the perfect mix of the two I brought up and was the best shooter, similar to Haliburton. He kind of has some traits of all of them.

With the Suns tradition of having great PGs (Kidd too), Haliburton was right there for the taking. If they had a lineup now of Haliburton, Booker, Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton, there is little doubt they'd be the #1 offense. I think Ayton would have been great in his offense too. He was much better at a faster pace.

Nash is who my mind goes to. He looks different doing it, but the impact he had just makes me think of the original Canadian superstar.

And I know that feel, happy with where we ended up but man would Hali have been nice :lol: