Scoot Henderson

[EvanZ]

Again, it seems like all these laps were literally being taken because of a single poster on here. Other than Clyde (I guess?) who else was "blind" for Scoot? I don't remember too many. You should just dm Clyde and take laps on him there instead of polluting these threads with all your damn lap taking.

Dude, there is an entire thread on the GB about how Charlotte were idiots for taking Miller over Scoot. Same with Twitter, it was an outrage when they didn't take him. As for Clyde, he took a million laps before Scoot even played a game, so I'm gonna flex nuts on him and not feel bad about it.

What are you talking about? Didn't Givony and everyone else by the Draft have BM mocked #2? I'm so sick of your fake outrage. Go cry to mommy. Such a god damn baby.

[God Squad]

Again, it seems like all these laps were literally being taken because of a single poster on here. Other than Clyde (I guess?) who else was "blind" for Scoot? I don't remember too many. You should just dm Clyde and take laps on him there instead of polluting these threads with all your damn lap taking.

Dude, there is an entire thread on the GB about how Charlotte were idiots for taking Miller over Scoot. Same with Twitter, it was an outrage when they didn't take him. As for Clyde, he took a million laps before Scoot even played a game, so I'm gonna flex nuts on him and not feel bad about it.

The General board and this draft board are totally different entities. The general board is nothing more than hot takes and "like" fishing. I'm a little surprised people are doing victory laps so early when we've seen time & time again how these things are fluid and change so often. Yes, Scoot has been a disappointment to start, no doubt. But that doesn't mean he was or wasn't worthy of the #2 pick. But the chest boasting this early into the season, knowing how these things work is just weird.

But feel free to have your back & forth with EvanZ and Clyde.

[JMAC3]

Every game that goes by is less and less "victory lapping" and just pointing out the facts. It is not as if people show up when Scoot has a bad game and then disappear for weeks when he is playing well. He has had basically 1 good game thus far.

Last night was fine 4/9 9 pts but -15 +/- in a game they lost by 4 and he was 8 pts worse than 2nd worst guy.

Also, if anything the "Scoot truthers" are cherry picking data to try and make his shooting look better when flat out the "victory lappers" are just saying he is at 20% for the year, there is no skewing the data to make it look pretty.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I mean there were a tonne of general board posters who were basicly acting like Scoot was some sort of guaranteed star and near generational player and that Miller looked like a bust. That Scoot/Miller was one of the biggest draft mistakes of all time. There were multiple threads with that train of thought running in them.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Every game that goes by is less and less "victory lapping" and just pointing out the facts. It is not as if people show up when Scoot has a bad game and then disappear for weeks when he is playing well. He has had basically 1 good game thus far.

Last night was fine 4/9 9 pts but -15 +/- in a game they lost by 4 and he was 8 pts worse than 2nd worst guy.

Also, if anything the "Scoot truthers" are cherry picking data to try and make his shooting look better when flat out the "victory lappers" are just saying he is at 20% for the year, there is no skewing the data to make it look pretty.

Bizarrely he has a bunch of significantly positive plus minus games outside of his last game since coming from the gleague. +15, +2, +10, +12, -5, -15. If you consider plus minus some kind of reflection of player ability, he's only has had the one bad game and several good ones. +7 average outside of the -15. Portland wasn't featuring a bunch of blowout victories in those games either. Anyways, he was pretty obviously bad in some of those games, its strange though.

[JMAC3]

Every game that goes by is less and less "victory lapping" and just pointing out the facts. It is not as if people show up when Scoot has a bad game and then disappear for weeks when he is playing well. He has had basically 1 good game thus far.

Last night was fine 4/9 9 pts but -15 +/- in a game they lost by 4 and he was 8 pts worse than 2nd worst guy.

Also, if anything the "Scoot truthers" are cherry picking data to try and make his shooting look better when flat out the "victory lappers" are just saying he is at 20% for the year, there is no skewing the data to make it look pretty.

Bizarrely he has a bunch of significantly positive plus minus games outside of his last game since coming from the gleague. +15, +2, +10, +12, -5, -15. If you consider plus minus some kind of reflection of player ability, he's only has had the one bad game and several good ones. +7 average outside of the -15. Portland wasn't featuring a bunch of blowout victories in those games either. Anyways, he was pretty obviously bad in some of those games, its strange though.

Yeah it is strange. I am monitoring it.

EPM loves his defensive impact. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

but the strange thing is he is virtually the only defender in the top 50 without elite percentile steal% or block%. His oddly low to still be in the top 90+% overall on Def EPM. Idk what all goes into calculating it, but just in the last 3-4 games he has dropped from +3.8 to +1.8 so it may already be correcting the outlier.

[EvanZ]

Every game that goes by is less and less "victory lapping" and just pointing out the facts. It is not as if people show up when Scoot has a bad game and then disappear for weeks when he is playing well. He has had basically 1 good game thus far.

Last night was fine 4/9 9 pts but -15 +/- in a game they lost by 4 and he was 8 pts worse than 2nd worst guy.

Also, if anything the "Scoot truthers" are cherry picking data to try and make his shooting look better when flat out the "victory lappers" are just saying he is at 20% for the year, there is no skewing the data to make it look pretty.

"Victory Lap" is claiming victory in their rookie season. Period. It's as if you've never seen a Darius Garland or an Anthony Edwards get a lot better over time and other rookies start out great and plateau or regress over time. So if you think you are doing it right by claiming every bad Scoot game is a win for you somehow...it's your prerogative to do so. But it just looks so damn silly and petty. It's like you have no confidence that you are good at this so you are constantly having to pat yourself on the back. Personally, I don't get it. But you do you. If it makes you feel good keep taking those laps. Maybe one day you'll lap me.

[JMAC3]

Every game that goes by is less and less "victory lapping" and just pointing out the facts. It is not as if people show up when Scoot has a bad game and then disappear for weeks when he is playing well. He has had basically 1 good game thus far.

Last night was fine 4/9 9 pts but -15 +/- in a game they lost by 4 and he was 8 pts worse than 2nd worst guy.

Also, if anything the "Scoot truthers" are cherry picking data to try and make his shooting look better when flat out the "victory lappers" are just saying he is at 20% for the year, there is no skewing the data to make it look pretty.

"Victory Lap" is claiming victory in their rookie season. Period. It's as if you've never seen a Darius Garland or an Anthony Edwards get a lot better over time and other rookies start out great and plateau or regress over time. So if you think you are doing it right by claiming every bad Scoot game is a win for you somehow...it's your prerogative to do so. But it just looks so damn silly and petty. It's like you have no confidence that you are good at this so you are constantly having to pat yourself on the back. Personally, I don't get it. But you do you. If it makes you feel good keep taking those laps. Maybe one day you'll lap me.

Thanks Webster!

Imagine thinking Anthony Edwards averaging 19ppg including putting up 15 points or more 6 out of his first 8 games is a good example to compare Scoot to who has scored more than 15 points 1 time in 11 games. Scoot averaging less than half the ppg than rookie Ant.

[JMAC3]

If you want to hang your hat on an outlier like Garland for your Scoot Bags then go for it.

Just a funny comp when this thread is full of people shouting how Pro ready Scoot was because of the Gleague playing pros for 2 years... vs Garland who played a total of 5 college games. At least Garland had some type of excuse for the adjustment period.

[EvanZ]

If you want to hang your hat on an outlier like Garland for your Scoot Bags then go for it.

Just a funny comp when this thread is full of people shouting how Pro ready Scoot was because of the Gleague playing pros for 2 years... vs Garland who played a total of 5 college games. At least Garland had some type of excuse for the adjustment period.

You think Garland is the only rookie that ever struggled?

[JMAC3]

If you want to hang your hat on an outlier like Garland for your Scoot Bags then go for it.

Just a funny comp when this thread is full of people shouting how Pro ready Scoot was because of the Gleague playing pros for 2 years... vs Garland who played a total of 5 college games. At least Garland had some type of excuse for the adjustment period.

You think Garland is the only rookie that ever struggled?

I think you should petition that thread is locked until year 3 because you hate people talking about the rookies so bad.

I said Anthony Edwards was a bad example because it was.
If you want to cling to the Garland example so be it, my point is that Garland really was nothing like Scoot.

Garland was a known good shooter who struggled early with adjusting after playing only 5 games in college. His shot came around like expected.

Scoot was a known bad shooter who is struggling to shoot. Struggling really at everything on the offensive end. Him struggling out of the gate after being anointed, playing against pros for 2 years before, getting insane hype, partnering with Curry, having that DAWG in him, blah blah, then he came out looking flat.

He deserves all the criticism he is receiving. If he proves me wrong so be it, me talking about it has no effect on the outcome of him as a player. Only he can control that. Please for the love of god quit crying about it every single day.

[EvanZ]

Please for the love of god quit crying about it every single day.

Quit taking laps and I will

[tester551]

Mods - Can we please just lock this thread?

[JMAC3]

Yeah it is strange. I am monitoring it.

EPM loves his defensive impact. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

but the strange thing is he is virtually the only defender in the top 50 without elite percentile steal% or block%. His oddly low to still be in the top 90+% overall on Def EPM. Idk what all goes into calculating it, but just in the last 3-4 games he has dropped from +3.8 to +1.8 so it may already be correcting the outlier.

Again, idk how this is me victory lapping or whatever.

Legit posting real data and discussing him. It is not as if I am in here trolling and being obnoxious.

[Braggins]

Quit taking laps and I will

Stop feeding the troll.

[clyde21]

Mods - Can we please just lock this thread?

Don't lock it because of the two clown cars that pollute this board

if anything they need to be shown the door before this board become unvisitable

[CptCrunch]

Anyone who cites EPM instantly loses all credibility, which shouldn't be surprising in the above case. Most people think EPM is a real plus minus benchmark when it is a doctored BPM type stats with disingenuous benchmarking by some amateurs. Before this, there was the even worse PIPM spam with even more questionable methodology.

[clyde21]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

[MasterIchiro]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

Miller plays with a chip and we love him in North Carolina. The truth is, you optimize the offense by playing through the top playmaker on your team, and LaMelo is in a class of his own despite Scoot being very talented in this department. You lose value every time you play through Scoot instead of LaMelo. Honestly, Miller looks like a prolific scorer and he has the confidence I saw in Scoot.

Miller looks more NBA-ready and is shooting 40% from 3. He scored 20 tonight and hit a clutch 3 to close it. His confidence is outrageous and just something that can't be taught.

Hornets made the better choice here. I liked both players, and recognize Scoot is one year younger. So, you will not see me dancing on any graves. I thought it would be hard to root for Miller after passing on my guy but Brandon has made it easy.

He plays like Paul Pierce.

[clyde21]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

Miller plays with a chip and we love him in North Carolina. The truth is, you optimize the offense by playing through the top playmaker on your team, and LaMelo is in a class of his own despite Scoot being very talented in this department. You lose value every time you play through Scoot instead of LaMelo. Honestly, Miller looks like a prolific scorer and he has the confidence I saw in Scoot.

Miller looks more NBA-ready and is shooting 40% from 3. He scored 20 tonight and hit a clutch 3 to close it. His confidence is outrageous and just something that can't be taught.

Hornets made the better choice here. I liked both players, and recognize Scoot is one year younger. So, you will not see me dancing on any graves. I thought it would be hard to root for Miller after passing on my guy but Brandon has made it easy.

He plays like Paul Pierce.

i don't think it'll be particularly close in a couple of years but glad you're enjoying Miller and hope he can be great for you guys