NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[ROballer]

You can't have Booker on there. Not as long as Durant's playing like he's playing.

And besides, Booker already missed 9 games and he gets to miss 17 at most to qualify, per the new rules.

That would mean he needs to play 53/61 games to finish the season, which isn't happening considering the Suns have plenty of back to backs remaining as well. Any small injury which is likely IMO and he's already out.

[losmi]

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All it took was resting games against actual good teams and then stat padding against the worst team in the league.

He loves the Wizards, he always drops 45-50 on them.

Amazing how this works.

Last year, he shamelessly ducked Jokic and still won the award.

This year, he's ducking everyone and stat padding against bad teams, and he is #1 again.

Is this normal thing in the US? Talk s**t about your opponents, then hide in the arena and few days after they'll give you the award? Soft.

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[One Last Shot]

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All it took was resting games against actual good teams and then stat padding against the worst team in the league.

He loves the Wizards, he always drops 45-50 on them.

Amazing how this works.

Last year, he shamelessly ducked Jokic and still won the award.

This year, he's ducking everyone and stat padding against bad teams, and he is #1 again.

Is this normal thing in the US? Talk s**t about your opponents, then hide in the arena and few days after they'll give you the award? Soft.

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Sure dude he's scared to face Jokic because the last time they clashed, Embiid just scored 47 points, 18 rebounds, 5 asissts, 2 blocks and 3 steals against the Joker. Soft.

[RB34]

All it took was resting games against actual good teams and then stat padding against the worst team in the league.

He loves the Wizards, he always drops 45-50 on them.

Amazing how this works.

Last year, he shamelessly ducked Jokic and still won the award.

This year, he's ducking everyone and stat padding against bad teams, and he is #1 again.

Is this normal thing in the US? Talk s**t about your opponents, then hide in the arena and few days after they'll give you the award? Soft.

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Sure dude he's scared to face Jokic because the last time they clashed, Embiid just scored 47 points, 18 rebounds, 5 asissts, 2 blocks and 3 steals against the Joker. Soft.

Where was that game? I recall Embiid was a healthy scratch the next matchup.

[eyeatoma]

Amazing how this works.

Last year, he shamelessly ducked Jokic and still won the award.

This year, he's ducking everyone and stat padding against bad teams, and he is #1 again.

Is this normal thing in the US? Talk s**t about your opponents, then hide in the arena and few days after they'll give you the award? Soft.

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Sure dude he's scared to face Jokic because the last time they clashed, Embiid just scored 47 points, 18 rebounds, 5 asissts, 2 blocks and 3 steals against the Joker. Soft.

Where was that game? I recall Embiid was a healthy scratch the next matchup.

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

[RB34]

Sure dude he's scared to face Jokic because the last time they clashed, Embiid just scored 47 points, 18 rebounds, 5 asissts, 2 blocks and 3 steals against the Joker. Soft.

Where was that game? I recall Embiid was a healthy scratch the next matchup.

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

[eyeatoma]

Where was that game? I recall Embiid was a healthy scratch the next matchup.

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

Ya'll harp about the playoffs, he doesn't skip playoff games. He plays through injuries that 99% of the NBA would not be able to. That's when it matters, and if he can drag himself on the court he does man.

Dude had a broken face and was concussed and was playing against Miami and seeing stars and ****. Like cmon now.

Also Jokic took off a bunch of games at the end of the season last year and missed a "key matchup" against an elite team as well, think it was the Bucks. Not a peep about Joker dodging games.

[RB34]

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

Ya'll harp about the playoffs, he doesn't skip playoff games. He plays through injuries that 99% of the NBA would not be able to. That's when it matters, and if he can drag himself on the court he does man.

Dude had a broken face and was concussed and was playing against Miami and seeing stars and ****. Like cmon now.

Also Jokic took off a bunch of games at the end of the season last year and missed a "key matchup" against an elite time as well, think it was the Bucks.

It’s a regular season award, we all know that. We’re not the ones talking about the playoffs though, the media are. They’re the ones that said the Joker couldn’t win it because he didn’t have a ring.

Is Embiid having a good enough season to win b2b despite the fact he’s never been to the conference finals. Is that going to be the narrative?

In the last 10 games of last season Jokic missed games against the Kings, Pels, Warriors and Suns x 2. He played against Philly and the Bucks and went 25/12/17 and 31/12/7 in those games. He still managed 69 games played, Embiid 66.

Nobody is getting credit for their injuries. Look at the 20 finals. That Heat team was mangled but nobody says a word about it.

[One Last Shot]

Where was that game? I recall Embiid was a healthy scratch the next matchup.

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

It's just the optics of his haters mainly because they thought he didn't deserve the MVP and they said he flops a lot eventhough Jokic is the one getting punished by the league with fines for his flopping. KD and LeBron never played against each other for 5 straight years and no one is ducking anyone, they are just on different conference and played twice a year max if they won't make the NBA Finals. They suit up if they are healthy enough and it's not a secret that Embiid is injury prone. The important thing is he shows up when he faced Jokic, here is the history of Embiid versus Jokic head-to-head match-up where Joel won 5 of 7 games. Embiid also scored more points, rebounds, blocks, steals in less minutes against him while Jokic have more assists as he should but also more turnovers. So explain to me why would he duck Jokic when his team won 71% of the time when they are both playing and he outperformed him in every counting stats except assist in less minutes played?

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It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

Ya'll harp about the playoffs, he doesn't skip playoff games. He plays through injuries that 99% of the NBA would not be able to. That's when it matters, and if he can drag himself on the court he does man.

Dude had a broken face and was concussed and was playing against Miami and seeing stars and ****. Like cmon now.

Also Jokic took off a bunch of games at the end of the season last year and missed a "key matchup" against an elite time as well, think it was the Bucks.

It’s a regular season award, we all know that. We’re not the ones talking about the playoffs though, the media are. They’re the ones that said the Joker couldn’t win it because he didn’t have a ring.

Is Embiid having a good enough season to win b2b despite the fact he’s never been to the conference finals. Is that going to be the narrative?

In the last 10 games of last season Jokic missed games against the Kings, Pels, Warriors and Suns x 2. He played against Philly and the Bucks and went 25/12/17 and 31/12/7 in those games. He still managed 69 games played, Embiid 66.

Nobody is getting credit for their injuries. Look at the 20 finals. That Heat team was mangled but nobody says a word about it.

Thats not true at all, the injury issues for the heat were brought up often. Also no one was playing through torn ligament in their leg, a broken orbital bone, torn meniscus. There are levels to this. Herro was hurt, he sat out the entire playoffs (think a broken arm is too much to play throuhg, but the point is, it's a lot easier to play through the injuries many in the playoffs had over what Embiid. He consistently has bad injuries, and consistently plays through the in the playoffs.

So he missed against contenders like Warriors and Suns, and yet not a peep for Joker?

Again I will say, the team that gives Embiid the biggest issues are the Celtics. He played the end of the season and dropped 50 on Horford. Could have easily "sat that game out".

[RB34]

Why does it matter where the game is played. Home court does not count for much amongst the best players in the league. If you have heard the old adage, superstars play well anywhere, bench/role players need the homecourt.

It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

It's just the optics of his haters mainly because they thought he didn't deserve the MVP and they said he flops a lot eventhough Jokic is the one getting punished by the league with fines for his flopping. KD and LeBron never played against each other for 5 straight years and no one is ducking anyone, they are just on different conference and played twice a year max if they won't make the NBA Finals. They suit up if they are healthy enough and it's not a secret that Embiid is injury prone. The important thing is he shows up when he faced Jokic, here is the history of Embiid versus Jokic head-to-head match-up where Joel won 5 of 7 games. Embiid also scored more points, rebounds, blocks, steals in less minutes against him while Jokic have more assists as he should but also more turnovers. So explain to me why would he duck Jokic when his team won 71% of the time when they are both playing and he outperformed him in every counting stats except assist in less minutes played?

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Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. His line was 19/15/2, he had an offensive foul and turnover in clutch. Joker 26/10/6. The point is if you’re only playing on your own terms it’s sus.

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It’s the optics of the whole thing, Embiid rarely plays in Denver and seems to pick and chose the big matchups when it suits him.

It's just the optics of his haters mainly because they thought he didn't deserve the MVP and they said he flops a lot eventhough Jokic is the one getting punished by the league with fines for his flopping. KD and LeBron never played against each other for 5 straight years and no one is ducking anyone, they are just on different conference and played twice a year max if they won't make the NBA Finals. They suit up if they are healthy enough and it's not a secret that Embiid is injury prone. The important thing is he shows up when he faced Jokic, here is the history of Embiid versus Jokic head-to-head match-up where Joel won 5 of 7 games. Embiid also scored more points, rebounds, blocks, steals in less minutes against him while Jokic have more assists as he should but also more turnovers. So explain to me why would he duck Jokic when his team won 71% of the time when they are both playing and he outperformed him in every counting stats except assist in less minutes played?

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Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. His line was 19/15/2, he had an offensive foul and turnover in clutch. Joker 26/10/6.

Really scrapping the barrel here man, going back 4 years to get this data. I wrote a post talking about all the times he missed games in Denver over his career in last season's thread. I ran through every time he missed a game. He was legitimately injured or out with covid for every meeting in Denver, except for last year, when they rested him on a back to back.

[RB34]

It's just the optics of his haters mainly because they thought he didn't deserve the MVP and they said he flops a lot eventhough Jokic is the one getting punished by the league with fines for his flopping. KD and LeBron never played against each other for 5 straight years and no one is ducking anyone, they are just on different conference and played twice a year max if they won't make the NBA Finals. They suit up if they are healthy enough and it's not a secret that Embiid is injury prone. The important thing is he shows up when he faced Jokic, here is the history of Embiid versus Jokic head-to-head match-up where Joel won 5 of 7 games. Embiid also scored more points, rebounds, blocks, steals in less minutes against him while Jokic have more assists as he should but also more turnovers. So explain to me why would he duck Jokic when his team won 71% of the time when they are both playing and he outperformed him in every counting stats except assist in less minutes played?

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Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. His line was 19/15/2, he had an offensive foul and turnover in clutch. Joker 26/10/6.

Really scrapping the barrel here man, going back 4 years to get this data. I wrote a post talking about all the times he missed games in Denver over his career in last season's thread. I ran through every time he missed a game. He was legitimately injured or out with covid for every meeting in Denver, except for last year, when they rested him on a back to back.

I’m not scraping the barrel at all, that’s just the last time Embiid played in Denver. If there was a more recent one I would have posted that. You can’t say Embiid has won all the matchups when he doesn’t play on the other dudes floor. It doesn’t make sense. It’s the whole reason there is such a fight for home court seeding.

[Cubbies2120]

Kind of amusing that the Jokic/Embiid discussion is like the RGM ratings equivalent of Rock/HHH from the WWF. Now we just need to figure out who's Stephanie, Shane and Vince in this analogy.

I was around as a lurker back in the 2008-2012 days of Kobe fans vs. LeBron fans. Now THAT was some fun 'discussion'

[antonac]

Blah blah blah it's still gonna be jokic that wins because

[dygaction]

Jokic is hurting his shooting % in the past two games

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[jack612]

Add Rudy Gobert to the poll.

[bigboi]

“Mvp race is over”.

Yea, no

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All it took was resting games against actual good teams and then stat padding against the worst team in the league.

He loves the Wizards, he always drops 45-50 on them.

Amazing how this works.

Last year, he shamelessly ducked Jokic and still won the award.

This year, he's ducking everyone and stat padding against bad teams, and he is #1 again.

Is this normal thing in the US? Talk s**t about your opponents, then hide in the arena and few days after they'll give you the award? Soft.

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Lol at ducking Jokic when he dropped 47 and 18rebounds vs Jokic last season. Not sure why you assume he’s ducking Jokic when everytime they play each other Embiid cooks him with ease.