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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2121 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:19 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Zion is a fat slob that can't shoot threes and doesn't even have the desire to be in shape after a career of weight related injuries.


If he isn't motivated by now to stop being a fat lazy fuq...is NYK really gonna make the difference?


It might make it worse. I know that Louisiana cuisine is to die for, but the food in NYC is literally the best in the world due to the multicultural make up of the city. Imagine what will happen when this dude actually eats some REAL pizza.

Dude's gonna be out here looking like Michael Sweetney Part 2 :lol: walking into the locker room smelling like warm marinara and pussy
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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2122 » by KnicksGadfly » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:21 pm

Someone on RealGM be stalking this board:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273902/Zion-Williamson-Doesnt-Listen-To-Pelicans-Pleas-To-Improve-Diet-Conditioning

The conditioning of Zion Williamson came under scrutiny on Thursday as the New Orleans Pelicans were blown out in the In-Season Tournament semifinals by the Los Angeles Lakers. The speed and energy of LeBron James at the age of 38 contrasted with Williamson in a dramatic way.

The Pelicans have repeated stressed to Williamson that his diet and conditioning needs to improve. Multiple sources from the Pelicans told Christian Clark of The Times-Picayune that Williamson "doesn't listen."

Williamson has a career low PER of 21.8 this season though he has so far remained healthy and available to play. Williamson has been an All-Star in 2021 and 2023.
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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2123 » by sol537 » Fri Dec 8, 2023 9:22 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I dunno. If Zion wants out of New Orleans, that's one thing, but ignoring the training team and continuing to eat like a pig at the detriment of his own physical health and not working on his conditioning is a massive red flag. His body is his entire career. If he can't bring himself to care about that, I don't see what the change in venue will do. Lots of great food choices up here. Lots of bad onlyfans girls in the city, the nightlife in NYC crushes New Orleans.

I wouldn't trust the guy. When a headcase shows you who they are, believe them. He doesn't care. He has his money, basketball is just a job.

Dude was out there last night sucking wind while 39 year old LeBron was running circles around the Pelicans. It's the epitome of unprofessionalism. As bad as Randle has been at times, it's nothing compared to what Zion has done in his underwhelming career.


Completely understandable take.

As we always say though, Zion is only potentially available because of all his red flags. If theres a chance he starts giving a damn here then that may be the only chance we have at making any noise while Brunson is in his prime. Who else is out there? Embiid isnt coming and hes got his own problems too.

Id rather roll the dice with Zion than just settle for Donovan Mitchell, who I know wont lead us to crap especially alongside Brunson.

Maybe Zion is just a young guy getting all this stuff out of his system now, and will settle down some soon. Wishful thinking yeah but most of us grow up a bit in our 20s.


I'm all aboard on team #rollthedice too. I think Zion is unmotivated in New Orleans because he's away from his fam & friends, the team knows he doesn't want to be there but refuses to trade him (so far), and the team has moved away from him as the focal point of the offense (understandably). I'd be shocked if he's still on the NOP after this trade deadline and/or this off-season, at the latest.
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Post#2124 » by Guano » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:10 pm

What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.
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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2125 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:51 pm

Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.


I have PTSD from what happened with the Nets, so I'm far from objective here because i always think there's going to come a moment when headcase players will flat out show fans that they do not give a fat f*ck.....but i can't blame you for feeling this way. The team needs that big, superstar piece to go with Brunson.

But....if Leon gives up the entire house for Zion, and this is really who he is...man :nonono:
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Post#2126 » by Guano » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:56 pm

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Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.


I have PTSD from what happened with the Nets, so I'm far from objective here because i always think there's going to come a moment when headcase players will flat out show fans that they do not give a fat f*ck.....but i can't blame you for feeling this way. The team needs that big, superstar piece to go with Brunson.

But....if Leon gives up the entire house for Zion, and this is really who he is...man :nonono:


nets were a properly fitted kd sized shoe from beating the champs and maybe a quality therapist changes the outcome too


what I am saying they had a chance. the knicks don't right now.
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Post#2127 » by RHODEY » Fri Dec 8, 2023 10:59 pm

Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.


He's a super star in the way that Derrick Coleman was.Ooozing talent... but It's all potential and no results. Upstairs he doesn't have the desire to be great. Steady servings of an NBA paycheck, gumbo, and BBL booty are good enough for him.
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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2128 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Dec 8, 2023 11:00 pm

Guano wrote:
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Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.


I have PTSD from what happened with the Nets, so I'm far from objective here because i always think there's going to come a moment when headcase players will flat out show fans that they do not give a fat f*ck.....but i can't blame you for feeling this way. The team needs that big, superstar piece to go with Brunson.

But....if Leon gives up the entire house for Zion, and this is really who he is...man :nonono:


nets were a kd sized right shoe from beating the champs and maybe a quality therapist changes the outcome too


what I am saying they had a chance. the knicks don't right now.


Yeah that's why I'm saying, don't listen to me on this bro, I'm not being objective here :lol: I watched a team go all in on suspect dudes crash out and i don't want that for the Knicks and the fanbase, but i know that being scared doesn't do anything either. If a deal is there, i can't say anyone is wrong for wanting Leon to go in
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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

Post#2129 » by G_K_F » Fri Dec 8, 2023 11:13 pm

Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.

Zion is a joke. You don’t want guys on your team who lack motivation. He doesn’t care about basketball. He got his bag. He’ll be out of the league within 5 years. Or he’ll have an Oliver Miller journeyman career.
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Post#2130 » by aggo » Fri Dec 8, 2023 11:31 pm

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these Zion efforts are lower than what randle gives. like, a lot lower.

some of Randle's effort plays on defense are a lot of fake hustle plays where hes late but he still puts in the bare minimum. these plays by Zion are far far below what randle does.
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Post#2131 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 8, 2023 11:42 pm

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these Zion efforts are lower than what randle gives. like, a lot lower.

some of Randle's effort plays on defense are a lot of fake hustle plays where hes late but he still puts in the bare minimum. these plays by Zion are far far below what randle does.


Do not want that on my team. He's gonna flame out real fast.
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Post#2132 » by Guano » Sat Dec 9, 2023 12:18 am

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Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.

Zion is a joke. You don’t want guys on your team who lack motivation. He doesn’t care about basketball. He got his bag. He’ll be out of the league within 5 years. Or he’ll have an Oliver Miller journeyman career.



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Post#2133 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Dec 9, 2023 12:57 am

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The biggest issue with the nba is falling regular season ratings and securing a new, more expensive tv deal. Even last years finals had a 6% drop in viewers from the previous year. Most of this can’t be explained away with cord cutting, since thats counted on Nielsen and illegal streams. It seems like the investment has kinda worked for now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/04/has-the-nbas-in-season-tournament-paid-off-these-tv-ratings-suggest-yes-probably/amp/



We’re in the world where random NFL games out draw the NBA finals. Something needs to change or it literally will end the league.

Home court advantage, giving yourself the easiest match up you can in the first round, to keep selling tickets and ads for their games, keeping their players in shape and in rhythm for the playoffs, chances of making all nba, winning end of seasons awards, making the all star game. There’s a bunch of reasons to keep playing even if you secure a top 6 seed. All it would do is just keep you out of the play in tournament too. If you fell out, that advantage would go away.

Maybe you’re right and a team will throw the rest of the season and try to finish 10th but it would do massive damage to the league and I’d imagine the nba would step in at that point. There’s a reason Hinkie never got another job. Also I’d hope players and coaches care to much to do something like that.

But I think the underlying issues that have caused the decline in RS ratings haven't been addressed and while the IST has led to a spike in interest (in the short term at least) I think it's still a superficial solution. Perhaps I am mistaken, we'll know in a few years.



What would you change that would address the ratings decline?

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I think the NBA's biggest problem is the drought in domestic superstar talent. It's a USA basketball issue at root level. But the way the NBA is covered by its partners seriously compounds the issue.

Guys like Haliburton or Edwards could have MVP upside (particularly Hali), but there are no Jordans, LeBrons, Kobes, or Currys on the horizon - and these guys used to drive the conversation 24/7. The best players in the league are international players nowadays. And they simply don't draw casual viewers as much as their US counterparts did in the past. The average viewer is not as invested.

The NBA nowadays is stuck in a dissonant state. It has historically been a soft power tool to promote a sense of American "greatness" (always an underlying message behind the individualization of the sport), yet its best players are not from the States. Against this backdrop, the league has struggled to reconcile embracing its international growth and appealing to a domestic audience.

And I think it's a problem that its partners - like ESPN - have been reluctant to embrace/sell Jokic, Giannis etc. as much as US-born superstars before them. They would rather shift the focus of the discussion to the Lakers, on KD, etc. and recycle these old topics to bring in short-term viewership. And I think this is counterproductive in the long run, because it diminishes the exposure to the players who are most likely to be relevant from a basketball sense. It doesn't help when chauvinists like SAS are prominent voices.

The league's other big issue to me is that these games have largely become unwatchable unless your team is playing (in my opinion). There's just too much stoppage of play. If there's anything to take inspiration away from soccer, it's the flow of the game, not a Cup format that makes conceptual sense in a relegation/tier system like the European leagues but none whatsoever in a closed system like the NBA. You'll never reach the same flow as soccer, but you can improve the watching experience by reducing the amount of stoppage of play.

It starts with implementing better video replay technology to lead to faster reviews . The NBA's technology is so far behind other sports, it's really embarrassing for a multi-billion professional league. I would also postulate - without any evidence - that the NBA has reached the point of diminishing returns with the ad money generated by timeouts. I think the number of timeouts just hurts the flow of the game too much, and hurts the viewer experience. I would look to trim the number of timeouts by a couple.

Finally, and I don't necessarily think this significantly affects viewership, but NBA officiating lacks transparency. It's incredibly opaque, the rules are too ambiguous, the refs have been enabled to take passion away from the game with these ridiculous techs, and overall I think the league has at minimum enabled officials to call games arbitrarily without any accountability. I find there is too much space for subjectivity in the way the game is officiated, and it hurts the league's credibility at least in my eyes.

Anyway, my bigger point is, I think the IST is a quick fix that will solve nothing in the long-run because it's devoid of actual meaning besides driving profit, and it addresses none of the issues mentioned above. And with the play-in tournament already introduced, it is now adding a level of complexity to the regular season that I find concerning for a legacy product like the NBA, and which I think will hurt the credibility of the NBA season in the long run.

We're in the honeymoon phase now. Novelty creates intrigue. Intrigue attracts viewers. Whether it's there to stay or not, I think this in-season tournament will be a net loss for the NBA in terms of viewership. But this won't be felt for some time. Maybe by then some of these more fundamental issues (imo) will have been mitigated.
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Post#2134 » by nyknicks09 » Sat Dec 9, 2023 3:22 am

The problem with the NBA is that they don’t let these teams play physical ball anymore since the Palace WWE Smackdown. Refs don’t let them play at all. It’s all about shooting the ball from the 3 point arc.
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Post#2135 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:03 am

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Guano wrote:What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.

Zion is a joke. You don’t want guys on your team who lack motivation. He doesn’t care about basketball. He got his bag. He’ll be out of the league within 5 years. Or he’ll have an Oliver Miller journeyman career.

Something about him says Andrew Bynum, but worse.
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Post#2136 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:06 am

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these Zion efforts are lower than what randle gives. like, a lot lower.

some of Randle's effort plays on defense are a lot of fake hustle plays where hes late but he still puts in the bare minimum. these plays by Zion are far far below what randle does.

Great post.
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Post#2137 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:10 am

What have they done to Derick White’s shooting and why didn’t anyone tell me?
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Post#2138 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Dec 9, 2023 8:16 am

The Warriors are a fascinating case. They need to get Green out of the PF spot. They need an upgrade. His passing is top level, he needs to be their center though. Looney is nice and a keeper, but they shouldn’t be on the floor together. Where do they get the upgrade? Randle would be a fit, Lavine too. They have moody and Kuminga to offer, I’d assume there must be a pick they can trade down the road.

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Randle
Green


or

Curry
Lavine
Klay
Wiggins
Green/Looney


That looks a lot better. Randle would finally play second fiddle to someone who wouldn’t put up with his ****. I’d assume he would also listen to what Green had to say about uninspired play. They’ve also still got Saric to play a little bigger and move Wiggins and Klay to their more natural positions in the other scenario for stretches. They can’t keep getting outpaced though, they’re the Warriors. Between Looney and Green there’s literally not enough space to operate.
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Post#2139 » by HopelessKnick » Sat Dec 9, 2023 9:10 am

spree2kawhi wrote:The Warriors are a fascinating case. They need to get Green out of the PF spot. They need an upgrade. His passing is top level, he needs to be their center though. Looney is nice and a keeper, but they shouldn’t be on the floor together. Where do they get the upgrade? Randle would be a fit, Lavine too. They have moody and Kuminga to offer, I’d assume there must be a pick they can trade down the road.

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Randle
Green


or

Curry
Lavine
Klay
Wiggins
Green/Looney


That looks a lot better. Randle would finally play second fiddle to someone who wouldn’t put up with his ****. I’d assume he would also listen to what Green had to say about uninspired play. They’ve also still got Saric to play a little bigger and move Wiggins and Klay to their more natural positions in the other scenario for stretches. They can’t keep getting outpaced though, they’re the Warriors. Between Looney and Green there’s literally not enough space to operate.


Generally sound idea from GS perspective but what is in it for NY? Kuminga and a pick is a pretty modest return for Randle (and that coming from someone who is very open to trading Randle).
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Post#2140 » by HopelessKnick » Sat Dec 9, 2023 9:11 am

You really really really have to give it up for OKC. I completely envy their team...they have literally drafted another bunch of very very good players...damn: Giddey,Dort,Williams,Joe and the trade for SGA. Brilliant, just brilliant.

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